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Delta Has No Plans To Place Orders For 787s  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6714 posts, RR: 78
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

Interesting article in the Seattle PI - according to Delta President Edward Bastian the company doesn't have any plans to place orders for 787 Dreamliners.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/353329_delta01.html

"Although Bastian said there had been no change in the company's plans, his statement contradicted earlier comments by Delta officials -- including former Chief Operating Officer Jim Whitehurst -- that the company could order as many as 125 Dreamliners."


PH


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User currently offlineW3ndytj4n From Indonesia, joined Feb 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

This is bad. I would love to see 787 Dreamliner on Delta livery...

w3ndy



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

So much for those convinced that Boeing has reserved spots on the line for DL, in anticipation of an order.....

DL will clearly wait and see how the merger scenarios work out before making any orders.



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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9300 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 2):
DL will clearly wait and see how the merger scenarios work out before making any orders

In regards to Delta's merger scenarios, they disbanded the outside advisors it had hired to guide it through a merger. FWIW.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9293 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 2):
DL will clearly wait and see how the merger scenarios work out before making any orders.

We (Delta) have two choices in terms of fleet renewal. We can either (a) invest in our current fleet, or (b) order a bulk of new aircraft (i.e. the 787). All signs point to us investing in our current fleet (winglets going on 767-300ERs, extensive cabin modifications/upgrades in work and upcoming, various avionics updates [i.e. PIP-to-Pegasus FMCs], the possibility of exercising 767-400 options, etc.).

It could very well be that in 15 years the Delta 757 and 767-300 fleets will what the NW DC-10s were of the early 2000's - paid for, well used, versatile, and worth every penny invested in them.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9185 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Interesting article in the Seattle PI - according to Delta President Edward Bastian the company doesn't have any plans to place orders for 787 Dreamliners.

Of course not, they're buying A350's  Big grin  Wink  duck 

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 4):
paid for, well used, versatile, and worth every penny invested in them.

Don't forget, old, tired, uncompetitive, high maintenence and (relative) fuel guzzlers compared to all those competitor's shiny new 787's and a350's. When the price of oil went up NW was quick to replace the DC10 with a330's. IMHO not a good move for DL, expecially since NW, CO and US will be flying new aircraft, not to mention other overseas competitors.

OTOH, maybe what he meant was that NW will order 125 787's and DL won't, because they won't exist after the merger  duck  Big grin

And yes, I know the DL name will probably the surviving name.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9121 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Don't forget, old, tired, uncompetitive, high maintenence and (relative) fuel guzzlers compared to all those competitor's shiny new 787's and a350's. When the price of oil went up NW was quick to replace the DC10 with a330's. IMHO not a good move for DL, expecially since NW, CO and US will be flying new aircraft, not to mention other overseas competitors.

Wait just a minute. New planes aren't free.

They will have financing payments on all their "shiny new" aircraft. Delta will not as most of the 757/767 fleet is paid for. NW's DC-10 retirement was not directly correlated with the recent surge in the cost of fuel (which has doubled only in the last year; NW had plans to retire their DC-10s long before the price of oil shot up (started with the DC-10-40s, ended with the -30s).

The 757 and 767 will continue to be modernized as the years go by. Another upgrade to the type that is being considered by Delta (and other carriers) will be the IS&S flight deck upgrade which replaces the current cockpit layout with large format displays (similar to that of the 767-400).

I'd also kindly remind you that Continental flies nearly brand-new old, tired, uncompetitive, high maintenence and (relative) fuel guzzling 767-200ERs as well.

Anyway, just a few things to think about. Will we ever see a 787 in Delta colors? Absolutely. In 10 years? Absolutely. In five years? Doubtful.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
And yes, I know the DL name will probably the surviving name.

Probably? No. In the event of a merger, the Delta name will survive.

[Edited 2008-03-01 04:01:59]

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9047 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
Wait just a minute. New planes aren't free.

I know...

