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Air Zimbabwe Confirms Ilyushin-96  
User currently offlineMetalInyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

It seems tha Air Zimbabwe has confirmed its decision to buy the Ilyushin 96 after all. (1 x 300, 2 x 400)

Personally i think they would be better off buying / leasing second hand 767's.

http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=18310


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User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Are they able to buy them second hand or have most countries put sanctions on Zimbabwe?

Maybe it's their only option.

Also, where do they get the money from? I thought they grounded all planes a few months back due to being bankrupt


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Wow! Good to see some more il96s! Would they replace the 767s?

User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

Rather than getting financing from the west, I guess Mugabe is expecting an embargo.

User currently offlineMetalInyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

The sanctions are only travel sanctions against Mugabe and his close associates - they are no economic sanctions against Zim ala Iran.

I think the key to this deal is that financing comes with the aircraft - Air Zim doesnt have the money for new anything at the moment but possibly it is political to show the West the Zim can survive without them.

Air Zim currently flies two 767's but are only buying one Il-300 so I think it will be in addition to the 767. The 400's are for cargo operations which is a new area for Air Zim as they have not operated stand alone freighters before.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8996 times:



Quoting MetalInyoni (Reply 4):
The 400's are for cargo operations which is a new area for Air Zim as they have not operated stand alone freighters before.

What do they say... the only way to get rich running an airline is to start off very rich? And its not as if cargo isn't competitive. Has Zimbabwe got anything to export or the money to import anything? Or are the bigger planes needed just to fly in more banknotes.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3466861.ece

MONEY that is being used to prop up President Robert Mugabe’s brutal regime, keep his military onside and win over voters in the run-up to Zimbabwe’s elections this month is being printed by a German company.

With inflation topping 100,000% and the highest value 10m Zimbabwe dollar note worth just 20p, heavily guarded planeloads of banknotes are flying into Harare almost every day to keep up with the demand.

Documents obtained by The Sunday Times show the Munich company Giesecke & Devrient (G&D) is receiving more than €500,000 (£382,000) a week for delivering bank notes at the astonishing rate of Z$170 trillion a week.



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User currently offlineMetalInyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

well as far as i know the main export using cargo planes were fresh flowers and Veg, now that a lot of this production has disappeared, it remains to be seen what the cargo planes will be used for.

And there are enough second hand cargo planes on the market to make pruchasing new ones pointless.



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8605 times:

I think it´s all politics, they want closer operations with Russia. I think the two cargo planes will be used in Congo-Kinshasa mainly.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

When the IL-96's arrive in Air Zimbabwe colors and actually start flying, then we can ask the question of "how did they pay/lease these planes?" Until then, it's just a "confirmation".

During the Cold War, someone like Mugabe would have cozied up to one of the two sides and played one off the other to obtain what he wanted. These days, it's about paying for what you get - no more Soviet giveaways (since they're no longer around!!), especially to dirt-poor horrifically-mismanaged countries with no real strategic value. Cash up front or forget it - so if the planes DO fly, then there's some money squirrelled away for the airline.



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User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8102 times:

Ilyushin-96-300 is a nice a/c. One of my favorites.

They can negotiate a good deal with VASO (abbreviation of IL-maker).

It can be delivered with various engines and cabin lay-out.

And almost certainly it will be a lease. They will be like China and Iran operators.

I don't know if it makes sense to keep one IL-96-300 in Africa. But reliability is great.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

Interesting. I am always glad to see more Russian types operating everywhere in the world. I wish they'd get to the US in small numbers, but alas...


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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7258 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 9):
They will be like China and Iran operators.

Oooh! I hadn't heard about this.

Tell me more about the Il-96 coming to China!


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6692 times:



Quoting Dalavia (Reply 11):
Tell me more about the Il-96 coming to China!

I didn't mean IL-96-300 used by Chinese operators.
What I had in mind related to terms of lease when used Tupolev aircraft: TU-154M, TU-204/214.
And probably IL-86 in the past.
I perfectly remember flying on a Russian charter from DME to Sharm El Shekh on IL-86 with Chinese language instructions around the cabin. It was just returned to Russia after the lease.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6676 times:
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Mugabe'd better buy some food for its starving population...

There is a need to eat in Zimbabwe not to fly.

Though a UM IL96 to spot would please me a lot...


