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Brazil: Top 20 Airports Jan/2008  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
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The 20 biggest Brazilian Airports in January / 2008 as per Infraero's information just released.


1- Guarulhos/GRU.......1.958.142
2- Rio de Janeiro/GIG...1.064.827
3- São Paulo/CGH..........950.954
4- Brasilia/BSB...............873.504
5- Salvador/SSA....... .... 609.626
6- Recife/REC...... .........455.846
7- Confins/CNF..............417.466
8- Porto Alegre/POA......377.401
9- Fortaleza/FOR...........362.595
10- Curitiba/CWB...........326.579
11- Florianopolis/FLN.....227.570
12- Rio de Janeiro/SDU..225.091
13- Belem/BEL..............210.877
14- Manaus/MAO..........194.284
15- Natal/NAT...............185.845
16- Vitoria/VIX...............176.339
17- Goiania/GYN...........128.079
18- Cuiaba/CGB............121.217
19- Maceió/MCZ............104.127
20- São Luis/SLZ............79.063

Comparing year 2008 with same month in 2007, number of pax on Infraero network grow only 2.8%.

Major growing come from Cuiaba with around 36% and Confins (Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais State) with 35%. São Paulo Congonhas (CGH) at the same time face a major drop of 38%.


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3055 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
The 20 biggest Brazilian Airports in January / 2008 as per Infraero's information just released.


1- Guarulhos/GRU.......1.958.142
2- Rio de Janeiro/GIG...1.064.827
3- São Paulo/CGH..........950.954



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
São Paulo Congonhas (CGH) at the same time face a major drop of 38%.

After JJ's Airbus 320 crash in Sao Paulo Congonhas on July 17th 2007, authorities have limited their operations there.
This fact is reflecting in the numbers.


"The government also decided after the TAM crash to limit flights at Congonhas to point-to-point routes within a radius of 1,000km (540nm) to reduce weight on the runway, and to ban charter flights and business jet traffic. Most of the latter are being redirected to Campo de Marte. Congonhas can no longer operate as a connecting airport. From 62 movements an hour in 2001, this has now been almost halved to 33 an hour. This has affected capacity and costs, as TAM, Gol and other airlines have been forced to move flights to the international Guarulhos facility, which has almost overnight become an important domestic hub."

Full article: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...affic-growth-puts-pressure-on.html

Regards.



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Hey Felipe, do you see CNF getting any US flights soon?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):
After JJ's Airbus 320 crash in Sao Paulo Congonhas on July 17th 2007, authorities have limited their operations there.
This fact is reflecting in the numbers.

Not only authorities, many people now avoid CGH as a connecting point. Airlines because of that increased flights to CNF, GIG and CWB, three airports with growing higher than 25% on a year basis.

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 2):
Hey Felipe, do you see CNF getting any US flights soon?

You may hear some good news from your governor in two or three weeks, but nothing confirmed yet.. seems that AA is talking with Mr. Aecio Neves, our possible future President also !



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User currently offlineTP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2981 times:



Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 2):
Hey Felipe, do you see CNF getting any US flights soon?

When taking a JJ flight to BSB (from CNF) in the morning about a month ago, there was a DL 767-300 parked, and being prepared for the next leg. Is it a regular flight?

Gilson


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Notice that in 2008 Carnival was very early in February. January 2008 figures in popular Carnival destinations will be naturaly higher than in 2007. When February traffic figures come out we will have a better picture of what is happening year over year.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2812 times:
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Quoting TP727 (Reply 4):
When taking a JJ flight to BSB (from CNF) in the morning about a month ago, there was a DL 767-300 parked, and being prepared for the next leg. Is it a regular flight?

No, it was a diversion on a DL61 ATL-GIG flight due to technical issues. Probably you saw it while being prepared to complete the flight to Rio.



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

That would be great to have service directly to CNF  Smile

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2779 times:



Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 2):
CNF getting any US flights soon?

AA operated some years backward MIA-GRU-CNF with 763 and then it isn't certainly an untapped market.
Regards.



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User currently offlineTP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Felipe,

Thank you for taking the time to answer. Do you know what will be the AA destination, if they do come back to CNF? And do you think a flight to CNF, from any US city would work without an agreement with a local carrier? Also, would it be a nonstop flight?

Gilson


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
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Quoting TP727 (Reply 9):
Thank you for taking the time to answer. Do you know what will be the AA destination, if they do come back to CNF? And do you think a flight to CNF, from any US city would work without an agreement with a local carrier? Also, would it be a nonstop flight?

Heard rumors, just rumors please, that AA is looking for 2009 opportunities, and CNF could be one of the new flights. For sure if they anytime begin something, will be CNF-MIA.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 8):
AA operated some years backward MIA-GRU-CNF with 763 and then it isn't certainly an untapped market.
Regards.

