ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3511 posts, RR: 2 Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7270 times:
Does anyone know the pertinent details on the JAL 744 that will be coming to Boston to transport the Boston Red Sox to Japan for their games there? I believe I read that JAL would be handling this outbound flight, but I don't know anything about dates or whatnot. It looks as though their first game in Japan is on Friday the 21st, and they have a home spring training game against Toronto two days before that. So it would appear that Thursday the 20th (or the evening of the 19th) is the 'getaway' day.
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5970 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7257 times:
With Spring training in Florida, why would the Red Sox fly from Boston ? Wouldn't they fly from Florida to Tokyo since this is before their Boston opening in April. I know Boston has a wanting for a flight to Tokyo, if only a brave airline with a 777 would do.
Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1489 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7211 times:
I too was wondering what flight/equipment the L.A. Dodgers are taking from Orlando to Beijing next week???
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3511 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7158 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1): With Spring training in Florida, why would the Red Sox fly from Boston ? Wouldn't they fly from Florida to Tokyo since this is before their Boston opening in April.
Good point. The other theory I had is that a bunch of third-stringers play that last pre-season game against Toronto on the 19th, allowing the 'real' Boston Red Sox to depart whenever (and from wherever) they choose.
HikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7029 times:
Maybe JAL will give them the one with Hideki Matsui on it.
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7006 times:
They love the Red Sox in Japan. When I was in Osaka Last year many locals had Red Sox t shirts. JAL could do this Red Sox team flight for free with all the positive publicity they'll get.
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1): I know Boston has a wanting for a flight to Tokyo, if only a brave airline with a 777 would do.
But wouldn't that airline would make more money flying out of one of the bigger USA cities still not served, or another European Destination. Boston seems like a perfect 787 city.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3511 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6962 times:
Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 4): Maybe JAL will give them the one with Hideki Matsui on it.
Oh yeah, a plane landing in Boston, festooned with a New York Yankees player. That'd be swell.
A Tale of Two Cities, wrapped up in one big 747: "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3511 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6911 times:
OK...I think I have this figured out.
Fenway Sports Group has a package for die-hard Red Sox fans. It's part of their 'Red Sox Destinations' program, and the trip to Japan kicks it off.
The package comprises many things as part of the swing through Japan, including this:
Roundtrip private charter airfare from Boston to Tokyo on a Japan Airlines 747 aircraft along with many Red Sox front office executives
So, this will indeed be a JAL 747-400, from Boston. The choice of aircraft is strange (to me). There's no way that at starting prices of $4,999 (!!!) they are going to fill that plane. I'd think a better choice would be a smaller 777 stopping in Alaska, but we'll see. I guess if they said it was going to be a JAL 744 in their promotional literature, that's what they'd better show up with. Who knows...maybe more than a few of the fans will also be airliner enthusiasts!!
The team may very well jet from Florida, since this one is for the fans. It would be a zoo if they mixed fans and team on the same flight.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3511 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6867 times:
Quoting YULYMX (Reply 9): B777 can reach NRT from BOS with no problems...
OK...thanks. I wasn't sure. I'm just wondering whether they've sold enough seats to warrant that 744. It will indeed make for a nice photo opportunity if it is in Boston during daylight hours and the weather is decent. I'm sure that more than a few aviation/airliner enthusiasts will descend on Logan to happily click away. Kinda shoe-on-the-other-foot, all those Americans taking pictures of something Japanese!
B752os From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6790 times:
Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 5): But wouldn't that airline would make more money flying out of one of the bigger USA cities still not served, or another European Destination. Boston seems like a perfect 787 city.
Boston is currently the largest U.S. city without non-stop service to Asia. The market is there, just to Tokyo alone, about 92,000 people fly BOS-Tokyo a year. Compared to SFO, LAX and NYC that number is small, but put a non-stop on the route and the numbers will easily top 110,000. BOS is going to be a solid 787 city given that the runways are not longth enough for a fully loaded 744 to use it, hence why KE dropped BOS.
