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What Is The Purpose Of Qantas Flight 8 LAX To SYD?  
User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16548 times:

Okay I have some new Qantas questions:

1. What is the inbound flight number for Qantas flight 8 that departs only on Thursdays from LAX at 1250pm heading for SYD?

2. Is Qantas flight 11 from SYD that arrives LAX at 950am, used on Thursdays to operate fligth 8 back to SYD?

3. So basically, what is the purpose of Qantas flight 8 that seems to have no inbound flight into LAX.

4. What is the purpose for aircraft swapping at LAX for Qantas' flights? For example flight 11 to flight 8.

If there are any Qantas employees that might know the answer, please enlighten me.

Access-Air


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User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16442 times:



Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
1. What is the inbound flight number for Qantas flight 8 that departs only on Thursdays from LAX at 1250pm heading for SYD?

QF149 is the inbound flight number. You'll notice that it goes out as QF8 once a week, and QF150 all other times it operates.

Purpose? Perhaps there is a demand from Y pax to get an evening arrival.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16433 times:



Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
1. What is the inbound flight number for Qantas flight 8 that departs only on Thursdays from LAX at 1250pm heading for SYD?

QF149 leaves SYD at 11:30 on Thursdays, arrives LAX at 06:00 Thursdays, leaves LAX, as QF8 at 12:50 Thursdays, arrives SYD at 22:20 Fridays
QF149 also leves SYD at 11:30 on Fridays, arriving LAX at 06:00 on Fridays, leaves LAX, as QF 150 at 23:55 on Fridays, arriving SYD at 09:25 on Sundays.

QF11/12 & QF107/108 are the daily flights, QF149/8/150 are the third daily flight but only on Thursdays & Fridays.

Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
2. Is Qantas flight 11 from SYD that arrives LAX at 950am, used on Thursdays to operate fligth 8 back to SYD?

No see above

Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
3. So basically, what is the purpose of Qantas flight 8 that seems to have no inbound flight into LAX.

Yes it does, see one above. QF8 is an ALL daylight flight and by far the best flight for avoiding jet lag. In the past it was a daily flight. It was discontinued after 9/11 and then reinstated. It has operated more often than once weekly since 9/11 but never daily. The problem with QF8 is its scheduled arrival time into SYD., at 22:20 that is only 40 minutes before the airport closes at 23:00, so if it runs more than 40 min late, for what ever reason, it has to put into NAN, Fiji to wait for the airport to reopen at 06:00 the next morning. A very expensive proposition for QF and to be avoided if at all possible. I have been told that loads on QF8 are light and it is used for clearing out cargo, I cannot vouch for that.

Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
4. What is the purpose for aircraft swapping at LAX for Qantas' flights? For example flight 11 to flight 8.

Why not? There is no need for an arriving aircraft to return on any particular flight, provided that the schedules fit and they are of the same configuration. All SYD/MEL-LAX non stop flight are normally operated by "Pacific" configured B744/B744ERs. MEL-AKL-LAX & BNE-LAX are operated by two class B744s, except that MEL-AKL-LAX is being operated currently, three days a week by A332 aircraft.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16197 times:

QF8 has lower loads and takes a lot of cargo. As for the jetlag, it's amazing, actually. If you are in J or F (or can sleep in Y seats) and "prepare" a bit the days before your flight (staying up late and waking late), you won't have any jetlag when arriving SYD. I had absolutely none.

And yes, when I took QF8 two decembers ago, it was more than once a week. I think it was 3 times a week, IIRC.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 2):
The problem with QF8 is its scheduled arrival time into SYD., at 22:20 that is only 40 minutes before the airport closes at 23:00, so if it runs more than 40 min late, for what ever reason, it has to put into NAN, Fiji to wait for the airport to reopen at 06:00 the next morning.

Well, it can make up a LOT of time in the air. We left over 2 hours late and arrive SYD at 22:53. We flew quite fast.