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
Delta will not as most of the 757/767 fleet is paid for. NW's DC-10 retirement was not directly correlated with the recent surge in the cost of fuel (which has doubled only in the last year; NW had plans to retire their DC-10s long before the price of oil shot up (started with the DC-10-40s, ended with the -30s).

Absolutely true. But they did accellerate the retirement of the remaining DC10's due to the rising fuel costs.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
The 757 and 767 will continue to be modernized as the years go by. Another upgrade to the type that is being considered by Delta (and other carriers) will be the IS&S flight deck upgrade which replaces the current cockpit layout with large format displays (similar to that of the 767-400).

Well, a flight deck upgrade does not improve fuel efficiency. I do agree the installation of winglets will help. What DL for REALLY needs to do is install the Boeing signature interior in the 767's. The current interior looks very 80's. I just flew on one of DL's 763's (N1200K), and while the aircraft itself is not that old (9 years), it looks REALLY dated on the inside. Also, if DL wants to receive their first 787 in 10 years, they better start ordering, or else the order book will be sold out beyond that point.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
I'd also kindly remind you that Continental flies nearly brand-new old, tired, uncompetitive, high maintenence and (relative) fuel guzzling 767-200ERs as well.

Not sure what that has to do with DL not ordering the 787, but don't forget that the 762's were bought under very different market conditions. Pre 9/11 and before the oil price explosion. Under current conditions, IMHO CO would have bought 763's, or more 764's. Furthermore, CO HAS ordered the 787, which IMHO supports my argument if anything.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
Anyway, just a few things to think about. Will we ever see a 787 in Delta colors? Absolutely. In 10 years? Absolutely. In five years? Doubtful.

Or they could go for the a350. After the US KC-30 selection, anything can happen in this world  Big grin  Wink



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9041 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 7):
What DL for REALLY needs to do is install the Boeing signature interior in the 767's. The current interior looks very 80's. I just flew on one of DL's 763's (N1200K), and while the aircraft itself is not that old (9 years), it looks REALLY dated on the inside. Also, if DL wants to receive their first 787 in 10 years, they better start ordering, or else the order book will be sold out beyond that point.

And installing a Boeing signature interior doesn't improve fuel efficiency, either.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8896 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 7):
Well, a flight deck upgrade does not improve fuel efficiency. I do agree the installation of winglets will help. What DL for REALLY needs to do is install the Boeing signature interior in the 767's. The current interior looks very 80's. I just flew on one of DL's 763's (N1200K), and while the aircraft itself is not that old (9 years), it looks REALLY dated on the inside.

How will installing new overhead bins help improve the fuel efficiency?

What people forget is that the 787 and 350 are longer range aircraft than the 767 and to an extent the 330, the gains over the atlantic are not as great as those over the pacific. NW and CO will use these aircraft on long range missions to the middle east and Asia, at least initially. DL's aircraft of choice for this mission is the 777-200LR. Both CO and NW have stated the 787 will be used to Asia, the 767 is not used to asia.

DL is going to be flying 767 against 767 (CO) and 330 (NW) over the atlantic for the foreseeable future. No American carrier has purchased the 787 with the stated intent of replacing 767, so the point of fuel prices, efficiency, etc is moot. Indeed Aer Lingus has ordered 333 for its transatlantic operation (and possibly to the middle east) and a batch of 350s as well, which are intended for routes to Asia.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8807 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Don't forget, old, tired, uncompetitive,

That's completely irrelevant if Delta plans on doing interior upgrades to these birds. As stated, they are.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
Probably? No. In the event of a merger, the Delta name will survive.

 checkmark  Delta has proved that they want to be on top in the event of a merger and will do what's best for the interest of their employees. They proved that by the recent failure to reach a deal with NW.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 9):

True. If Delta wants a similar aircraft to the 787's in terms of range and moderness, they should simply bulk up on 77L orders, which it looks like they are trying to do.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8750 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Don't forget, old, tired, uncompetitive, high maintenence and (relative) fuel guzzlers compared to all those competitor's shiny new 787's and a350's.

