National757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 717 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9589 times:
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TOKYO (Thomson Financial) - Japan's Toyota Motor Corp, which is widely expected to overtake General Motors this year as the world's top-selling automaker, is considering entering the aircraft industry, a spokeswoman said Wednesday.
Toyota (nyse: TM - news - people ) may put up funds to a company to be set up by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd (other-otc: MHVYF.PK - news - people ) for its passenger jet project, Toyota spokeswoman Kayo Doi said.
Could be huge..I can see Mitsubishi Heavy/Toyota developing into a formidable competitor for Embraer and Bombardier in the near future.. any thoughts?
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FWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9492 times:
well, Honda is still testing its VLJ, Mitsubishi is a long time aviation company, and Toyota would be quite interesting to see get involved too. im looking forward to more news about this
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9451 times:
Toyota already owns 8.4% of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru), a major supplier to Eclipse and Hawker/Beechcraft.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Beertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 398 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9393 times:
We all know how car companys love to have a hand in airplanes. Heck look at Saab.
SCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5088 posts, RR: 28 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9383 times:
Always possible, but Japanese manufacturers have been abysmal failures at aircraft design and manufacturing for the commercial market, and you'll no doubt note that Honda chose (wisely) to design and manufacture the HondaJet ... here.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
FWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9370 times:
Beertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 398 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9349 times:
This is true but still they did both. Heck they even made big trucks too. Which I think are still being used under the name scania if I remeber right.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9309 times:
Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 6): We all know how car companys love to have a hand in airplanes. Heck look at Saab.
I think it's more to do with the fact that, though it's less common in the US, industrial companies in many other countries are vastly diversified, with Japanese firms being the ultimate example of his.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
MrBrightSide From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 202 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9174 times:
Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 9): This is true but still they did both. Heck they even made big trucks too. Which I think are still being used under the name scania if I remeber right.
Errr.... yes and no. Scania is owned by V.A.G. (Volkswagen in short), and had links with VW throughout its history. It merged with SAAB back in 70s (me thinks), and they split like 10 years ago (or more). SAAB on the other hand, begun as an aircraft company, and then expanded onto cars.
But if we want to split hairs, Nokia has over 40% WW cellphone marketshare (e.g. make 400 million cellphones a year), and yet, they started as a freakin' paper factory and wood-pulp mill.
Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
I think it's more to do with the fact that, though it's less common in the US, industrial companies in many other countries are vastly diversified, with Japanese firms being the ultimate example of his.
Actually, Japanese and Korean companies... they're diversified as it goes. Samsung for instance, even produced cars under its brand (license by Renault), Ssan Young is world's #3 concrete manufacturer yet Europeans know the company by its cars (pretty good SUVs with Merc engines)... all in all, all conglomerates diversify themselves to cut down the liability of being focused on just one line of business.
It's the nature of business... more hands you have, you're more stable when economy at particular industry goes into toilet. It's all about balance
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Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9020 times:
Quoting Beertrucker (Reply 6): We all know how car companys love to have a hand in airplanes. Heck look at Saab.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8820 times:
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Quoting EUROBUS (Reply 13): Toyota?? ...........hmmmm, what about a Lexus airplane?
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8751 times:
Quoting Acidradio (Reply 14): GM owned Hughes Aircraft for quite a while too.
Of Hughes' aerospace operations, the part that was arguably 'Hughes Aircraft' was sold off to MDC at the same time GM bought the remainder. GM did retain the satellite, radar and missile operations for some time, though.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8674 times:
Several car companies have had aerospace links
In the UK most famously Rolls Royce (the car arm is now owned by BMW below), but also Bristol, originally based at the Filton plant. In addition, BAE owned Rover for a while
BMW and Daimler in Germany (Daimler Benz owned a large stake in Deutsche Aerospace, do they still own a stake in EADS?)
FIAT Avio in Italy
Matra in France used to produce the Renault Espace
In additon to SAAB, Volvo produce aero engines in Sweden
it's the bus to stansted (now renamed national express a4 to ruin my username)
Phollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8560 times:
Technically it was a Hamilton Standard engine. Toyota was the largest supplier. The reason for this was UT/H-S's familiarity with the FAA certification process. The TC was issued in Dec 1995. H-S also received a PC, but since they never produced the engine it was withdrawn. Let me just say that H-S and Toyota went through a lot of work to get a FADEC GA piston certified in 1995, it was precedent setting for the FAA, which has since made the process a little bit easier. Some interesting facts about the engine is that is was boosted at Sea Level, has fairly good fuel economy and even though it is liquid cooled is still relatively light. Everything I have seen makes me think that the reason this engine didn't succeed is that it was too expensive to produce, and more specifically the FADECs were quite expensive.
Manfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7759 times:
Highs:
-Great reliability
-A four year 500,000 nm mile warranty, covers everything but consumer wear and tear
-standard equipment includes cloth interior, air conditioning, and automatic pilot with auto land
-good re-sale value
-best selling mid sized airplane in the world
-highest crash test ratings
Lows
-slow acceleration times, longer than normal take-off roll
-poor handling
-lacks steering feel through controls,
-sub-par fuel efficiency
DEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4423 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7269 times:
Quoting MrBrightSide (Reply 9):
Errr.... yes and no. Scania is owned by V.A.G. (Volkswagen in short), and had links with VW throughout its history. It merged with SAAB back in 70s (me thinks), and they split like 10 years ago (or more).
Volkswagen AG is poised to become the biggest stockholder of Scania by paying $2.85B as reported yesterday. Porsche meanwhile got board clearance to acquire a majority stake in Volkswagen that would allow it to absorb a combined Scania / MAN AG truck giant.
SLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 527 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6838 times:
I thought Toyota actually had gone as far as producing a flying demonstrator (via Rutan?) and that nothing became of it due to average (unremarkable) performance. It looked not a whole lot unlike a Cirrus to the best of my reccollection.
Cheers!
SLCPilot
Edit: Here it is, built and flown in 2002 by Burt....According to the FAA it flew with a Continental IO-360, I'm pretty sure this is a six cylinder engine.
[Edited 2008-03-05 10:16:30]
[Edited 2008-03-05 10:19:22]
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Pilottim From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 32 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6153 times:
Baguy From UK - England, joined Mar 2006, 528 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5327 times:
Quoting MrBrightSide (Reply 9): But if we want to split hairs, Nokia has over 40% WW cellphone marketshare (e.g. make 400 million cellphones a year), and yet, they started as a freakin' paper factory and wood-pulp mill.
It think they actually made wellie boots, but I could be wrong
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3597 posts, RR: 21 Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4435 times:
Great! More work for us in Chubu Japan. With Mitsubishi, Kawasaki, Fuji Heavy and a few other small companies in the area all working on components of products for Boeing, Embraer, Airbus and Bombardier, I think Toyota could be the unifier. Toyota was the major pusher for our airport and is really the leader for anyone trying to push new designs and technology in Japan. If Toyota gets in on the Aerospace industry in Japan, they will be a management system with the regional companies already in the industry making the product. It would be a Toyota-Mitsubishi joint venture with all the other heavies doing support work.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
DELTA23 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4147 times:
I think toyota cars right now are the number 1 especially the RAV 4 L i think there airplanes would the greatest
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