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Toyota To Enter Aircraft Industry?  
User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11125 times:

From http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2008/03/04/afx4730648.html:

Quote:

TOKYO (Thomson Financial) - Japan's Toyota Motor Corp, which is widely expected to overtake General Motors this year as the world's top-selling automaker, is considering entering the aircraft industry, a spokeswoman said Wednesday.

Toyota (nyse: TM - news - people ) may put up funds to a company to be set up by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd (other-otc: MHVYF.PK - news - people ) for its passenger jet project, Toyota spokeswoman Kayo Doi said.

Could be huge..I can see Mitsubishi Heavy/Toyota developing into a formidable competitor for Embraer and Bombardier in the near future.. any thoughts?


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User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11086 times:

Indeed, NH is already a potential customer for the MRJ

User currently offlineFWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

well, Honda is still testing its VLJ, Mitsubishi is a long time aviation company, and Toyota would be quite interesting to see get involved too. im looking forward to more news about this  Smile


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10987 times:

Toyota already owns 8.4% of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru), a major supplier to Eclipse and Hawker/Beechcraft.


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User currently offlineBeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10929 times:

We all know how car companys love to have a hand in airplanes. Heck look at Saab.


Fly HI
User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10919 times:

Always possible, but Japanese manufacturers have been abysmal failures at aircraft design and manufacturing for the commercial market, and you'll no doubt note that Honda chose (wisely) to design and manufacture the HondaJet ... here.


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User currently offlineFWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10906 times:



Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 6):
Heck look at Saab.

except that Saab started out making planes and then made cars



ex-OH@CVG
User currently offlineBeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10885 times:

This is true but still they did both. Heck they even made big trucks too. Which I think are still being used under the name scania if I remeber right.


Fly HI
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10845 times:



Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 6):
We all know how car companys love to have a hand in airplanes. Heck look at Saab.

I think it's more to do with the fact that, though it's less common in the US, industrial companies in many other countries are vastly diversified, with Japanese firms being the ultimate example of his.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineMrBrightSide From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10710 times:



Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 9):
This is true but still they did both. Heck they even made big trucks too. Which I think are still being used under the name scania if I remeber right.

Errr.... yes and no. Scania is owned by V.A.G. (Volkswagen in short), and had links with VW throughout its history. It merged with SAAB back in 70s (me thinks), and they split like 10 years ago (or more). SAAB on the other hand, begun as an aircraft company, and then expanded onto cars.

But if we want to split hairs, Nokia has over 40% WW cellphone marketshare (e.g. make 400 million cellphones a year), and yet, they started as a freakin' paper factory and wood-pulp mill.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):

I think it's more to do with the fact that, though it's less common in the US, industrial companies in many other countries are vastly diversified, with Japanese firms being the ultimate example of his.

Actually, Japanese and Korean companies... they're diversified as it goes. Samsung for instance, even produced cars under its brand (license by Renault), Ssan Young is world's #3 concrete manufacturer yet Europeans know the company by its cars (pretty good SUVs with Merc engines)... all in all, all conglomerates diversify themselves to cut down the liability of being focused on just one line of business.

It's the nature of business... more hands you have, you're more stable when economy at particular industry goes into toilet. It's all about balance  Smile



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10556 times:



Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 6):
We all know how car companys love to have a hand in airplanes. Heck look at Saab.

And Ford with the TriMotor


User currently offlineEUROBUS From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10534 times:

Toyota?? ...........hmmmm, what about a Lexus airplane?  hyper 


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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10356 times:
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Quoting EUROBUS (Reply 13):
Toyota?? ...........hmmmm, what about a Lexus airplane?

Toyota actually developed a derivative of the V8 used in Lexus LS-series cars for use in GA applications:
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRH9703/FR9703l.htm (scroll down a bit)

GM owned Hughes Aircraft for quite a while too. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_Aircraft .



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10287 times:



Quoting Acidradio (Reply 14):
GM owned Hughes Aircraft for quite a while too.

Of Hughes' aerospace operations, the part that was arguably 'Hughes Aircraft' was sold off to MDC at the same time GM bought the remainder. GM did retain the satellite, radar and missile operations for some time, though.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10210 times:

Several car companies have had aerospace links

In the UK most famously Rolls Royce (the car arm is now owned by BMW below), but also Bristol, originally based at the Filton plant. In addition, BAE owned Rover for a while Sad

BMW and Daimler in Germany (Daimler Benz owned a large stake in Deutsche Aerospace, do they still own a stake in EADS?)