And another thing...if your analysis is correct, the folks down in Chile at LAN in fleet planning must be completely inept in their jobs. They continue to take delivery of 767-300ERs.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8407 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):

Yeah, and when the gas prices went up NW all replaced the DC-9 with the ....oh wait they still fly the DC-9. I think DL is showing that with even higher gas prices, if your not paying for a sizable amount of planes it balance out a little with the higher gas prices.

NW was in a different boat because they had the A330 coming into the fleet. DL has nothing really on order and this would be a new purchase.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

I think it is bad...DL will find it increasingly hard to compete with airlines that fly a much more fuel efficient 787.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8349 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 13):
I think it is bad...DL will find it increasingly hard to compete with airlines that fly a much more fuel efficient 787.

Interesting premise, considering there isn't a carrier flying a "much more fuel efficient" 787 yet. Care to elaborate, sonny boy?


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8348 times:

Just because he is saying "at the moment' I still say the delivery slots are in place, but the order won't come soon.
I honestly don't know the finalized specs for 787-10 but I feel 789 is too small for DL.
Is there anyway someone with more knowledge than me(makes most of you guys) compare 787-10 to 772L?
IIRC 777L has a very high acquisition cost probably higher than the 787-10 am I correct?
How do these 2 aircraft compare?
Thanks for the replies



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8335 times:



Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 15):
Just because he is saying "at the moment' I still say the delivery slots are in place, but the order won't come soon.
I honestly don't know the finalized specs for 787-10 but I feel 789 is too small for DL.
Is there anyway someone with more knowledge than me(makes most of you guys) compare 787-10 to 772L?
IIRC 777L has a very high acquisition cost probably higher than the 787-10 am I correct?
How do these 2 aircraft compare?
Thanks for the replies

The 777-200LR can haul much, much more cargo than the 787. This is especially important on the longer-range flights.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8295 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 11):
Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Don't forget, old, tired, uncompetitive, high maintenence and (relative) fuel guzzlers compared to all those competitor's shiny new 787's and a350's.

And another thing...if your analysis is correct, the folks down in Chile at LAN in fleet planning must be completely inept in their jobs. They continue to take delivery of 767-300ERs.

LAN Chile also have 26 787s on order!

As for the 767, well even the USAF doesn'y want it anymore Big grin



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8265 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 4):
It could very well be that in 15 years the Delta 757 and 767-300 fleets will what the NW DC-10s were of the early 2000's - paid for, well used, versatile, and worth every penny invested in them.

With Oil remaining at such high level I don't see how they could justify continuing without a major fleet renewal, for instance CO in their latest press release regarding their most recent order states the 737NG/800 offers a 50% fuel savings vs competitors DC-9s and a 30% fuel savings vs competitors M80/M88s. The 787 offers between a 20% and 30% fuel savings vs the 767, it seems only logical to try to achieve as much fuel efficiency as soon as possible.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8225 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):

With Oil remaining at such high level I don't see how they could justify continuing without a major fleet renewal, for instance CO in their latest press release regarding their most recent order states the 737NG/800 offers a 50% fuel savings vs competitors DC-9s and a 30% fuel savings vs competitors M80/M88s. The 787 offers between a 20% and 30% fuel savings vs the 767, it seems only logical to try to achieve as much fuel efficiency as soon as possible.

AA and DL are in the same boat here. Both carriers have a similar fleet (less engine type) in terms of mission utilization. Both carriers may hold out until the Y1 and Y3 become realities prior to any major fleet changes.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8214 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
And installing a Boeing signature interior doesn't improve fuel efficiency, either.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 9):
How will installing new overhead bins help improve the fuel efficiency?



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 10):
That's completely irrelevant if Delta plans on doing interior upgrades to these birds. As stated, they are.

