PDXBJV From Turkey, joined Apr 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5802 times:
I was looking at Wikipedia today, and it happened to mention that the service to Singapore was going to end on May 30th. I know that Wikipedia's not the most reliable source, but can anyone elaborate why?? Are they going to have the PDX-NRT flight terminate at NRT or will we be given a new 1 stop destination?
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3017 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5783 times:
All of NW's destinations in Asia are one-stop from PDX. The "direct" flight to SIN is simply a marketing ploy, as is the "direct" SEA-ICN, LAX-HKG, and DTW-PVG flights that they offer. Unless NW is planning on dropping SIN all together (or PDX-NRT), the one-stop option to SIN won't go away. SIN is too important of a market to drop all together, and I doubt they'd cancel PDX-NRT either.
Simairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 813 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5754 times:
Many of Northwest's flight numbers to/from Asia may be changing in the next few months. That's all.
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5706 times:
Yep, Intel management would rejoice if NW offered PDX-SIN nonstop...the above replies are correct, it's just the end of the "direct" one-stop flight (with the same flight number) that connects at NRT.
Then again, Intel managers would really love it if SQ offered PDX-SIN nonstop . Does the USA have open skies with Singapore?
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PDXBJV From Turkey, joined Apr 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5587 times:
I am aware of it being one-stop, my question was directed at what will take the place of SIN if it will be dropped in May, or if it will just be PDX-NRT-PDX
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21244 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5578 times:
Quoting PDXBJV (Reply 5): I am aware of it being one-stop, my question was directed at what will take the place of SIN if it will be dropped in May, or if it will just be PDX-NRT-PDX
PUS is taking the place of SIN (with a change of gauge at NRT). Of course, the whole thing is largely an academic exercise...
Quoting TPAPDX (Reply 4): When looking at June 1st, NW5 operates one-stop PDX-NRT-PUS (Pusan Korea). It is a change of gauge from 332 to 75X via NRT.
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PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5454 times:
The joys of a "direct" flight...
DOMESTIC: Arrive at the airport...wait for the airline personnel to tell you if your "direct" flight requires a change of plane and a change of gate. At DFW once, I encountered this - along with a discovery of just how BIG DFW is!!
INTERNATIONAL: Arrive at the airport. Get off the plane. Go through customs - whether just transitting (like NW's hub at NRT) or full customs (like transitting anywhere in the U.S.). Get your bags. Re-check in, if necessary. Board your next flight.
I've never understood the concept of a "direct" flight...even domestically, some airlines make you leave the plane because of "cleaning". Why bother?
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Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 30 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5334 times:
There is a huge interport flight number shuffle that will take place May 31/June 1. All the US-Japan flight numbers remain the same, but the interport with change.
Also - NRT-BKK will upgage to a 333 thereby releasing a 332 from duty so that SEA-LHR can commence on June 1.
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3017 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5231 times:
Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 8): Also - NRT-BKK will upgage to a 333 thereby releasing a 332 from duty so that SEA-LHR can commence on June 1.
Ah yes, I was wondering where the SEA-LHR plane was coming from! I'm assuming the 333 will be one of the ones cycled through HNL.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6): PUS is taking the place of SIN (with a change of gauge at NRT). Of course, the whole thing is largely an academic exercise...
Absolutely. I've taken the "direct" SEA-ICN flight on NW, and of course there's nothing direct about the 90-minute layover at NRT (including going through security). In fact, it was more annoying than anything else because I had to have the same seat and boarding pass for both legs, plus it all credited to my Alaska Airlines account as one flight, scamming me out of a few miles!
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 30 Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5173 times:
It seems as if flight 21 will be a through flight HNL-NRT-BKK. The timings are such that the same a/c will be used. They'll have increased flexibility with this 333 into and out of the interport system. Now it seems that there will be 4 333 arrivals and departures each day with 5 operating 3 times a week when the second SEA-NRT-SEA section operates.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5117 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7): INTERNATIONAL: Arrive at the airport. Get off the plane. Go through customs - whether just transitting (like NW's hub at NRT) or full customs (like transitting anywhere in the U.S.). Get your bags. Re-check in, if necessary. Board your next flight.
Um, unless something has changed at NRT, you are incorrect. Last time I connected at NRT (DTW-NRT-TPE), I simply walked from gate to gate. No Japanese customs, checked bags were transferred. I didn't clear customs until I arrived in TPE.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4978 times:
Quote: Um, unless something has changed at NRT, you are incorrect. Last time I connected at NRT (DTW-NRT-TPE), I simply walked from gate to gate. No Japanese customs, checked bags were transferred. I didn't clear customs until I arrived in TPE.