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 8): So, this will indeed be a JAL 747-400, from Boston. The choice of aircraft is strange (to me). There's no way that at starting prices of $4,999 (!!!) they are going to fill that plane. I'd think a better choice would be a smaller 777 stopping in Alaska, but we'll see. I guess if they said it was going to be a JAL 744 in their promotional literature, that's what they'd better show up with. Who knows...maybe more than a few of the fans will also be airliner enthusiasts!!
The team may very well jet from Florida, since this one is for the fans. It would be a zoo if they mixed fans and team on the same flight.
Please, the Red Sox will have no problem getting people to do this charter. The red Sox are consistently in the top 3 teams in the league for road attendance and the Red Sox already do charters during the regular season and those aren't cheap either and they always sell out. I see no problem for the Sox getting over 200 people to take the charter.
JAL needs all the positive publicity it can get in Japan to help it compete with ANA which is beating it pretty good.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 5959 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6668 times:
Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 5): But wouldn't that airline would make more money flying out of one of the bigger USA cities still not served
Boston is the biggest USA city still not served But I know what you mean and I sort of agree with it.
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 8): So, this will indeed be a JAL 747-400, from Boston. The choice of aircraft is strange (to me). There's no way that at starting prices of $4,999 (!!!) they are going to fill that plane.
You're underestimating the Red Sox fans. We're talking about the team with the highest ticket prices that sells out every single home game, with some fans paying $100 for parking alone.
Jawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6647 times:
Getting back to the topic, its sounds like there are 2 aircraft at least in this "airlift" to Japan. One with VIPs and Red Sox Execs, and another to carry the team. Am I right?
A380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2357 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6613 times:
Quoting YULYMX (Reply 9): B777 can reach NRT from BOS with no problems...
How about the 787?
Practice makes perfect but no ones perfect so why practice?
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6542 times:
Quoting B752os (Reply 12):
Boston is currently the largest U.S. city without non-stop service to Asia.
Not even as a metro area, but as a city alone its not even close. Boston is the 24th largest city in the USA, while the metro area and for metro areas both Philly and Miami are bigger with no service to Asia. Source US Census Bureau. (2006)
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 5959 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6460 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 16): Not even as a metro area, but as a city alone its not even close. Boston is the 24th largest city in the USA, while the metro area and for metro areas both Philly and Miami are bigger with no service to Asia. Source US Census Bureau. (2006)
That's because the US Census bureau considers the Boston metropolitan area to be basically only Boston and Canbridge which is nowhere near the true reality. If Fort Lauderdale is considered part of the Miami metropolitan area, so are Providence, Worcester, and Lowel part of metropolitan Boston. They certainly are part of the catchement are for BOS, and that is what really matters.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6434 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 16): Not even as a metro area, but as a city alone its not even close. Boston is the 24th largest city in the USA, while the metro area and for metro areas both Philly and Miami are bigger with no service to Asia. Source US Census Bureau. (2006)
I said that wrong. I mean't to say that Boston is the largest market in the U.S. without non-stop service to Asia.
Quoting A380US (Reply 15): Quoting YULYMX (Reply 9):
B777 can reach NRT from BOS with no problems...
How about the 787?
The 787 is going to be the perfect aircraft to operate BOS-Asia and make solid profits. BOS does not have long enough runways to have a fully loaded (full pax, full cargo, full fuel). KE cut BOS as a result, they would have to limit the pax and cargo they could send.
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6409 times:
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Quoting B752OS (Reply 19): BOS does not have long enough runways to have a fully loaded (full pax, full cargo, full fuel).
Could The new 777F make it in and out of Boston to NRT ?
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3315 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6367 times:
Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 4): Maybe JAL will give them the one with Hideki Matsui on it.
Doesn't exist anymore. Plus it was a -400D.
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 8): The choice of aircraft is strange (to me).
Not really. Almost all of JAL's charters use the 747-400. JAL has 31 747-400s (not counting the -400Ds) compared to 18 777-200ER/-300ERs. JAL has been downgauging many 747-400 flights to the 777, which means they have 747-400s available for charters, but not 777s.
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 10): I'm just wondering whether they've sold enough seats to warrant that 744.