That is actually what I meant. The fuel efficiency can be improved with the winglets as I said in the same post. Interior upgrades are needed as the aircraft look aged on the inside, when in fact, they aren't.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
Yeah, and when the gas prices went up NW all replaced the DC-9 with the ....oh wait they still fly the DC-9

Totally different situation. The higher price of oil hits much harder on long haul flights.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
NW was in a different boat because they had the A330 coming into the fleet. DL has nothing really on order and this would be a new purchase.

True, NW already had the a330's on order. And again, that is my point. NW had the luck or foresight to have a more fuel efficient plane on order when it was needed, so they could dispose of the DC10 fleet more quickly when needed. Of course, I don't know WHY DL is waiting to order. Maybe they are negotiating, maybe they have trouble securing finances, maybe they are too busy at the moment with merger talks. I'm just saying, they should not wait too long to order.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 11):
And another thing...if your analysis is correct, the folks down in Chile at LAN in fleet planning must be completely inept in their jobs. They continue to take delivery of 767-300ERs.

No need to roll your eyes at me. As mentioned by AirbusA6, LAN also has the 787 on order.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 17):
LAN Chile also have 26 787s on order!




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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8175 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 20):
True, NW already had the a330's on order. And again, that is my point. NW had the luck or foresight to have a more fuel efficient plane on order when it was needed, so they could dispose of the DC10 fleet more quickly when needed. Of course, I don't know WHY DL is waiting to order. Maybe they are negotiating, maybe they have trouble securing finances, maybe they are too busy at the moment with merger talks. I'm just saying, they should not wait too long to order.

Or, perhaps, they're waiting on Boeing to prove the financial viability of the aircraft? Fuel savings isn't the only thing airlines consider in fleet renewal projects.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6444 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8141 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 20):
Totally different situation. The higher price of oil hits much harder on long haul flights.

Please explain. A gallon of fuel costs the same, long haul or short haul. Just like your car an aircraft burns more fuel(MPG) on short trips vs long haul.


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Loooking at 1000 orders before EIS, and the apparent Boeing resistance to a second line, DL may live to regret such a sweeping deecision sooner than later.  Smile


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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8095 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 23):
Loooking at 1000 orders before EIS, and the apparent Boeing resistance to a second line, DL may live to regret such a sweeping deecision sooner than later.

And yet, AA and DL, perhaps Boeing's two most important potential 787 customers, both have not yet ordered the type. Certainly there is a reason why...