Also AA904 use to be CNF-GIG-MIA before become only GIG-MIA.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Lipe: thanks for bringing the numbers for discussion.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):
After JJ's Airbus 320 crash in Sao Paulo Congonhas on July 17th 2007, authorities have limited their operations there.
This fact is reflecting in the numbers.


"The government also decided after the TAM crash to limit flights at Congonhas to point-to-point routes within a radius of 1,000km (540nm) to reduce weight on the runway, and to ban charter flights and business jet traffic. Most of the latter are being redirected to Campo de Marte. Congonhas can no longer operate as a connecting airport. From 62 movements an hour in 2001, this has now been almost halved to 33 an hour. This has affected capacity and costs, as TAM, Gol and other airlines have been forced to move flights to the international Guarulhos facility, which has almost overnight become an important domestic hub."

Correct. In March 2008 some of the restrictions applied to CGH will be lifted. You can expect strong growth in CGH after March 2008, which means CGH will certainly become Brazil no. 2 airport again by June/July 2008.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Airlines because of that increased flights to CNF, GIG and CWB, three airports with growing higher than 25% on a year basis.

Include GRU in your lust. GRU was one of the airports which benefited most. In fact, in January it was the airport with the second strongest growth among the top 20, second only to CNF, with about 26% passenger increase compared to January last year.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
Include GRU in your lust. GRU was one of the airports which benefited most. In fact, in January it was the airport with the second strongest growth among the top 20, second only to CNF, with about 26% passenger increase compared to January last year.

Agree about the fact that GRU has been benefited as for example all charters from São Paulo now departs from Guarulhos.
I didn't include GRU because there was a shift from CGH to GRU of about 550,000 pax and if you aggregate both you may see that São Paulo numbers drop about 6% over January 2007, but you right and i thank you for the reminder/correction.

Just a side note, the fastest growing in 2008 in fact was CGB with more than 30% (again). CGB since 2006 is showing an amazing growing, it's about 50% bigger than 2005.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
Correct. In March 2008 some of the restrictions applied to CGH will be lifted. You can expect strong growth in CGH after March 2008, which means CGH will certainly become Brazil no. 2 airport again by June/July 2008.

Hardi, IMO, CGH will never be what it use to be. TAM released two days ago their new domestic network and the changes are mostly on 4 or 5 flights from GRU to CGH as well as schedule adjustments. GIG lost IOS service in exchange of GIG-NAT and GIG-AJU-MCZ-GIG services, and another CNF-GIG flight. Also, JJ announced they will drop MGF and CXJ (both use to be from CGH).
I would bet CGH will be 1.2 million pax/month, about 8 to 10% higher than current season months level. Depending on charters, it could reach 1.3 million, but the charters would be withdraw from GRU.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2672 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Hardi, IMO, CGH will never be what it use to be

Certainly, and thanks god for that. Flying from CGH nowadays is a breeze as compared to previous years. CGH will certanly see its traffic increase from march, but the increase will not bring CGH to its previous position as Brazil's no. 1 airport, position now played by GRU. CGH will, however, become Brazil's no. 2 airport, overtaken GIG.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Agree about the fact that GRU has been benefited

GRU benefited, no doubt. Among the top 20 airports, GRU shows the second strongest growth, second only to CNF (which benefited mainly because of PLU>CNF relocation of flights). Now, GRU strong growth is a combination of CGH relocation and new traffic generated by airlines, ie. EK is a classical example.

Now, from March, be prepared for a strong growth in CGH and its "spill-over effect", the second is particularly important. For example, NVT-CGH which is now a "dead-end" flight will allow connections again. This means not only CGH will gain traffic but NVT and all airports connected through CGH. NVT saw a major reduction in pax traffic because of limitations of flights in CGH, and some routes such as MGF and CXJ were so deeply affected that TAM will even close them!

Rgs,


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

They can count me in at GRU and GIG in April Big grin

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2594 times:
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Agree 100% about CGH.. i flew GIG-CGH-GIG last January and it was a very good surprise as after 2 years of delays, for the first time, i got two on-time flights. CGH was very comfortable without the craziness i use to face in the past. It becomes a Premium Airport like the city's market it's designed to serve.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
GRU benefited, no doubt. Among the top 20 airports, GRU shows the second strongest growth, second only to CNF

Again, third after CGB and CNF. CGB grows exactly 35.12%, CNF 34.54%, GRU 25.92%
In the other hand, CGH (37.93%) and SDU (18.65%) are the big losers.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
Now, GRU strong growth is a combination of CGH relocation and new traffic generated by airlines, ie. EK is a classical example.