It doesn't really matter. It seems that the Red Sox may have chartered 2 747s for the trip. Money has already been put down by the Red Sox and it's too late to cancel. Any tour packages they sell is just icing on the cake as they are just selling seats that would have been empty. They probably wouldn't have recouped the cost for the charter even if they sold all the available seats.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1691 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6268 times:
You know, I wonder why the American teams don't play the Japanese teams that often. Those games would be sellouts IMO. Maybe Dice-K and Okajima will be the final push for those flights to NRT if the Sox do well this year. I'm surprised that JL is doing the flight, since DL is the official airline of the Boston Red Sox. I wonder how much it will cost for tickets. I mean, it can't be any more expensive than Fenway Park!
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6242 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 22): You know, I wonder why the American teams don't play the Japanese teams that often. Those games would be sellouts IMO. Maybe Dice-K and Okajima will be the final push for those flights to NRT if the Sox do well this year. I'm surprised that JL is doing the flight, since DL is the official airline of the Boston Red Sox. I wonder how much it will cost for tickets. I mean, it can't be any more expensive than Fenway Park!
Sure the novelty during Spring Training is nice, but that is all it will be, exhibitions during March. I don't know if Dice-K and Okajima will be the main reason for flights to NRT, but Boston sure has gotten a large boost in recognition over in Japan aside from the HUGE number of Japanese that come to study at the colleges and universities in Boston as well as Metro Boston. I would imagine DL is not doing the charters because they don't have 2 777s to spare to operate the charters.
Quoting Ha763 (Reply 21): It doesn't really matter. It seems that the Red Sox may have chartered 2 747s for the trip. Money has already been put down by the Red Sox and it's too late to cancel. Any tour packages they sell is just icing on the cake as they are just selling seats that would have been empty. They probably wouldn't have recouped the cost for the charter even if they sold all the available seats.
Why would they cancel? The Red Sox will have no problems paying for the charters and they also will have no problem selling the seats. I know 8 people that are going on the charter, these will be very popular. I don't think its far fetched to say that a few hundred people will pay for the charters. This is the Red Sox, not the Florida Marlins.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3511 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6221 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 22): You know, I wonder why the American teams don't play the Japanese teams that often.
I think standing in the way of that is a thing called the MLB Players' Union. Not a lot can happen in that sport without the Union holding court on it.
25 Ha763: I was responding to another poster. I never said that it was an option. Read my post again.
26 Jcarv: I do have some information about the JAL flight from BOS. It is for the fans/front office. I know nothing about the team. This is from the ground han
27 AA737-823: We received notice today (here at JAL Anchorage) that the aircraft will stop here enroute BOS-ANC-NRT. I look forward to servicing this flight at the
28 Jawake: I have brought it up. The charter flight seem like it was just for execs & fans. So what about the players and their families? It was also talked abo
29 AA737-823: Well, our bird is only doing BOS-ANC-NRT. It's got to ferry from Boston somewhere, as I don't think we serve BOS as ascheduled destination. I don't k
30 BOStonsox: No, you guys don't serve BOS (yet). Is there anywhere in the continental US where you guys RON your planes for a few days? That way you can send it t
31 AA737-823: I don't know, we're cargo here at ANC. But, we also handle all PAX charters to ANC, and our office also handles the Fairbanks charters. Any aircraft
32 AirCop: So is JAL sending a 744 to Sky Harbor for the Oakland A's who will be playing the Red Sox in Japan.
33 AA737-823: Hardly worth it for them- let them fly Nippon.
34 Servisair: Ok... I'm not too sure about the BOS flight but the Red Sox are "chartering" a JAL 747-400 in RSW as well. NRT - RSW - ORD - NRT The team flies with t
35 Flighty: They could use a 757 BOS-ANC-NRT with no particular problem. UA or AA should be able to offer it. BOS-ANC 3383 mi ANC-NRT 3434 mi total 6816 mi nonsto
36 ChrisNH: Geez...any aircraft enthusiast down there not knowing what's going on is absolutely going to pee their pants if they see a JAL 747 coming into their