FIAT Avio in Italy

Matra in France used to produce the Renault Espace

In additon to SAAB, Volvo produce aero engines in Sweden



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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10096 times:



Quoting Acidradio (Reply 12):
Toyota actually developed a derivative of the V8 used in Lexus LS-series cars for use in GA applications:
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRH9703/FR9703l.htm (scroll down a bit)

Technically it was a Hamilton Standard engine. Toyota was the largest supplier. The reason for this was UT/H-S's familiarity with the FAA certification process. The TC was issued in Dec 1995. H-S also received a PC, but since they never produced the engine it was withdrawn. Let me just say that H-S and Toyota went through a lot of work to get a FADEC GA piston certified in 1995, it was precedent setting for the FAA, which has since made the process a little bit easier. Some interesting facts about the engine is that is was boosted at Sea Level, has fairly good fuel economy and even though it is liquid cooled is still relatively light. Everything I have seen makes me think that the reason this engine didn't succeed is that it was too expensive to produce, and more specifically the FADECs were quite expensive.

Here is the link to the TCDS:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...525670c0069d991/$FILE/E00052en.pdf

Toyota has been fairly schizophrenic when it comes to aviation, it would be nice to see them finally make up their mind.


User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

Highs:

-Great reliability
-A four year 500,000 nm mile warranty, covers everything but consumer wear and tear
-standard equipment includes cloth interior, air conditioning, and automatic pilot with auto land
-good re-sale value
-best selling mid sized airplane in the world
-highest crash test ratings


Lows

-slow acceleration times, longer than normal take-off roll
-poor handling
-lacks steering feel through controls,
-sub-par fuel efficiency



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8805 times:



Quoting MrBrightSide (Reply 9):

Errr.... yes and no. Scania is owned by V.A.G. (Volkswagen in short), and had links with VW throughout its history. It merged with SAAB back in 70s (me thinks), and they split like 10 years ago (or more).

Volkswagen AG is poised to become the biggest stockholder of Scania by paying $2.85B as reported yesterday. Porsche meanwhile got board clearance to acquire a majority stake in Volkswagen that would allow it to absorb a combined Scania / MAN AG truck giant.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/309029



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User currently offlineYWG747 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

I think that this would be a really great idea.
Add more competion to the market for regional type jets.
Which is always a good thing  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 592 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8374 times:

I thought Toyota actually had gone as far as producing a flying demonstrator (via Rutan?) and that nothing became of it due to average (unremarkable) performance. It looked not a whole lot unlike a Cirrus to the best of my reccollection.

Cheers!

SLCPilot


Edit: Here it is, built and flown in 2002 by Burt....According to the FAA it flew with a Continental IO-360, I'm pretty sure this is a six cylinder engine.



[Edited 2008-03-05 10:16:30]

[Edited 2008-03-05 10:19:22]


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User currently offlinePilottim From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7689 times:

Toyota also built boats under the Epic name powered by the V8 found in the Lexus LS400:
http://www.epicmarine.com/history.html

Tim


User currently offlineBaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6863 times:



Quoting MrBrightSide (Reply 9):
But if we want to split hairs, Nokia has over 40% WW cellphone marketshare (e.g. make 400 million cellphones a year), and yet, they started as a freakin' paper factory and wood-pulp mill.

It think they actually made wellie boots, but I could be wrong

BAguy


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6720 times:



Quoting FWA2500 (Reply 6):
Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 6):
Heck look at Saab.

except that Saab started out making planes and then made cars

And the aircraft manufacturer is now unrelated to the car manufacturer (which has been owned by General Motors for quite a few years).


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

Great! More work for us in Chubu Japan. With Mitsubishi, Kawasaki, Fuji Heavy and a few other small companies in the area all working on components of products for Boeing, Embraer, Airbus and Bombardier, I think Toyota could be the unifier. Toyota was the major pusher for our airport and is really the leader for anyone trying to push new designs and technology in Japan. If Toyota gets in on the Aerospace industry in Japan, they will be a management system with the regional companies already in the industry making the product. It would be a Toyota-Mitsubishi joint venture with all the other heavies doing support work.


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineDELTA23 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

I think toyota cars right now are the number 1 especially the RAV 4 L i think there airplanes would the greatest  cool   cool 

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