MetalInyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9126 times:
The sanctions are only travel sanctions against Mugabe and his close associates - they are no economic sanctions against Zim ala Iran.
I think the key to this deal is that financing comes with the aircraft - Air Zim doesnt have the money for new anything at the moment but possibly it is political to show the West the Zim can survive without them.
Air Zim currently flies two 767's but are only buying one Il-300 so I think it will be in addition to the 767. The 400's are for cargo operations which is a new area for Air Zim as they have not operated stand alone freighters before.
Money doesn't make you happy but I would rather cry in a BMW than on public transport.
Oly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6723 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9030 times:
Quoting MetalInyoni (Reply 4): The 400's are for cargo operations which is a new area for Air Zim as they have not operated stand alone freighters before.
What do they say... the only way to get rich running an airline is to start off very rich? And its not as if cargo isn't competitive. Has Zimbabwe got anything to export or the money to import anything? Or are the bigger planes needed just to fly in more banknotes.
MONEY that is being used to prop up President Robert Mugabe’s brutal regime, keep his military onside and win over voters in the run-up to Zimbabwe’s elections this month is being printed by a German company.
With inflation topping 100,000% and the highest value 10m Zimbabwe dollar note worth just 20p, heavily guarded planeloads of banknotes are flying into Harare almost every day to keep up with the demand.
Documents obtained by The Sunday Times show the Munich company Giesecke & Devrient (G&D) is receiving more than €500,000 (£382,000) a week for delivering bank notes at the astonishing rate of Z$170 trillion a week.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8257 times:
When the IL-96's arrive in Air Zimbabwe colors and actually start flying, then we can ask the question of "how did they pay/lease these planes?" Until then, it's just a "confirmation".
During the Cold War, someone like Mugabe would have cozied up to one of the two sides and played one off the other to obtain what he wanted. These days, it's about paying for what you get - no more Soviet giveaways (since they're no longer around!!), especially to dirt-poor horrifically-mismanaged countries with no real strategic value. Cash up front or forget it - so if the planes DO fly, then there's some money squirrelled away for the airline.
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I didn't mean IL-96-300 used by Chinese operators.
What I had in mind related to terms of lease when used Tupolev aircraft: TU-154M, TU-204/214.
And probably IL-86 in the past.
I perfectly remember flying on a Russian charter from DME to Sharm El Shekh on IL-86 with Chinese language instructions around the cabin. It was just returned to Russia after the lease.
Irobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5169 times:
That article definitely says:
"Information to hand shows that the Minister of Transport and Communication, Christopher Mushohwe, visited Russia earlier this month to place the deposit for three Ilyushin and Tupolev planes - one IL-96-400 P for passengers and two IL-96-400 M for cargo use."
I don't see any IL-96-300s in that article at all. And there's a mention of Tupolev but no orders...?
I'm willing to bet that in truth, these might be more reliable and cheaper to buy new/maintain than the Boeings. Plus, they're probably as/more fuel efficient. Looks like a nice move to me.
OwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 959 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4593 times:
Quoting MetalInyoni (Reply 20): reminds me of the old 707's. It looks really good although i think the Air Zim Livery would look much better on a polished metal surface ala American Airlines.
Maybe. But Air Zimbabwe first should get rid of the edgy livery striping which make their aircraft look stiff now. They'd better go for a smooth/swirly striping like that other African airline, Sudan Airways, for example or even more smoother and swirlier up to and including deleting the grey belly paint. When done all that, Air Zimbabwe's livery will look up-to-date and less 'loud' but colourfull enough:
Love it. Gorgeous aircraft. More people should invest Russian instead of ancient Boeing or Airbus (as much as I do enjoy the classic 742s and A300s). Like Transaero! Imagine an IL-96-300/400 in that scheme!