Even with such combination and new traffic, São Paulo lost almost 6% while Belo Horizonte grows 19% and Rio 14%. I imagine that São Paulo could grow at the same levels, 10 to 20% without JJ accident last year and all changes imposed to CGH. The 50,000 reduction on SDU, for example, (95% SDU-CGH shuttle service) represents almost 100,000 pax in CGH as they deboard and board again for other flights.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
Now, from March, be prepared for a strong growth in CGH and its "spill-over effect", the second is particularly important. For example, NVT-CGH which is now a "dead-end" flight will allow connections again. This means not only CGH will gain traffic but NVT and all airports connected through CGH. NVT saw a major reduction in pax traffic because of limitations of flights in CGH, and some routes such as MGF and CXJ were so deeply affected that TAM will even close them!

Good point and the way some markets decrease their number of passengers indicates also how the market needs other points of connection. The fact that numbers are lower than 2007 shows that passengers are probably avoiding travelling not because they want to reach São Paulo (which is possible right now) but because they are facing problems to reach other markets like BSB, GIG, South and Northeast. Interesting... and confirmed by the reduced number of passengers in São Paulo, even with a strong growing on Brazilian Economy. Don't you agree ?

Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2543 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Good point and the way some markets decrease their number of passengers indicates also how the market needs other points of connection. The fact that numbers are lower than 2007 shows that passengers are probably avoiding travelling not because they want to reach São Paulo (which is possible right now) but because they are facing problems to reach other markets like BSB, GIG, South and Northeast. Interesting... and confirmed by the reduced number of passengers in São Paulo, even with a strong growing on Brazilian Economy. Don't you agree ?

I agree, Lipe. You have a good point here. In fact, I know of many companies located in NVT area that drive their pax to CWB or FLN to allow for connection flights because their final destination is not Sao Paulo, and this alternative is cheaper and more convenient than buying 2 separate tickets. The same happened in CXJ with many companies driving their pax to POA to allow for flying with connecting flights. In some case, like CXJ, the drop in pax traffic was so accute that TAM even decided to suspend service.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
I agree, Lipe. You have a good point here. In fact, I know of many companies located in NVT area that drive their pax to CWB or FLN to allow for connection flights because their final destination is not Sao Paulo, and this alternative is cheaper and more convenient than buying 2 separate tickets. The same happened in CXJ with many companies driving their pax to POA to allow for flying with connecting flights. In some case, like CXJ, the drop in pax traffic was so accute that TAM even decided to suspend service.

It's a shame that Brazil can't keep people out of old and bad roads and obligates some to drive up to 100 miles to reach an airport with another one closer.
This is Hardi, IMO, the price of the "mono-hub" era. Even with a possible economy of scale, some city pairs are not viable now because they lost their way to allow people to get to their destination quickly. It's also show how BSB, CNF and GIG can grow a lot in the near future. The market is waiting for this!

Felipe



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2378 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Again, third after CGB and CNF. CGB grows exactly 35.12%, CNF 34.54%, GRU 25.92%
In the other hand, CGH (37.93%) and SDU (18.65%) are the big losers.

CGB, CNF and GIG should owe part of their growth to a boost in commodity prices driving investment and creating surplus cash in their areas - soy for CGB, iron and other metals for CNF and oil for GIG.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2374 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 18):
CGB, CNF and GIG should owe part of their growth to a boost in commodity prices driving investment and creating surplus cash in their areas - soy for CGB, iron and other metals for CNF and oil for GIG.

Not only this Incitatus, CNF and GIG in fact received a lot of new flights. People that use to fly SDU-CGH-XXX now fly non stop from GIG. Concerning to CNF, there was more flights transferred during 2007 (the last 6 to 10) from PLU as well as new flights to SSA, BSB and even CWB.

But for sure commodities has their part. Just to remember, BHP Brazil, MMX and Vale has HQ in Rio, so iron ore and other metals also plays in favor of Rio.



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User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2291 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
This is Hardi, IMO, the price of the "mono-hub" era. Even with a possible economy of scale, some city pairs are not viable now because they lost their way to allow people to get to their destination quickly. It's also show how BSB, CNF and GIG can grow a lot in the near future. The market is waiting for this!

Agree. This has been an old complain of mine here in this forum long before RG collapse.. even though many kept saying that the money was in GRU and that is why everyone had to fly thru there, which was an stupid/ignorant argument to say the least. There has been a market for flights outsite of SAO for ages, but airlines were just too conviniently confortable and didn't care to venture this gap. Now with all that has happened after the JJ accident, we see new routes like, CWB-CNF, GIG-MAO, etc.. which are performing well and came to stay.

Other much waited routes are:

GIG-JOI
GIG-NVT

POA-CPQ
POA-SSA

CWB-SSA
CWB-REC
CWB-VIX

CNF-POA
CNF-GYN
CNF-PVH
CNF-EZE

BSB-EZE

Rgs,
Neo


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2268 times:
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Quoting Neo (Reply 20):
Other much waited routes are:

GIG-JOI
GIG-NVT

I would add BSB-JOI and BSB-NVT, may be the best could be a route POA-JOI-GIG and POA-NVT-BSB together wioth NVT-GIG-SSA and JOI-GIG-BPS.