37 Krsw757: This is sweet! If it is for sure coming to RSW, I'll definatley be out there taking some pics.
38 Servisair: Make sure you are in your spot by 1400 and be ready for departue at 1800
39 Bond007: Yeah, never question these 747 flights ... the Japanese are crazy about their baseball and will do it. A couple of years back we had 2 JAL B744s in S
40 MAH4546: Miami has non-stops to Tel Aviv; Philadelphia will soon have non-stops to China (assuming US Airways goes through with it). How do you figure that? T
41 Airbazar: I was referring to the catchment area for BOS. Logan serves a lot more than Boston metro area. Boston may not be the largest city without non-stop se
42 Jawake: Thank you Thank you! This is what I have been trying to figure out. The JAL 747 out of BOS seemed it was not for the players, and someone had pointed
43 ChrisNH: Probably. There's no way they'd put fans and team on the same plane, so it's likely that two 747s will be coming back to Boston after this Asian swin
44 B752OS: Actually only 1 744 will be returning to BOS as the Sox leave Tokyo and head to Los Angeles to play the Dodgers in a exhibition. I have tickets to al
45 Ha763: Probably yes. We got a request from our LAX station for empty LD-3s for a charter from PHX. Plus, the schedule show a ferry flight from OAK on the 27
46 ChrisNH: Are any of the 747-400s that JAL might be using into/out of Boston carrying a 'themed' (eg Pokemon) paint scheme, or are those only domestic domestic
47 Krsw757: Anyone have any updates as far as if the flight is still coming to RSW and if so, the expected arrival time?
48 EMBQA: I don't think the flight is departing from Ft. Myers. The Red Sox web site has a travel package that allows you to travel with the team to Japan and
49 Spacecadet: JAL doesn't have Pokemon, that's ANA. They have a promotional deal with Nintendo. JAL doesn't have a whole lot of themed planes, and none of them run
50 Krsw757: Well thats a real bummer. Was kind of looking forward to seeing it come into here.
51 EMBQA: I guess we'll know for sure tommorow. They play the Blue Jays at noon... then will need to hit the road right after that as they play in Japan Friday
52 Servisair: The 747 "WILL" be in RSW tomorrow and "WILL" take off with the Red Sox on board. 1400 arrival / 1755 Departure. Gate B1. Can't say anymore... Bring yo
53 Krsw757: You need not say anymore. Thanks for the info!!! I'll definately be out there getting some pics. Just seems odd that would be using a gate for nearly
54 Servisair: It's an international arrival so they don't have much choice. (B1 / B3 are international gates) No room to put it anywhere near the new terminal and k
55 EMBQA: The Sox will be playing a game when the plane arrives......even a 6pm departure will be pushing it
56 ChrisNH: There are two distinct flights here. One, carrying the players, leaves from RSW. Then, a day or so later, another 747 flies from Boston carrying Red
57 B752OS: Both 744s will not be coming back to BOS as the Sox are out in Los Angeles for 3 exhibition games right after the Japan trip. There is only 1 day bet
58 Airbazar: Looks like that even if there is a flight, it will go via ORD. http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._japan_boycott_if_staff_isnt_paid/ "The Red Sox
59 Krsw757: I was just about to leave to go to the airport when I saw this. Anyone know where the plane is coming from so I can try and track it?
60 ChrisNH: Maybe it still will be a JAL 747, but it'll stop for fuel at ORD rather than a more typical place like ANC? I have no idea, but I hope our plane-spott
61 Apodino: This may not happen at all. The players are threatening to boycott the game if Terry Francona isn't paid a stipend like the players are. I think they
62 ChrisNH: Just to be fair and accurate here, for those who may feel that this is a 'Boston Red Sox' thing; it's not. This is Major League Baseball who reneged o
63 Drewfly: Actually it's not just Tito but all the coaches. The $40,000 stipend may seem small in comparison to Terry's new contract, but for the other lesser p
64 B752OS: This has nothing to do about Terry Francona being paid. Terry even said it himself, he doesn't care about it, to the other coaches, this $40,000 is a
65 ChrisNH: In point of fact, this $40,000 eclipses at least the salary of one coach...which is only $30,000. The solidarity by the players is phenomenal here, an
66 APFPilot1985: I don't see any 744's on flight aware for RSW
67 Krsw757: It came in right on time. I was only able to catch a video of it and it was really windy today so its probably not the greatest footage. I'll post it
68 ChrisNH: Indeed it did. Flight 8067 came all the way into KRSW from Japan. Interestingly, www.flytecomm.com showed it but FlightAware didn't. It was a 747-400
