Yazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4705 times:
Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1): Pier H is mainly used by low-cost carriers. The pier does not have any jetways and passengers board via stairs.
Considering the wonderful weather we are blessed with, all I have to say is: Well that sucks!
I'd like to know more about the proposed J-Pier though, when is the construction supposed to start?
LarSPL From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 466 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4705 times:
Quoting Yazoo (Thread starter):
It seems that the new Low Costs (M & H) Piers do not have jetways.. How do passengers board the planes then? is it through stairs?
have you seen star trek? they get beamed aboard! its really beautifull!
no.. ofcourse no airbridge = using stairs.
Quote: Speaking of New piers. Anyone has any news about the proposed J-Pier & the people-mover?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4597 times:
Quoting Yazoo (Reply 2): Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
Pier H is mainly used by low-cost carriers. The pier does not have any jetways and passengers board via stairs.
Considering the wonderful weather we are blessed with, all I have to say is: Well that sucks!
It's a short walk, and they usually have stairs at both the front and rear aircraft doors so it speeds up boarding and deplaning. My only flight involving those gates wasn't a low-cost carrier...it was a BA 737-400 from LGW several months ago.
MANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4557 times:
Quoting JRadier (Reply 4): M-ramp is at Schiphol East. Did I miss something
The H gates are the non-schengen departures and the M gates are the Schengen departures for airlines using that pier. Basically if you're on a Schengen flight you come down the corridor on the left and down the stairs to the waiting area for the gate, but if you are on a non-Schengen flight you come through security at the G gates then down the right hand side of the pier and down the same set of stairs. Basically just like the D pier has the lower non-Schengen departures and the upper level for Schengen.
Rivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 817 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4385 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5): My only flight involving those gates wasn't a low-cost carrier...it was a BA 737-400 from LGW several months ago.
Ha, ha, yes, I've noticed BA 737's parked over there amongst the no-frills carriers at the no-frills terminal, and thought it was a bit cheeky. I wonder if that is how BA thinks of its LGW Euro network...?!
It's also worth noting (for those that haven't been there yet) that the no-frills terminal is the furthest from the security entrance (landside to airside) - they make you pay, physically, for being tight-fisted with your ticket (as well as making you get wet in the inevitable pouring rain).
Frankly I'd rather pay a little bit more to be treated like a customer rather than like an inconvenience, but then travelling for me is about the pleasure (& the comfort) of the journey, rather than how quickly & cheaply I can get to my destination. Mind you, Terminal D at AMS is not much more fun than a train station ...
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4357 times:
Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 7): It's also worth noting (for those that haven't been there yet) that the no-frills terminal is the furthest from the security entrance (landside to airside) - they make you pay, physically, for being tight-fisted with your ticket (as well as making you get wet in the inevitable pouring rain).
From check-in area 3 at AMS I think those low-cost gates are actually a shorter walk than many other possible check-in to gate distances at AMS. The furthest gates in the B/C/D piers are also a long way from check-in areas 1 and 2. AMS is still a much better and more civilized airport in my opinion than any other major hub in Europe except for ZRH and MUC.
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4038 times:
Quoting Yazoo (Reply 2):
Considering the wonderful weather we are blessed with, all I have to say is: Well that sucks!
Personally, I think the lack of seats in the H-pier is a bigger "problem" than the lack of jetways. Having to stand for 30 minutes before boarding the aircraft is not necessarily the most relaxed way of traveling. However, the waiting rooms are still way better than those at LTN, for example.
Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 7): It's also worth noting (for those that haven't been there yet) that the no-frills terminal is the furthest from the security entrance (landside to airside)
I have the impression that it actually takes longer to get to some of the D-gates or the B-gates, than the H-gates. The Shengen/Non-Shengen split does add some walking distance, though. (In the first months, it was Non-Shengen only and had quicker access).
Are the BA flights to LGW regular to the H-pier, or only incidental? I've never seen them there, but then: I usually only see the H-pier in the morning around 08:00 and in the evening around 17:00, and then there are usually only easyJet, SkyEurope and FlyBE aircraft at the gate.
Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 7): Mind you, Terminal D at AMS is not much more fun than a train station ...
What is Terminal D in AMS? I don't think you mean the D-pier (as this is a normal, full-service pier). You mean the H/M-section?
Flyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3944 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 10): Are the BA flights to LGW regular to the H-pier, or only incidental?
It was only a try out for a selected period, now they are moved to the D-pier again.
