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Passport Check After Security And At The Gates LHR  
User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 448 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Hello there,
I am frequent traveller from LHR taking atleast two flights a month over the atlantic. Recently when I fly out of LHR, why do they have a passport check after the security check point and also at the gate? On my return from the States, this policy only apply when I board the flight at the gate. I barely missed my flight as the immigration officer was busy chit chatting with his co-worker. What's the point of immigration officer's checking passport's upon depature as it is already checked by the check-in agent at the ticket counter and the name and picture's verified at the gate as the passengers board. I have noticed that mostly during late departure hours these officers don't even exists, all the passengers scan their shoes and go to the gate, than why waste time in the afternoon?
Rgds,
744

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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Current checks are:

* check-in staff checks passport against name on reservation and establishes (as best they can) passenger's admissibility status to destination, because if the pax isn't admitted then the airline can be fined and forced to return the passenger on the next flight

* gate staff checks passport against boarding card again at gate to ensure person who checked in has not given boarding card to someone else

The above two checks have NOTHING to do with UK Immigration. Also note that at the security checkpoint, they do NOT check passports to deterimine who can go through to departures - just boarding passes (despite the fact that many folks also try to show their passports at security).

At LHR, sometimes UK Immigration check passports after the security check, as you say. UK is moving towards 100% passport checks on exit, so this is going to get more prevalent to the point where in a few years time it always happens. I was advised that at present, the checks are primarily at times of hightend "security", to try to catch folks who are travelling on dodgy documents (immigration officers usually better able to spot this than airline staff), or who have overstayed their welcome (in which case, despite the fact they're leaving, they may not be welcomed back again.

A


User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

INteresting

I have never understood why more often than not there are no passport checks on the way out by the Immigration agents. So Britain has no idea who has left their country, right?

Their checks on the way in are quite stringent, but no one ever checks to see if you've in fact left the country on your return leg... Why is this?


User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

The UK government abandoned exit checks some years ago - cost saving measure, I believe (at a time when illegal immigration wasn't quite the issue it is now). This seems to now be regarded as a mistake because, as you say, the government and immigration authorities don't really know who has stayed beyond when they should. Exit checks are to be reinstated as part of the e-borders project (100% in-out reconcilliation) - but it apparently takes time to recruit immigration officers to do this job and to put the systems in place.

A


User currently offlineCaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

At CWL, for Canadian and American flights, security agents check passports in their systems before pax reach check-in. If anything dodgy is flagged up by their systems, the passenger may not even make it to check-in.
Secondary security checks are made at the gates.
For American flights it is a passport check vs boarding card check, and also a random search check (I.E random body search/bag search on a certain percentage of pax).
For Canadian flights its just a secondary passport vs boarding card check.
Then the gate agents just see the boarding card before passengers board the a/c.
Is this the case in other airports?

744, Was the agent at the gate actually an immigration officer, or could it have been a security agent?


User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

Hello Caaardiff,
There were not immigration officers at the gate but right before the shoe scans, they took almost 20-25 mins of my time and were extremley slow as they were busy chit chatting as my flight was already boarding.
744


User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4467 times:



Quoting Ansett767 (Reply 2):
So Britain has no idea who has left their country, right?

Basically. I look forward to this changing - ASAP.


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

744 - I don't know why they do it, but the passport check before the shoe scan was implemented at least 2 years ago IIRC. AT least it was for terminal 3

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

Indeed the UK abolished exit controls (ie Home Office-run passport checks on departure) back in 1998. They are planning to reintroduce them but it could take a few years for them to return. Indeed many UK terminals still have the "passport control" booths in the security areas just beyond the scanners. Many other countries, including the Schengen nations, have both entry and exit checks as standard.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

I thought that the passport is checked and the data's entered in the airline's database which is forwaded to the customes and immigration. So what if the over staying people leave the country? And for people with doggy passports, can't the airline catch them as they check-in? BTW what do they do with these kinds of people? Like people who stay over? Do these officers really have time and money to go through thousands of passports every day? I think that they should be more strict when people enter the country rather than exiting (just my $0.02 cents).
-744


User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

This is common for US bound flights, at TPE, when you enter the gate waiting areas (once you enter no one will check your passport, visa, etc again), agents will verify you have legal means to enter US. There were many incidents of passengers swapping boarding passes within sterile, transit areas at airports in the past. A very prudent measure.