25 Post contains images MCIGuy : True, but I think the deal with AA is that their priority is on narrow body fleet renewal right now, pretty much like it should be.
26 Ikramerica : You really hate Boeing that much? I mean, this statement contradicts other statements from Delta. At most it is confusing, but you read it as proof p
27 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : Bet ya $100.00 you would never see it in the CURRENT livery anyway..
28 Zone1 : And I bet Boeing is going to make one more last ditch attempt to get those options exercised pretty soon with the tanker news.
29 PlanesNTrains : Well, if the DL+NW does happen, they will then have their 787 order. If not, then perhaps a wait-and-see attitude is prudent, given the merger mania e
30 ConcordeBoy : ...which they'll be paying millions upon millions for month therefore ...anecdotally at best. CO was in desperate need of widebody eqp, and could not
31 SparkingWave : If oil should rise to $200 a barrel, I'd love to see just how well Delta sticks to its guns and not order new more fuel efficient planes.
32 Sxf24 : Yeah, they can't afford to justify buying it. Both DL and AA have a handful of existing routes where the 787 has a clear benefit over the 777 or 767.
33 AirbusA6 : They're broke?
34 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I'd imagine there'd be bigger problems at that point. When gasoline is $7-$8 a gallon, we won't be able to afford to drive to the airport. -Dave
35 ConcordeBoy : ...if oil should rise to that amount, you'd have a lot more to worry about than what DL's doing. That said, they'd actually have something of an adva
36 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : ABX had the mod done on the 762's the got from Delta. I would have never thought... 30% fuel savings is fine and dandy. I still say that they can sti
37 MCOAviationFan : From what I understand, fuel costs impact short haul flights more than long haul flights. The stages of flight when fuel burn is highest are takeoff,
38 Bmacleod : Right now DL has more serious issues such as trying to close the merger with NW than ordering new aircraft. The 787 itself isn't cruising along either
39 0NEWAIR0 : Maybe they have no intention on purchasing any 787s because they are/were intending on taking all of NWA's? ...just a thought
40 STT757 : Where did you hear that? The last I read was from DL's CEO that they were considering a modernization of existing space and some modest expansion (ne
41 Post contains images Rwy04LGA : The first 787s to be delivered to NW will be in DL colors!
42 EXAAUADL : my elaboration is that in the year 2015 DL will have 767s going against OA's 787s that burn 20% less fuel. Thus OA can set fares where DL cant make a
43 Post contains images COalways : Guess u really havent been paying attention to the news, there isnt going to be any merger! thank goodness so the only 787 your going to be seeing ar
44 ConcordeBoy : ...well, since "precedent" most apparently isn't the answer, do tell: you base either speculative assessment on ____?
45 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Even good old Hugo Chavez would be in his CCS office crapping his pants wondering what genie he had unleashed if it ever got that high! That said, SL
46 Jetlanta : Let's just say that this 767-300 vs. 787 economics story isn't over yet. The 787 will not achieve that sort of economic advantage over the 767-300, p
47 Bobnwa : I would say that UA is just as important. Gas is $7-$8 a gallon in Europe now, and they drive to the airport. The airlines with the 787's will just m
48 PlanesNTrains : You ignored the smiley, but that's up to you. I certainly was trying to be light. -Dave
49 Post contains images SXDFC : I never knew Olympic Airlines has the 787 on order! I must have missed something
50 Post contains links Glideslope : Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 47): Gas is $7-$8 a gallon in Europe now, and they drive to the airport. ....but they don't have the issues with Urban Sprawl th
51 EWRCabincrew : While not non-stop from mainland North America, CO uses the 764 to Japan from its hub in GUM. We also (ending in March) have our HNL-NGO service on t
52 MCOAviationFan : This was a comment made by Mr. Bastian last fall indicating that the cost of upgrading facilities at JFK was upwards to $2 billion. I'm not sure if I
53 AADC10 : That is certainly not true. Boeing's claim is that the 787 will offer 20% better "economics" than the 767-200. The actual fuel saving will be 10-15%
54 EBJ1248650 : Has anyone considered the possibility Delta "might" be looking at Airbus as the provider of new airframes? I can hear a lot of "not likely" comments,
55 Kappel : I may be wrong in this of course, but as I understand it, it's the other way around. Fuel savings are more pronounced on long haul flights, as the en