POA-CPQ
POA-SSA

Long waited connection South-Northeast, WEBJET (!) will provide POA-SSA on a twice weekly basis!

CWB-SSA
CWB-REC
CWB-VIX

CWB also deserves connection to SSA and REC and even a 1 stop service to MAO. There are good links between CWB and MAO.

CNF-POA
CNF-GYN
CNF-PVH
CNF-EZE

Perfect ! May be a daily CNF-FLN service also performs very well.

BSB-EZE

I would add BSB-UDI

Quoting Neo (Reply 20):
, but airlines were just too conviniently confortable and didn't care to venture this gap. Now with all that has happened after the JJ accident, we see new routes like, CWB-CNF, GIG-MAO, etc.. which are performing well and came to stay.

Ocean Air and WebJet are in fact performing very well with the higher loads on the industry nowadays (78% and 80% IIRC) with routes that focus on BSB, GIG and POA.

Just need to say that while airlines like AA, DL and others has 5 or 6 bases, Brazil only has 1 crew base which is craziness!

Felipe



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User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2262 times:



Quoting Neo (Reply 20):
Other much waited routes are:

Why has GOL decided to shut down their operations to and from RAO?

I have flown on RAO-CGH-RAO on a weekly basis, by TAM and GOL, and I´ve never seen an empty aircraft in none of the flights I took.

It´s going to be a huge downgrade for the logistics of Ribeirao´s citizens.

Rgds,

Joao



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User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2221 times:



Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 22):
Why has GOL decided to shut down their operations to and from RAO?

RAO is being suspended because conections were prohibited through CGH, wich must have seriously affected the flight...

However I would imagine that just the O&D traffic between RAO and SAO was enough to make this flight profitable...Maybe something there is something else...to it.

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Everybody is saying that it was an agreement between G3 and JJ. G3 would drop SJP and RAO and JJ would drop MGF and CXJ.

25 Post contains images Hardiwv : if JOI-GIG or NVT-GIG cannot work as standalone flights they could at least integrate the route as NVT-JOI-GIG or if we strecht a bit POA-NVT-JOI-GIG
26 LipeGIG : Agree, may be the best should POA-NVT-GIG and POA-JOI-BSB. As JOI is served for connections (including international), better to provide an alternati
27 Incitatus : Not exactly. Mostly, new routes appeared because demand increased. In part, connecting passengers were pushed out of CGH because of regulation. In pa
28 Jmbarros12 : Indeed. A few years ago, RAO was being considered to be the third international airport in the state of Sao Paulo. Ribeirao´s economy is growing in
29 Neo : Thanks Felipe, this is great news ... do you know when will they start the flight? I thought someone was flying this already... wau... It is nonsense
30 Donzilasse : Tonytifao e Felipe, I would love a AA flight to CNF from MIA. It would be great! On my last two trips to CNF unfortunately it seems that the JJ8011 al
31 Neo : Pure incompetence of Rio Sul, CNF was dead in 2001, pretty much all traffic was in PLU.. this route was doomed from scratch. The cut on RAO, CXJ, MGF
32 LipeGIG : Are you sure about MAO-GIG ? G3 never flew MAO-GIG, i believe you meant RG. First routes to MAO were: MAO-BEL-FOR and MAO-BSB-CGH with connections to
33 Incitatus : I am sorry about my error, but I should have written PLU-CWB-POA. So no, it was not incompetence of Rio Sul. Unless you have direct access to the fin
34 Incitatus : No, I meant GOL. They flew CGH-GIG-MAO for a few months in mid-2002 before switching to BSB-MAO and adding BEL-MAO. CGH-GIG-MAO was their inaugural s
35 Jmbarros12 : Well, I´ve flown from RAO to CGH and then back to RAO on every day of the week besides Saturday. The flights (G3 and JJ) were ALWAYS with 90% of occ
36 Neo : It looks like GOL changed the flight in favor of BSB-MAO and BEL-MAO... and back then GOL just starting and they were flying only short hops with one
37 Incitatus : We can't tell for sure - somebody from GOL would have to expose confidential information for us to see what is going on. But let us just assume you a
38 C010T3 : Well, in terms of oil, the prices are actually stable, since the Real is compensating the rise of the Dollar, but I have to admit that I haven't been
39 LipeGIG : I have to say i can't remember this route but also, Gol at that time deals with a fleet of 8-15 planes, far from a Hub (at that time Hub was only CGH
40 Incitatus : I have no information that leads me to believe that CNF has become a connection center. The 4 million pax a year are there because the local market g
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