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Airline Security: Israel Implements New Technology  
User currently offlineNYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/960406.html

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Israel is implementing a new aircraft identification system today designed to prevent terror attacks. The Elbit Systems program creates an identification code that civilian pilots must transmit before entering Israeli airspace. The code is verified by a special ground system. The several-month trial will include national carrier El Al as well as five foreign airlines with regular routes to Ben-Gurion International Airport. Every passenger plane pilot will have a personal smart card with which to identify himself upon approaching Israeli airspace, and it will be verified by a new ground control center established at Beit Dagan.

While I applaud the Israel Airports Authority (IAA) and the government of the State of Israel for its innovation in implementing new security measures, I fail to see how this really helps. Couldn't terrorists be able to force a pilot to put in the correct information in order to evade the Israeli Air Force? While El Al Israel Airlines (LY) have secure flight deck areas, some airlines have just a standard lock. I am proud of my countrymen though for developing and implementing this technology at Ben Gurion International Airport (TLV) and hope that it is successful in its goal.

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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1771 times:



Quoting NYC2TLV (Thread starter):
Couldn't terrorists be able to force a pilot to put in the correct information in order to evade the Israeli Air Force?

yes but technically they can force them to do anything but pilots normally wont.
Because many times if they were to give in there isnt a chance they would live any ways.



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User currently offlineGlbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1707 times:



Quoting NYC2TLV (Thread starter):
Couldn't terrorists be able to force a pilot to put in the correct information in order to evade the Israeli Air Force?

Not having read the specs for such a system, I suspect there are provisions for operating said system under duress that would be invisible to any captor, unlike the current Mode 4 transponder codes.


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

If you are afraid of the pilots being forced to put in the correct info this system would allow them to give a distress signal type code to indicate they have been hijacked

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5354 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Aren't we still using a very simplified version of this to get into DCA. A password given to every pilot before flight, that must be communicated to ATC on initial call ...immediate divert to IAD if incorrect (and/or F16s)??

Jimbo



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User currently offlineNYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1672 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 4):
Aren't we still using a very simplified version of this to get into DCA. A password given to every pilot before flight, that must be communicated to ATC on initial call ...immediate divert to IAD if incorrect (and/or F16s)??

Jimbo

I don't know if we are or not, but this system has a finger print scan to ensure that the right person is indeed flying the aircraft as well as a voice identifier (at least, this is what the demo video that Elbit systems produced implies).


User currently offlinePiedmontINT From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

This sort of reminds me of The Bourne Ultimatum when Jason breaks into the guys house and Julia Stiles walks in after Bourne has beaten up the bad guys. The phone rings and she answers and its the CIA. They ask her for her code word and its one word if everything is normal and another word if she is in trouble.

I know this is very vague but Im sure someone out there remembers this! It makes perfect sense to me!

I think that something like this would work just as well and the terrorists wouldn't know the difference. Have each pilot be given different code words, one if everything is normal, and another if he is in trouble. It wouldnt be that hard to implement either, just have it as part of the pilot's employee number in a database like CASS.


User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1474 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 4):
Aren't we still using a very simplified version of this to get into DCA. A password given to every pilot before flight, that must be communicated to ATC on initial call ...immediate divert to IAD if incorrect (and/or F16s)??

When you file your flight plan, you have to give a PIN number, which the FAA assigns, in the flight plan. They then have a sequence they use over the air, plus an assigned transponder code.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21421 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

so how are they going to get every airline to install this in every aircraft they might fly to TLV? At what cost?

why not just keep an F-16 flying around and identifying aircraft by visual?  Wink

Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 6):
I know this is very vague but Im sure someone out there remembers this! It makes perfect sense to me!

most home security companies have the same thing. your safe password and your panic password.



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User currently offlineSpdBrdConcorde From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

reminds me of the part from Star Wars were han solo, leia, luke use an imperial cargo vessel to land on endor, and need a verification code to continue...

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