Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
I don't mean to argue but.. How is a departure from JFK at midnight good for connections? And on the way back, if you want to connect internationally, arriving at 1620 is cutting it a little close for having to go through customs and immigration and then connecting to the first bank of int'l flights (about 1630 - 1830)
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24894 posts, RR: 60 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1): I don't mean to argue but.. How is a departure from JFK at midnight good for connections?
Well looking at FRA DUB CDG LAX etc... you have long stop overs but Id just use it as an excuse to head downtown!!! On the Dublin one you land at 1145 and depart at 0030 your bags get thru checked and just clear customs. So with hand baggage only you could easily go in to New York for a bit of shopping. Certainly appeals to me . Alot Guyanese from Europe would love that before heading back to Guyana. Perfect for me !!!
On the return it meets most connections easily. I just checked and it makes most major TA flights. I will use it next time for sure .
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Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2872 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 2): Well looking at FRA DUB CDG LAX etc... you have long stop overs but Id just use it as an excuse to head downtown!!! On the Dublin one you land at 1145 and depart at 0030 your bags get thru checked and just clear customs. So with hand baggage only you could easily go in to New York for a bit of shopping. Certainly appeals to me . Alot Guyanese from Europe would love that before heading back to Guyana. Perfect for me !!!
True, if I find myself with long connections I'll usually make a daytrip into the city as well.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24894 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2761 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 5): True, if I find myself with long connections I'll usually make a daytrip into the city as well.
You will of course get people that hate those connections but to be honest there isnt much choice !!! For me I just see it as a bonus to hit Bloomingdales LOL....
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RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3014 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
This flight isn't exactly geared to the European market - it's geared towards O&D traffic between JFK and Guyana. That fact, along with the fact that there's not any real competition, should make the times work ok. Euro connections are possible, as are connections to the West Coast...
AirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2442 times:
Not sure DL had long haul connections in mind when they put out this schedule. Its very much like the NAA and BW flight schedules which departed around midnight from JFK, with early arrivals in GEO and a mid afternoon return back to JFK. Due to the crime situation in Guyana, most folks don't like to be out on the roads at night, so this schedule fits pretty well. The late departure from JFK also allows for all domestic and European connections and mid afternoon return allows for ample connection times to U.S. domestic and most Western European destination. Just an FYI, only a handful of Western European travellers (mostly from London) actually transit JFK on the way to GEO. Most usually fly into either BGI or POS and connect from there. At the end of the day, the airplane will still be filled with about 80% O&D traffic.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2421 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 9): LOL.... very true !!! Welcome to Guyana
And I hope junior crews enjoy operating the route almost as much as they do LOS!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12): The midnight special to Guyana. This has to be the first Us airline to aerve Guyana in 40 years.
Not at all. North American Airlines flies to GEO right now, and has for a while, although service will end in a few months.
It also looks like American Airlines will be playing copy cat. They've already started talking with GEO airport officials (5w 738 to MIA) shortly following Delta's announcement of service and North American's announcement that they are pulling out.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10189 posts, RR: 62 Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2254 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13): It also looks like American Airlines will be playing copy cat.
767driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2234 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13): Not at all. North American Airlines flies to GEO right now, and has for a while, although service will end in a few months.
Technically it won't end. We just signed a contract to operate on behalf of Travelspan to GEO and POS from JFK starting June 4th.
I don't think Guyanese ethnic travelers really care, the only place they would probably connect is YYZ-and that's if they suddenly didn't have a non-stop flight. Nonetheless good news for a place that has had it's reputations stymied by Jim Jones.
Quoting A318 (Reply 3): Which airport does GEO stand for?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2211 times:
Quoting 767driver (Reply 15): Technically it won't end. We just signed a contract to operate on behalf of Travelspan to GEO and POS from JFK starting June 4th.
767driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
That is correct. I misspoke earlier, it actually begins June 24th. The company email did not say the frequency though. I'm not sure if it's just a weekend thing similar to our club med charters or something more
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2158 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 14): That's the role AA seems to play best lately.
Where have they been playing copycat in Africa, Europe, and the Middle East? (three areas where US airlines are currently expanding)
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2142 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 19): Where have they been playing copycat in Africa, Europe, and the Middle East? (three areas where US airlines are currently expanding)
American has added four airports in Europe - Barcelona, Milan, Moscow, and Stansted - between last October and this June. Also, stating that Africa and the Middle East are areas where U.S. airlines are currently expanding is quite an exaggeration. Delta does not represent all U.S. airlines, and outside of United's service to Kuwait City, it is the only one expanding there.
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2093 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20): American has added four airports in Europe - Barcelona, Milan, Moscow, and Stansted
How is that playing copycat? Other airlines have been in these places for years. These are not new markets that AA is playing copycat in.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20): Delta does not represent all U.S. airlines, and outside of United's service to Kuwait City, it is the only one expanding there.
I'm pretty sure many airlines have looked into Africa. Hell, even Continetal was denied into LOS. Even you yourself has said that US airlines will expand into Africa in just a few years. You've even stated how likely a MIA-JNB service is on AA. As for the Middle East, don't forget about CO's seemingly very profitable EWR-TLV and DL's expansion into CAI, AMM, and further expansion into TLV.
It is also important to note that you stated AA has been playing copycat lately in this thread. This thread is about DL's expansion into Georgetown. Therefore, I focused on some places where DL has been expanding to see if AA has been playing copycat there.
[Edited 2008-03-01 17:36:49]
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 21): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
American has added four airports in Europe - Barcelona, Milan, Moscow, and Stansted
How is that playing copycat? Other airlines have been in these places for years. These are not new markets that AA is playing copycat in.
JFK-LGB after JetBlue
JFK-OAK after JetBlue
JFK-ONT after JetBlue (never launched)
MIA-GSO after Delta Connection
MIA-ORF after Delta Connection
MIA-SDF after Delta Connection
MIA-LIR after Delta, US Airways enter LIR
JFK-STN after Maxjet, Eos
MIA-UVF after Delta announced ATL-UVF
FLL-SJO/SDQ after Spirit
Entering MXP a year after US does.
Entering BCN a year after CO/US did.
MIA-BAQ after Spirit applied for the route (NK hasn't started it, but AA wouldn't have launched BAQ again if Spirit didn't bother).
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