56 Ikramerica : They ordered more 777s instead, since the lead time is about the same for the 767 and 777. Since committing to the 787, CO has also done the same for
57 RedFlyer : I was one of those. Perhaps with such strident public comments we can assume DL gave up those "reserved" slots long ago? Or, if they wait long enough
58 SLCUT2777 : DL has already unloaded their entire fleet of 762s towards the end of 2006 along with all their 732 and 733s. That said, the 787 isn't the magic fina
59 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : not this crap again!!! they did order the 763......and DL has one of them a new airplane cost alot more than them putting Grade A into a MD-88 as did
60 SLCUT2777 : I just wonder when CO will join DL and AC with getting the 772LR. As I understand it, the additional ones they ordered are for the 772ER. the EWR-BOM
61 SLCUT2777 : As well as the MD-90. Through the Ron Allen era DL still went MDD preferably first. I think DL is more of a Boeing first shop now, which is why I hig
62 Flighty : I'd say NW was very slow to replace its DC-10s. Almost the slowest in the world. And they paid a price for it at the end. DL's 763ERs, in good condit
63 Floridaflyboy : Actually, ABX is the vendor and contractor for that system. They perform the mods on their own aircraft as well as other company's aircraft.
64 Lexy : At Delta, the 767 will basically become what the DC-9 is to Northwest. We will see those things flying for thirty or forty more years while everyone e
65 Flynavy : I don't know about 30 for 40 MORE years. Needless to say they will be well used by DL when it is all said and done. They're both still very capable a
66 Lexy : I agree. They are well taken care of and are very capable.
67 WESTERN737800 : DL should stick w/ the 777LR. The worst thing they should do is add a new type too soon and possibly be disappointed with the results. The 763s are go
68 ConcordeBoy : ...and quite possibly spend more as well. Sure, but then again, look at it from a macro scale: DL still shares a unique relationship with Boeing, as
69 Rampart : I remember reading about this as well, maybe in AW&ST. There have been plans for a midfield concourse, larger or smaller depending on the proposal, f
70 DeltaL1011man : The 90s do better on short hall SLC summer runs better than the 738s...........I still think we will see more MD-90s in Delta fleet soon.
71 Post contains images Kappel : True. Agreed, they likely can already see the results of the "squeeze" as you put it, in their pax numbers. That could definitely be a reason for pos
72 FlyASAGuy2005 : Apparently you haven't been reading between the lines in the "news". No where did they (Delta) ever say they were not going to merge with NW.
73 Post contains images BrianDromey : No, I dont hate Boeing, far from it. The point I was making is that many posters felt DL had already reserved slots on the production line, even thou
74 STT757 : The fact that Delta Airlines is a distant 4th in the NYC Market compared to #1 CO, AA, B6. DL's main NYC operation is at a soon to be slot controlled
75 DeltaL1011man : Air Force and I would hardly call this one over alot of pissed of Americans on this one and some up in Washington aren't to happy. I will wait till t
76 STT757 : There are no slots at EWR, never have been.[Edited 2008-03-02 09:15:36]
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737: No Plans To Replace It Anytime Soon posted Mon Aug 1 2005 23:46:44 by Beauing
United-IAM "No Plans To Strike" posted Wed May 11 2005 20:07:52 by Laxintl
AF/KLM CEO: No Plans To Raise AZ Stake posted Sat Apr 23 2005 08:38:41 by Scotron11
ATR: No Plans To Develop RJ Family (Interview) posted Sun Jun 6 2004 03:07:43 by Teahan
Gulf Air Has No Plan To Reduce Flights To Pakistan posted Sun Sep 30 2001 22:02:48 by GF-A330
RE:Delta In No Danger(to Stu) posted Wed Apr 7 1999 23:06:37 by SW 737-700
Qatar Has No Plans To Exit Gulf Air Stake posted Thu Nov 22 2001 23:44:58 by GF-A330
Air China: No Plans To Order Airbus A380 posted Thu Oct 18 2007 09:22:55 by NYC777
737: No Plans To Replace It Anytime Soon posted Mon Aug 1 2005 23:46:44 by Beauing
United-IAM "No Plans To Strike" posted Wed May 11 2005 20:07:52 by Laxintl
NWA Like SC, Commited To 747, No Plans For A380 posted Fri Aug 3 2001 16:43:12 by Sm92
AF/KLM CEO: No Plans To Raise AZ Stake posted Sat Apr 23 2005 08:38:41 by Scotron11
ATR: No Plans To Develop RJ Family (Interview) posted Sun Jun 6 2004 03:07:43 by Teahan
Gulf Air Has No Plan To Reduce Flights To Pakistan posted Sun Sep 30 2001 22:02:48 by GF-A330
RE:Delta In No Danger(to Stu) posted Wed Apr 7 1999 23:06:37 by SW 737-700
NWA Like SC, Commited To 747, No Plans For A380 posted Fri Aug 3 2001 16:43:12 by Sm92