GLAD to be mistaken on that one!! Apparently some countries' transit policies are pretty easy to deal with...that definitely would make an NRT transfer fairly stress-free!!
Thank you for pointing it out.
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When you fly SPN-NGO-NRT there is a security check at NRT but no customs unless you are coming from SPN and your final destination is NRT. At NGO I think there is also a security check unless NGO is your final destination. But when I flew NGO-NRT I don't think anyone was getting off at NRT. Everyone went through security and transfered to the NW/skyteam system.
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Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4301 times:
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 11): Um, unless something has changed at NRT, you are incorrect. Last time I connected at NRT (DTW-NRT-TPE), I simply walked from gate to gate. No Japanese customs, checked bags were transferred. I didn't clear customs until I arrived in TPE.
I guess quite a few things have changed at NRT since you were there, since NW has not operated NRT-TPE for quite some time now. At present they only have KIX-TPE, the continuation of NW69 DTW-KIX.
I've been through NRT three times is the past year and every time I've had to clear security - no customs. Of course if you're not connecting you must clear customs, but for all connecting passengers you must clear Japanese security.
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 16): I've been through NRT three times is the past year and every time I've had to clear security - no customs.
Everyone deplaning in NRT transferring to another flight must go through security once again. This has been the case for several years.
If you are headed to GUM on the next mornings flight, you must clear customs and immigration.
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3168 times:
Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 17): If you are headed to GUM on the next mornings flight, you must clear customs and immigration.
This is correct.
However, NW does have an evening GUM flight too, timed for US arrivals into NRT - just a 757 not A333. NW also has an evening SPN flight from NRT, it just connects through NGO, NW77. I'm not sure on the exact times, but NW77 NRT-NGO departs at about the same time bank as the other "south" flights depart, then arrives into NGO and continues onto SPN. Due to cabotage rules, passengers on the NRT-NGO flight must be arriving from from outside of Japan and continuing to NGO, or they must be originating in NRT and continuing to SPN - no domestic O&D NRT-NGO pax are allowed to be carried.
Aisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 757 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9): Absolutely. I've taken the "direct" SEA-ICN flight on NW, and of course there's nothing direct about the 90-minute layover at NRT (including going through security). In fact, it was more annoying than anything else because I had to have the same seat and boarding pass for both legs, plus it all credited to my Alaska Airlines account as one flight, scamming me out of a few miles!
Well, that's the difference about non-stop and direct. And even not condidering that. To be able to fly NRT-ICN NW has to fly SEA-NRT (or any other airport in the US for that matter). That's because the Japan-Asia flights are operated under 5th freedom rights and they have to start in the US altough there may be a change of planes. Of couse, as it was one flight you were only given the miles from origin of your flight to the destination of your flight. You also know that "miles" do not imply "actual miles flown by the aircraft".
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3017 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2408 times:
Quoting Aisak (Reply 19): Well, that's the difference about non-stop and direct. And even not condidering that. To be able to fly NRT-ICN NW has to fly SEA-NRT (or any other airport in the US for that matter). That's because the Japan-Asia flights are operated under 5th freedom rights and they have to start in the US altough there may be a change of planes. Of couse, as it was one flight you were only given the miles from origin of your flight to the destination of your flight. You also know that "miles" do not imply "actual miles flown by the aircraft".
Yes, and I knew all that going into it. My only point was that these "direct" flights that NW is selling have no benefit over any other flight through the NRT hub, that's all.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2093 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3): Does the USA have open skies with Singapore?
The United States and Singapore have been enlightened and have abolished the archaic rules with regards to the restriction of services between the two countries. Yes, they do have Open Skies.
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1959 times:
Quoting ZL (Reply 23): It seems DTW-NRT is going to be 1x daily. sad news. Isn't the route profitable?
I just checked, and both NW25 and NW11 are both on the schedules for this summer. Where are you getting this info??
25 ZL: Sorry my mistake. When I tried to book a DTW-NRT one way, NW25 shows on the top while 11 is quite some distance down the list and I didn't find it ou
26 AmtrakGuy: I've been meaning to ask -- Are NGO (Nagoya) and NRT (Narita) aiprots in Tokyo area? If so, how far apart are they? How long is the flight between NGO
27 Viscount724: A little over 200 miles, about the same as New York-Washington. NGO is the 4th largest city in Japan, about 2.2 million, and the center of the 3rd la
28 MAS777: Would be nice to see a return on NW31 SEA-KIX-KUL... even if its just a 753 ex-KIX (if it had the legs) Kuala Lumpur continues to lack any US carriers
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