The loads weren't that great, but we were loaded down with cargo. We were delayed due to them wanting to add even MORE cargo, then having the cargo lift break down while up at the plane. It was a mess. Ultimately, they ended up having to take some cargo off to make us lighter to get us there faster, or something like that.

Whatever the reason, we left 2 hours late.

And they told us that if we didn't make it in time, they would put down in Brisbane, we'd stay on the plane overnight, and then they'd depart BNE so that they would arrive right at 6AM into SYD. Luckily that didn't happen. But the F/A's said it does happen once in a while. Fiji was not mentioned...



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User currently offlineQF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16118 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
And yes, when I took QF8 two decembers ago, it was more than once a week. I think it was 3 times a week, IIRC

Believe it was 4 times weekly Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays and Sundays IIRC, this was changed when frequenices to SFO were increased to 5x weekly, and due to the lack of QF long-range aircraft the frames were redeployed there.

Can't say if it will go back to more regular operation when the A380's come on-line, but almost certainly SFO will go daily, when they do.

Anybody going to SYD as their final destination would be mad not to take this flight, as Ikramerica said no jetlag, you can arrive local time and go straight to bed, nothing worse than checking out from the hotel at 11 and waiting 12 hours for the flight home !

Mark



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User currently offlineYvrsr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15077 times:

I took this flight on a Friday in June 2005 as part of a YVR-LAX-SYD trip. It left 30 minutes late from LAX and battled strong head winds. There wasn't enough fuel make it all the way to Sydney, so the plane landed in Brisbane, fueled up, and then made it into Sydney just before curfew. It was in the northern summer/southern winter so I think the flight was supposed to leave LAX at around 1pm and arrive in Sydney at around 8 or 9pm.

I made several YVR-SYD trips during that time and all others were on AC via HNL -- a nightime flight, where one has to get off the plane at HNL at around midnight. The daytime flight was more convenient.


User currently offlineSFOJFK From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15018 times:

Done this QF8 twice in the past 12 months. It's your best option to be fresh for business the next day. All my Aussie colleagues recommended that I take QF8 to SYD. This is the best option to get there if you want to work the next day.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14442 times:



Quoting SFOJFK (Reply 6):
This is the best option to get there if you want to work the next day.

Or don't have a 2 week holiday where you can take 3 days to recover.

I made sure to stay awake the whole flight, got into SYD and to my hotel by midnight, slept for 7 hours and woke up at a "normal" time of 7:30AM. No wasted days on my 7 day holiday (well 3 days had some work in them).



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13700 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
QF8 has lower loads and takes a lot of cargo. As for the jetlag, it's amazing, actually. If you are in J or F (or can sleep in Y seats) and "prepare" a bit the days before your flight (staying up late and waking late), you won't have any jetlag when arriving SYD. I had absolutely none.

I have also taken QF8 and love it. When I go to SYD, I always go on QF8 because I can avoid jetlag and get a fresh nights sleep upon arrival in SYD and be ready on the next day.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12216 times:

Thanks guys.....

This was actually a question that a friend of mine wanted me to ask for him..... Smile

Cheers, Access-Air



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User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12109 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
And they told us that if we didn't make it in time, they would put down in Brisbane, we'd stay on the plane overnight, and then they'd depart BNE so that they would arrive right at 6AM into SYD. Luckily that didn't happen. But the F/A's said it does happen once in a while. Fiji was not mentioned...

Your post answered many questions...I especially liked the one about how to overcome jetlag...it is something I haven't tried and it makes so much sense. Considering the number of times that I have flown to/from Europe crossing nine time zones, your idea has never occurred to me (I'm actually embarrassed to mention it), but I'll try it from now on flying westbound.

Also, on those occasions in which QF8 has to divert due to the closure of the SYD airport, BNE is the logical diversion; it is not that much of a deviation and QF has greater facilities there than in NAN. Granted, staying on the aircraft another six hours, then flying down to SYD isn't a thrilling proposition after 13-14 hours of flying, at least at BNE, the aircraft can be fully serviced and provisions made to keep folks comfortable on board...at NAN, that would be a much more difficult proposition.