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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5986 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 12):
I perfectly remember flying on a Russian charter from DME to Sharm El Shekh on IL-86 with Chinese language

That would have been one of the former China Xinjiang Airlines planes. XO was the only Il-86 operator in China.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5366 times:

Where are they using the 767s now? Are the loads ok?

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 5272 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 15):
Where are they using the 767s now?

Don't know all the destinations, but LGW is one of them... I hope il96s start coming soon though! First CU... then UM... I like it!


User currently offlineMetalInyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 5218 times:

They use them on their routes to LGW, Dubai and on the Singapore/Beijing routes.

Loads on the LGW route are alright i believe but the Dubai and Beijing routes are very light on traffic i have been led to believe by one of the 767 pilots.

i would like to see the Il-96s in UM fleet from an enthusiasts point of view but they cant make much commercial sense and would just make life difficult for the porr guys who have to run the airline.



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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

That article definitely says:

"Information to hand shows that the Minister of Transport and Communication, Christopher Mushohwe, visited Russia earlier this month to place the deposit for three Ilyushin and Tupolev planes - one IL-96-400 P for passengers and two IL-96-400 M for cargo use."

I don't see any IL-96-300s in that article at all. And there's a mention of Tupolev but no orders...?

I'm willing to bet that in truth, these might be more reliable and cheaper to buy new/maintain than the Boeings. Plus, they're probably as/more fuel efficient. Looks like a nice move to me.


User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

The 400 could look like this:

http://www.liladesign.com/AirZimbabweIlyushin96-400.jpg


User currently offlineMetalInyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 4690 times:



Quoting OwlEye (Reply 19):
The 400 could look like this:

reminds me of the old 707's. It looks really good although i think the Air Zim Livery would look much better on a polished metal surface ala American Airlines.

Maybe when someone has a little time they could conjure up a picture.



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User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 4559 times:



Quoting MetalInyoni (Reply 20):
reminds me of the old 707's. It looks really good although i think the Air Zim Livery would look much better on a polished metal surface ala American Airlines.

Maybe. But Air Zimbabwe first should get rid of the edgy livery striping which make their aircraft look stiff now. They'd better go for a smooth/swirly striping like that other African airline, Sudan Airways, for example or even more smoother and swirlier up to and including deleting the grey belly paint. When done all that, Air Zimbabwe's livery will look up-to-date and less 'loud' but colourfull enough:


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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4390 times:



Quoting OwlEye (Reply 19):
The 400 could look like this:

Love it. Gorgeous aircraft. More people should invest Russian instead of ancient Boeing or Airbus (as much as I do enjoy the classic 742s and A300s). Like Transaero! Imagine an IL-96-300/400 in that scheme!


User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

The Air Zimbabwe website is slow and their 'contact us' page doesn't seem to be valid. What's up?

http://www.airzimbabwe.aero

http://www.airzimbabwe.aero/contact_us.html


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Dunno, but I noticed that earlier too!

25 OwlEye : Thanks mate, in the meantime I sent them an e-mail and reported that their site isn't 100% correct.
26 Dennys : to Pylon101 and Owleye ! The IL96-300 is one of my FAVOURITE aircraft , may be my our days favourite aircraft . I am so happy to see one in Air Zim co
27 OA260 : Looks really cool in the UM livery !!! Its just a shame the circumstances.
28 Post contains images Boeing777/747 : Found an Air Zim livery modification on the Lila site:
29 Georgiabill : I am glad to see the Russian civilian aviation industry having some success recently. Congrats to both Ilyushin and Air Zimbabwe. If I remember correc
30 Dennys : I cannot still understand why the IL96-300 is not belonging to fleets like IRAN AIR , SYRIANAIR , ARMAVIA, LYBIAN ARAB AIRKINES, some Chineese carrier
31 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Absolutely gorgeous!!!! I can't wait to see the IL96 ih that sharp livery and the IL-96-400 freighter. Wow!!! NO That's only your opinion. Air Zimbabw
32 Jmc1975 : It really is a beautiful plane! Robert Mugabe sure knows how to lie to the rest of the world and give the appearance that Zimbabwe is doing well under
33 Fyano773 : Those 767s are PW powered, are they coming off of leases? Fyano
34 MetalInyoni : yes the 767's are leased. every now and then flights to london are cancelled as the lessors threaten to get them impounded for lack of payment. well
35 Dennys : Should The Air ZIM IL96 stop in CDG or ORY , i should be very very happy ! dennys IL96 LOVER
36 SW733 : Welcome to Africa Beautiful! Can't wait to see it.
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