Quoting Vasu (Reply 9): Do BA get reduced rate then? Or are they paying more to use the LoCo area than the LoCo airlines?
Airlines using the H-pier are not receivig any discount on the airport tarives, but getting shorter turn around instead.
The H-pier is located closer to the runways 18C and 18R, which are the main landing runways, than the B, C, D or E gates.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3915 times:
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 12): Just a quick question. Are the remote stands between Pier's D and E the ones being discussed?
No, the gates being discussed are what I think is called the G pier. You can see it clearly when you englarge the following photo.
If you start at far left and go counter-clockwise, the first area where you can see about 6 rows of smaller aircraf are the remote stands mainly used by KL CityHopper Fokker 50/70/100s (and a few other regional carriers using small aircraft). Then the piers with bridges are B and C (both Schengen), D (the one shaped like a fork), E, F, G and finally H. Gates at H pier (if that's what it's called) are the only ones at AMS (apart from the bus gates at far left) without bridges. You can see 4 aircraft parked side-by-side at the H pier, 3 of which look like EasyJet.
The remote stands you mention between the D and E piers (also visible in the photo) are only used for temporary parking/servicing when aircraft have several hours between flights. The aircraft are towed back to a terminal gate for departure. That's one big advantage in my opinion of AMS over several other major hubs in Europe, especially FRA and CDG, where many flights, not just shorthaul regional aircraft, park at remote gates requiring tedious bus trips to/from the terminal. I've never seen that done at AMS except for the KL CityHopper (and similar) flights, and I don't mind the bus service for those flights since the buses drop you close to customs and immigration and reduce walking distances.
(Corrected. Missed one pier in original posting. The last pier with bridges is G followed by the one under discussion without bridges which I think is H.)
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3905 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13): If you start at far left and go counter-clockwise, the first area where you can see about 6 rows of smaller aircraf are the remote stands mainly used by KL CityHopper Fokker 50/70/100s (and a few other regional carriers using small aircraft). Then the piers with bridges are B and C (both Schengen), D (the one shaped like a fork), E, F and finally G which are the only gates (apart from the bus gates) without bridges. You can see 4 aircraft parked side-by-side at the G pier, 3 of which look like EasyJet.
OK, I see now. Right behind G Pier. I'm familiar with Piers B-G, just didn't look behind Pier G. Thanks! Guess that kind of ruins the view when you're taking the moving sidewalks to the parkade now.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
The remote stands you mention between the D and E piers (also visible in the photo) are only used for temporary parking/servicing when aircraft have several hours between flights.
That's what I though, just wanted to double check.
Flyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13): The remote stands you mention between the D and E piers (also visible in the photo) are only used for temporary parking/servicing when aircraft have several hours between flights. The aircraft are towed back to a terminal gate for departure.
Those stands are also used for full turnaround, especially during peak times and passengers will be bussed to and from the busgates.
Rivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 817 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3562 times:
Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 11): Airlines using the H-pier are not receivig any discount on the airport tarives, but getting shorter turn around instead. The H-pier is located closer to the runways 18C and 18R, which are the main landing runways, than the B, C, D or E gates.
well, that's a mixed blessing, in reality, as I've noticed when take-offs are on runway 24, departures ex 'H' and 'G' stands can take up to 30 minutes or more to get there from scheduled push-back time.
And yes, by terminal 'D' I meant the D piers (I'm sure inside the airport it's called terminal D, but I could be mistaken, maybe they just call them 'Departues D'...).
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3556 times:
Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 17): And yes, by terminal 'D' I meant the D piers (I'm sure inside the airport it's called terminal D, but I could be mistaken, maybe they just call them 'Departues D'...).
No, I've never heard the individual piers at AMS called "terminals". I'm sure they would want to avoid that terminology since they've always made a point of promoting the fact that everything at AMS is in one terminal unlike most other major hubs in Europe. It is of course a rather long walk (with many moving sidewalks) between the most distant gates in the B pier and those in the G and H piers!
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
Speaking of jetways at AMS, are those long door-4 jetways used on any other aircraft besides KLM 747-400s?
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3392 times:
Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 17): And yes, by terminal 'D' I meant the D piers (I'm sure inside the airport it's called terminal D, but I could be mistaken, maybe they just call them 'Departues D'...).
It's never called Terminal D, neither is it called Departures D.
Landside, they have Departures 1, 2 and 3, and Arrivals 1, 2, 3 and 4. Airside, they do not refer to Terminal, Departures or Pier: just gates D, E, F, etc.
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