69 Airbazar: I would think that a 744, especially a lightly loaded one, could make it non-stop to Japan.
70 RobertS975: So what is the JAL charter flight number and ETD?
71 EMBQA: I'd say a couple of hours.. they just finished their last Spring Training game and will now pack up and head out.....if they go. I heard there was a
72 Servisair: I just got home after a crazy day! There going, there not going... We really didn't get the final word until about 1400. They all show up and the plan
73 RobertS975: JAL 8807 stops at ORD before proceeding to NRT. This may be a catering issue or perhaps a crew issue. It is certainly not an otherwise logical place f
74 AAL0616: The Red Sox team charter is enroute (not to be confused with the upcoming management and fan charter which departs from KBOS). At 2318 EDT (now), Flyt
75 AAL0616: Good morning in the Eastern US time zone. A corrrection and update. JAL 8807 from ORD (Red Sox) is headed for RJTT (Haneda) and not RJAA (Narita) acco
76 ChrisNH: Isn't today when JAL flies a 747 from LAX to BOS so it can ferry the team executives and fans to Japan? Is that showing up on either FlightAware or Fl
78 GOCAPS16: It'd be nice to catch a MLB game here in Tokyo. Anyone else is planning to attend the opening season?
79 CALMSP: thats my question. There is a pic of Manny on MLB.COM that states "manny ramirez waves as he walks through Haneda International Airport" i anticipate
80 AAL0616: Speaking of Manny and the other Red Sox, according to Boston sports-talk radio this afternoon, there was apparently disappointment among the players
81 EMBQA: The Red Sox have a game with a local team on Friday (not sure were) then play the A's next week...and / or maybe that is where JAL wanted to have the
82 Viscount724: More on their flight to Japan. http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...sted_sox/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed1
83 Carpethead: Simple RJTT (HND) doesn't have a curfew while RJAA (NRT) does. JL probably sent their oldest and crappiest interior 744 for the BoSox. Probably the o
84 ChrisNH: Not quite getting that bit of editorializing. The plane for the Boston fans leaves Logan tomorrow (Saturday).
85 AAL0616: According to local Boston television news, showing video and interviews of the Red Sox arrival at RJTT, passengers on their flight used laptops, etc.
86 B752OS: In case anyone was wondering, the Red Sox have sold about 260 packages through their tour offering, so all of those people including other press and f
87 Airbazar: Anyone have the schedule for this flight and what terminal it will be using? I'm flying out of BOS tomorrow night.
88 JCarv: Charter flight leaves BOS on Saturday morning at 0700L from Terminal E gate E6.
89 ChrisNH: Flight 8826 is due in from LAX after 4am; in flight now. I hope someone is able to get over to Logan for that real early departure three hours later!
90 RobertS975: The JAL charter from BOS to NRT (not Haneda) is JA 8847... technical stop in ANC.
92 Sokol: I been waiting 3 days for this flights to take some pictures here in Anchorage ANC and I missed , That was JA8078 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J
93 B752OS: " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...L8847 Is it me, or does it seem flightaware may be off on the flight time between BOS-ANC?
94 EMBQA: WoW.. good for them and good for RED SOX NATION...!!!! Those stated at $5000....!!!! A few people have noted issues with other flights. I think it mu
95 AA737-823: 251 revenue passengers. That's our most frequently used bird for charters. She was dirty yesterday, too... maybe flew through some rain or something,
96 B752OS: What did the total load work out to be? I would imagine it would be over 300 people adding in the Red Sox office people and press.
97 AA737-823: 251 total passengers. One man with the office people stayed on board after the passengers got off here for fueling. He seemed pretty cool. But he wou
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