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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12011 times:



Quoting BAW716 (Reply 10):
Also, on those occasions in which QF8 has to divert due to the closure of the SYD airport, BNE is the logical diversion; it is not that much of a deviation and QF has greater facilities there than in NAN. Granted, staying on the aircraft another six hours, then flying down to SYD isn't a thrilling proposition after 13-14 hours of flying, at least at BNE, the aircraft can be fully serviced and provisions made to keep folks comfortable on board...at NAN, that would be a much more difficult proposition.

I highly doubt QF would force its passengers to stay on the aircraft at BNE, with BNE being a QF base. In most cases I'd say QF would put u up in a nearby hotel but for just 4 or so hrs it may not be worth it. In any case im sure they'd let brisbane bound pax clear customs and go home, and Syd and other ones at least in the transit area in the terminal were they have access to showers


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11908 times:



Quoting BAW716 (Reply 10):
Also, on those occasions in which QF8 has to divert due to the closure of the SYD airport, BNE is the logical diversion; it is not that much of a deviation and QF has greater facilities there than in NAN.

In the 1990s BNE was never mentioned, NAN was, don't know why. I supect that NAN was more a diversion for fuel reasons, which was apprently more common then.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11894 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 11):
I highly doubt QF would force its passengers to stay on the aircraft at BNE, with BNE being a QF base.

Well, that's not what the crew told me. I asked: "would you put us in a hotel?" and they said no, because by the time they took care of finding 200+ people rooms, you'd get to your room and have to turn around and go back to the airport in an hour. Further, they don't want to clear customs in BNE if they can help it, so the best solution they found is to keep you on the plane, but get more food and clean the lavs and such. They said they would only clear customs if the plane was found to have a technical issue and couldn't take off. but the crew would switch in BNE.

And of course, because I was in an F pod, I really didn't care. A flat bed is a flat bed, right? But luckily we got in with 7 minutes to spare. The Captain was quite nervous about it, and the F/As would update us routinely. But we just made it before curfew.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 12):
I supect that NAN was more a diversion for fuel reasons, which was apprently more common then.

Probably. It was in the pre-744ER era.



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11753 times:



Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
4. What is the purpose for aircraft swapping at LAX for Qantas' flights? For example flight 11 to flight 8.

To perform acft maintenance. Qantas opened a maintenance "base" at LAX in 2006 -in the ex-TWA hanger).



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11720 times:



Quoting Yvrsr (Reply 5):
I took this flight on a Friday in June 2005 as part of a YVR-LAX-SYD trip. It left 30 minutes late from LAX and battled strong head winds. There wasn't enough fuel make it all the way to Sydney, so the plane landed in Brisbane, fueled up, and then made it into Sydney just before curfew.

Headwinds should not cause LAX-SYD to need to divert for fuel on the 744. They would have had to divert if weather was bad and they needed to have MEL listed as an alternate airport for arrival. What probably happened was that they put more cargo on the plane which limited the amount of fuel that they could carry. Since it was a light passenger load, they probably thought that QF8 would be the best flight to make a tech stop.



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User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11423 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 12):
In the 1990s BNE was never mentioned, NAN was, don't know why. I supect that NAN was more a diversion for fuel reasons, which was apprently more common then.

Perhaps the old BNE airport couldn't take a B747, or didn't have customs/immigration facilities back then?

[Edited 2008-03-06 14:59:18]

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11402 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
Headwinds should not cause LAX-SYD to need to divert for fuel on the 744.

Well according to QF aircraft crew they do! They do get headwinds significiently stronger than forcast from time to time and did put into NAN for fuel. Would be less of a problem on a B744ER.

Quoting Thegeek (Reply 16):
Perhaps the old BNE airport couldn't take a B747, or didn't have customs/immigration facilities back then?

Could be.

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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8269 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11314 times:

QF8 has always been the best option for me. I fly TUL-ORD-LAX at a comfortable time of day, spend the night by LAX and then have a casual morning getting showered, fed and to the airport. Arriving late in the evening in SYD also works very well - faster getting to your hotel room and a good night's sleep, minimizing the jet lag.