User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4077 times:



Quoting 744 (Reply 9):
I thought that the passport is checked and the data's entered in the airline's database which is forwaded to the customes and immigration.

APIS is for the USA [and Spain?]. But not for many other contries. And yes, data captured by the airline at checkin (not just passport, but where you're staying, etc, etc) is sent on.

Quoting 744 (Reply 9):
So what if the over staying people leave the country?

They are less likely to be allowed entry if they try to come back to the UK again - that seems reasonable to me.

Quoting 744 (Reply 9):
And for people with doggy passports, can't the airline catch them as they check-in?

Airline or handling agent staff are not so well trained as HM Immigration staff in spotting "dodgy" passports. This has been one of the complaints from airlines for along time with respect to having to return passengers who fail to get admitted at their destination - airlines claim that their check-in staff or agents are not trained fully in immigration law in each country or in spotting "dodgy" passports.

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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4036 times:



Quoting Ansett767 (Reply 2):
So Britain has no idea who has left their country, right?

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Quoting 744 (Thread starter):
why do they have a passport check after the security check point

As has been stated, a number of years ago, the government implemented cost reductions and withdrew the requirement for passports to be checked on outbound flights. Over the years, with more and more illegal immigrants arriving and the threat of terrorism, the immigration authorities began checking passports again at certain times of the day when certain flights to certain destinations were departing, but because they cannot easily single out passengers by destination at the control point, they check all people going through at those times.

When they were re-introduced even just at these limited times, what became apparent very quickly was the sheer volume of "asylum" seekers who were actually travelling back and forth to and from the country that is supposedly too dangerous for them to live in !!!. In a number of cases, these people were taking the money the government was offering them to leave, going back home and then returning a few months later to do it all again thus making a nice little income for themselves and their families. This scam could have been happening for quite a number of years as the authorities had no way of knowing who had left, until they came back in again !!.

The government has finally seen sense and is planing on re-introducing these checks for departures (not too sure if that is non EU or all destinations though) but as has been stated, this will take some time to introduce.

I must say though that I think our immigration staff look 100% better since the introduction of uniforms, they look much more official than they did. It was embarrasing to arrive back in the country to be greeted by what looked like a bunch of badly dressed school teachers when they could wear their own clothes who were our front line of defence !!.

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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

What about airports that have same terminal for domestic and int'l flights, such as ZRH?

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4005 times:
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Quoting 744 (Reply 5):
Hello Caaardiff,
There were not immigration officers at the gate but right before the shoe scans, they took almost 20-25 mins of my time and were extremley slow as they were busy chit chatting as my flight was already boarding.
744

Are you sure they were immigration officers? I doubt very much they were. Were they in uniform? Your general description of the setup and behaviour exhibited leads me to suspect that these were plain-clothed police, not immigration officers. People very often get confused between the two, especially as immigration officers also wore plain clothes until relatively recently.



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Spain indeed has had an APIS service since June 2007. The rest of the Schengen area is supposed to follow suit sometime this year. The Caricom (Caribbean Community) countries also have a shared APIS service.

I have never been to ZRH but with Switzerland entering the Schengen zone later this year the terminal would be divided into separate sterile areas for Schengen and non-Schengen services - airports such as AMS demonstrate this perfectly.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineCoolGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

But why does LHR T3 have passport checks right after security and at the gate but T4 only at the gate?

User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

So how do they figure out if the person has overstayed or had a doggy passport? What do they do to them? I guess deport them back to their country? What else happens to these kinds of people? I was on a NW flight flight from AMS-DTW and as the plane landed, they made announcememtns for passengers to have their passports ready for inspection and called out for three passenger's names to see the immigration officers at the aircraft door? How weird? How did they even manage to fly if there was something wrong with their passports or visa or in general if they overstayed?
744


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