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CO 747 In MIA Late 80's  
User currently offlineMIAUA777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

I found a couple of pics showing CO 747 in MIA in the late 80's. Where did they fly?

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

London Gatwick

filler..
filler..



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User currently offlinePa747sp From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Gatwick daily. They took over the route when they bought out Eastern.


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User currently offlineJetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Actually the route was a remnant of the merger with Peoples Express.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3089 times:



Quoting Jetskipper (Reply 3):
Actually the route was a remnant of the merger with Peoples Express.

As was the plane...  Wink



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3078 times:


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Here it is in Gatwick, new to People Express. It was a Pan Am bird before that.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3052 times:



Quoting Jetskipper (Reply 3):
Actually the route was a remnant of the merger with Peoples Express.

The route from MIA to LGW I believe was always EA's and had nothing to do with People Express.



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User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4879 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3050 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 6):


The route from MIA to LGW I believe was always EA's and had nothing to do with People Express.

Correct. That route was one the "asset swaps" Texas Air pulled to benefit CO at the expense of EA.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

MIA-LGW was originally awarded to Air Florida, at the same time the British Government awarded LGW-MIA to Laker.

After Air Florida ceased operations in July, 1984, the route went to Eastern.

PeoplExpress never flew the route.



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User currently offlinePanAm747LHR From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 232 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2813 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 8):

PeoplExpress never flew the route.

That is definitely false. There are numerous cabin crew here at CO who were originally PeoplExpress, (the People people) and they all still talk about their Miami-London trips. Unless they all have very poor memories, then PeoplExpress definitely flew Miami London. It was a 6 day trip for crews. EWR-LGW layover LGW-MIA layover MIA-LGW layvoer and then LGW - EWR.

Nick


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2804 times:



Quoting Jetskipper (Reply 3):
Actually the route was a remnant of the merger with Peoples Express.



Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 9):
That is definitely false. There are numerous cabin crew here at CO who were originally PeoplExpress, (the People people) and they all still talk about their Miami-London trips.

PeoplExpress never flew MIA-LGW, it was a Eastern route transfered to Continental by the parent company Texas Air. Think about it, why would PE fly MIA-LGW. PeoplExpress was 100% EWR centric until their partnership with Frontier, even then it was not their metal.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6708 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2792 times:



Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 9):
Unless they all have very poor memories

Not very poor-- just not good enough. When do they think PE started Miami-London?


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2763 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 6):
The route from MIA to LGW I believe was always EA's

One of the main reason why EA ordered the DC-10.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Either way, the plane came from People Express.  Smile


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2716 times:



Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 9):

That is definitely false.

It is definitely not. CO got the route from Eastern; PE never flew it.



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User currently offlineFetheroleather From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

After the "merger" in 87 with CO,PEX inflight crews flew seperately from the rest of the CO FA's(Old CO,Frontier and NyAir) and were called internally CAL-EWR while the rest of the FA's were CAL-CAL. So CAL-EWR flew the 6 day EWR-LGW-MIA-LGW-EWR for @ 2 yrs until CO finally integrated the crews and it was not long after that they sold the route to AA,IIRC.


Not that it really matters,but I dont think PEX had any old PA 747's either.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2509 times:



Quoting Fetheroleather (Reply 15):
Not that it really matters,but I dont think PEX had any old PA 747's either.

It was ex-QF. I read the caption wrong on the picture.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2387 times:
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Continental flew the Miami to LGW route for several years after the Eastern purchase by Texas Air. Eastern was killed on the route by Virgin, BA and Pan Am who flew 747's. When AA took over the Eastern Latin routes they got Miami to LGW, AA flew it with a 762ER. Then they by default they took over the Miami to LHR in 1991, TWA never flew MIA to LHR. Since United purchased the Pan Am LHR, UA briefly did fly MIA to LHR but concentrated on flying to LHR from their hubs. AA did pay TWA lots of $$$ for LHR but got Miami to LHR for free since AA is one of the two US LHR airlines & UA didn't want it, they just moved from LGW to LHR. 763ER flew it for a while until MD-11 and now 777 fly daily from Miami to Heathrow for AA.

User currently offlinePrinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2237 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 17):
Continental flew the Miami to LGW route for several years after the Eastern purchase by Texas Air. Eastern was killed on the route by Virgin, BA and Pan Am who flew 747's.

EA was not "killed" on the route. The route was simply transferred to CO. At the time EA expected to start flying to Madrid from MIA and needed the DC10s for that route. Also, EA management noticed that although the loads were good on the LGW route, a route to MAD could produce better yields. EA flying a DC10 on the route vs. BA/PA/VS 747s was not a factor on the route's demise. EA had "Golden Wings" service to Europe which at the time was much better than the service provided by the competitors. I still keep my flight attendant manual and route specific seat charts and brochures detailing the service which even included chocolate dipped strawberries in coach....



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2158 times:
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Quoting Prinair (Reply 18):
EA was not "killed" on the route. The route was simply transferred to CO. At the time EA expected to start flying to Madrid from MIA and needed the DC10s for that route. Also, EA management noticed that although the loads were good on the LGW route, a route to MAD could produce better yields. EA flying a DC10 on the route vs. BA/PA/VS 747s was not a factor on the route's demise. EA had "Golden Wings" service to Europe which at the time was much better than the service provided by the competitors. I still keep my flight attendant manual and route specific seat charts and brochures detailing the service which even included chocolate dipped strawberries in coach....

Eastern needed to serve both London & Madrid plus Paris and other cities in Europe to have a critical mass from Miami as National did, with no feed from South America. EA needed a fleet of 10 to 15 intercontinental range airplanes for this too work. They even applied for a route to Tokyo from Miami via Seattle with the DC-10-30, the loses would have been huge, but they did dream.

EA's luck was bad, the fact Frank Borman hated the Machinists rep in Miami didn't help things and Borman threatened to sell the airline to Lorenzo, he did, and we sadly know how that turned out. Sadly Martin Shugrue couldn't save Eastern from its ills. Long its memory will live in Miami.

I was at the University of Miami in 1986 when EA operated this flight and went to MIA 3 times a week, just to see planes. They started in the spring of 1986 and killed LGW 9/30 or 10/31 of 1986. BA and PA with Virgin offered 747 service to London at the time, better or not. EA did place for sale in the CRS systems a Miami-Madrid flight, but used arrow Air DC-8 to fly it, I have some Spanish friends who flew "Eastern" via Arrow air's DC-8. It was hell.

EA DC-10-30's did find a great niche in Miami to Buenos Aires service, this they did well in. Eastern strategy to Buenos Aires before had been an L-1011 via Lima.


User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

I'm sure one of PE's 747s came from Alitalia. I have a good old VHS video by a PE Captain showing in cockpit videos flying from OAK, HNL, EWR, LGW. Paul Havis was the pilot I believe.

User currently offlinePExDCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2110 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
PeoplExpress never flew MIA-LGW

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PE 747 cities were EWR, LGW, BRU, LAX, OAK/SFO, and DEN. MIA never saw PE scheduled 747 service, only 727/737 service to EWR and IAD. The only PE service to LGW was out of EWR.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
Either way, the plane came from People Express.

This is correct too!



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User currently offlinePecoua From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

I was a PE crewmember and stayed thru the merger with CO in Feb 1987...I flew that trip all the time...CO definitely flew MIA/LGW becaue I worked it.  Smile

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6708 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2018 times:



Quoting Pecoua (Reply 22):
CO definitely flew MIA/LGW becaue I worked it.

Nobody said otherwise.


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