My hope is that when QF puts the 380s on that route they leave the 744 on the QF8 flight - I consider it a major problem if QF drops QF8 when they have two 380s flying the red eye.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11247 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
Headwinds should not cause LAX-SYD to need to divert for fuel on the 744.

If they encounter more wind than expected, and they loaded the cargo hold to the brim, they sure will. So rather than plan for the absolute worst, they plan for normal, and if it gets worse, they fuel up in BNE. Otherwise, they'd routinely leave a lot of cargo behind. And that's money down the drain. And from what the crew told me, QF8 isn't full normally, but they use it to carry a lot of cargo that gets "left behind" when the evening flights have to balance weight to get all the pax home.

However you want to look at it, compared to the return on 149 where the F and J cabins were completely full, as a customer, having 3 pax in F (and they said about 15 pax in J) means better service and a quieter flight.



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User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11151 times:



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
My hope is that when QF puts the 380s on that route they leave the 744 on the QF8 flight - I consider it a major problem if QF drops QF8 when they have two 380s flying the red eye.

Another possibility is that QF8 goes to daily, with a smaller F/J cabin and a bigger Y/Y+ cabin. I suppose the problem with that is the plane with the bigger Y/Y+ cabin has to go to LAX, presumably as QF11. This would mean the downsizing of the LAX maintenance base though.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11114 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 16):
Perhaps the old BNE airport couldn't take a B747, or didn't have customs/immigration facilities back then?

Now way, It's been taking 747s since the 70s when they first appeared. Even before the modern international terminal opened in the mid-90s, I personally boarded many Cathay 747s via the stairs, from the old 1960s terminal. It wasn't flash but it certainly could do the job. 4 Million people live in Queensland that that's their main international airport... the place isn't that backwards!.


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10817 times:

A friend and Myself have been tracking his fabourite Qantas Plane....Wunala Dreaming and according to ACARS, the plane did an inbound flight 93 from Melbourne to LAX yesterday the 10th. However on its return back, it operated flight 108 from LAX to Sydney, the second leg of the JFK-LAX-SYD flight.. Was this plane swapped for some reason? Since 93 and 108 depart within a half an hour of each other I was wondering about this...
Anyone have any insight? My friend wants to know why. I told him that if an aircraft swap took place it was per crew scheduling and/or maintenance, possibly for some sort of line check, or maybe since it has been running MEL-SYD all week, they might have wanted it to do some other route....I know that I must be driving some you crazy with al the Wunala Dreaming questions, but I tried to start a "Where's Wunala Dreaming?" thread but it seemed to die.... Sad

Anyway, thank you for indulging my many Wunala and Qantas questions!! You all have been very Qantastic about it!!!

Cheers, Access-Air



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User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10761 times:



Quoting Access-Air (Reply 22):
on its return back, it operated flight 108 from LAX to Sydney

That's crazy. You'd have to swap all the pax and cargo out of the 744 which was flying from JFK. Unless there's more cargo which is MEL bound on flight 108 out of JFK, or the plane from JFK went tech?


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10706 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 23):
or the plane from JFK went tech?

Yes, but Wunana had been sitting empty all day at LAX, so a transfer from one aircraft to another wouldnt be as difficult as you think....I am thinking that it was a maintenance issue or the like...

Access-Air



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25 Ikramerica : No transfer of passengers at all, as you get off in LAX and reboard. As for cargo, QF carries cargo from JFK to LAX, then transfers some to MEL, AKL
26 Thegeek : Wasn't that what I said?
27 Access-Air : Guys, I doubt it had anything to do with cargo, more of a mechaincal situation or a "red-aircraft" situation needing to get to a maintenance facility.
28 Access-Air : Okay.....ACARS website says this: ACARS mode: S Aircraft reg: VH-OEJ [Boeing B744] Message label: SA Block id: 2 Msg no: S14A Flight id: QF0127 [SYD-H
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