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User currently offlineRetroLivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Hey Everyone-

Just wondering if anything had changed in the field of airlines plying the skies between the US and Europe on 5th Freedom rights- it's always interesting to sample foreign carriers on such routes, having a new thread about it could be useful to some.

The ones I already am certain of are:

AI (LAX/ORD/EWR/JFK-FRA/CDG/LHR)
9W (EWR/JFK-BRU)
KU (JFK-LHR) not 100% positive on this one
SQ (JFK/IAH-FRA/DME)
TN (LAX-CDG)
NZ (LAX-LHR)
QR (EWR-GVA)

any others out there?


A3, AA, AC, AI, AK, AM, AP, AZ, B6, BA, CO, DL, EK, EY, FL, FI, FR, KL, KM, LH, MA, MH, MS, OA, OK, OS, SR, TA, TG, U2,
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33025 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Martinair Holland on MIA-SJO and Air France on MIA-PAP-SXM-PTP / MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY

[Edited 2008-03-01 16:54:34]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4449 times:



Quoting RetroLivery (Thread starter):
any others out there?

EK HAM-JFK (ends March 29)
HY RIX-JFK (Uzbekistan Airways, once a week, 767-300ER)


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4437 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Martinair Holland on MIA-SJO and Air France on MIA-PAP-SXM-PTP / MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY

I expect the original poster was mainly interested in Transatlantic 5th freedom services since he referred to US-Europe. The AF services you mention actually aren't even related to US-Europe. AF can operate that route since PTP/FDF/CAY are French overseas departments.

Re the Martinair service you mention, aren't those flights actually operated by TACA for Martinair?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33025 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4426 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):

I expect the original poster was mainly interested in Transatlantic 5th freedom services since he referred to US-Europe.

My error, correct.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
AF can operate that route since PTP/FDF/CAY are French overseas departments.

Haiti is an independent country, and, thus, Air France needs to excercise 5th freedom to carry MIA-PAP traffic, which they do.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):

Re the Martinair service you mention, aren't those flights actually operated by TACA for Martinair?

They are operated by a LACSA plane wet-leased to Martinair Holland in full Martinair colors. Pilots are LACSA, but I think flight attendants are Martinair.



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User currently offlineRetroLivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Oh, I forgot as well: MH EWR-ARN


A3, AA, AC, AI, AK, AM, AP, AZ, B6, BA, CO, DL, EK, EY, FL, FI, FR, KL, KM, LH, MA, MH, MS, OA, OK, OS, SR, TA, TG, U2,
User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Does Pakistan International Airways still operate fifth freedom transatlantic out of MAN to JFK, ORD and IAH?

User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Also... PK MAN-JFK

[filler]


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4228 times:



Quoting RetroLivery (Thread starter):
TN (LAX-CDG)

That's not a fifth freedom flight.

That is a flight by a French carrier between the USA and France.

French Polynesian aircraft have the prefix F- and all French Polynesians are French citizens.


User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4023 times:

EK: JFK-HAM
NZ: LAX-LHR
9W: JFK-BRU, EWR-BRU
MH: EWR-ARN
AI: JFK-LHR, ORD-LHR, EWR-CDG, ORD-FRA, LAX-FRA
ET: IAD-FCO
HY: JFK-RIX
KU: JFK-LHR
QR: EWR-GVA
SQ: JFK-FRA, IAH-DME

I think that should be all of them!


User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3838 times:



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 9):
EK: JFK-HAM
NZ: LAX-LHR
9W: JFK-BRU, EWR-BRU
MH: EWR-ARN
AI: JFK-LHR, ORD-LHR, EWR-CDG, ORD-FRA, LAX-FRA
ET: IAD-FCO
HY: JFK-RIX
KU: JFK-LHR
QR: EWR-GVA
SQ: JFK-FRA, IAH-DME



Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 7):
Also... PK MAN-JFK



User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

CX JFK-YVR.

Kinghunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3648 times:



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
CX JFK-YVR.

I don't think that qualifies as US-Europe (the original poster's question).  Smile


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3542 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
They are operated by a LACSA plane wet-leased to Martinair Holland in full Martinair colors. Pilots are LACSA, but I think flight attendants are Martinair.

Almost correct, the FA's are also Lacsa.

By the way, this service will end on May 1st when MP starts a codesharedeal to SJO with AA.


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