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NW Ending SIN Service From PDX?  
User currently offlinePDXBJV From Turkey, joined Apr 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

I was looking at Wikipedia today, and it happened to mention that the service to Singapore was going to end on May 30th. I know that Wikipedia's not the most reliable source, but can anyone elaborate why?? Are they going to have the PDX-NRT flight terminate at NRT or will we be given a new 1 stop destination?


TK787 PDX-BJV direct????
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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

All of NW's destinations in Asia are one-stop from PDX. The "direct" flight to SIN is simply a marketing ploy, as is the "direct" SEA-ICN, LAX-HKG, and DTW-PVG flights that they offer. Unless NW is planning on dropping SIN all together (or PDX-NRT), the one-stop option to SIN won't go away. SIN is too important of a market to drop all together, and I doubt they'd cancel PDX-NRT either.

User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

Many of Northwest's flight numbers to/from Asia may be changing in the next few months. That's all.

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Yep, Intel management would rejoice if NW offered PDX-SIN nonstop...the above replies are correct, it's just the end of the "direct" one-stop flight (with the same flight number) that connects at NRT.

Then again, Intel managers would really love it if SQ offered PDX-SIN nonstop Big grin . Does the USA have open skies with Singapore?



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User currently offlineTPAPDX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

When looking at June 1st, NW5 operates one-stop PDX-NRT-PUS (Pusan Korea). It is a change of gauge from 332 to 75X via NRT.

User currently offlinePDXBJV From Turkey, joined Apr 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

I am aware of it being one-stop, my question was directed at what will take the place of SIN if it will be dropped in May, or if it will just be PDX-NRT-PDX


TK787 PDX-BJV direct????
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6400 times:



Quoting PDXBJV (Reply 5):
I am aware of it being one-stop, my question was directed at what will take the place of SIN if it will be dropped in May, or if it will just be PDX-NRT-PDX

PUS is taking the place of SIN (with a change of gauge at NRT). Of course, the whole thing is largely an academic exercise...

Quoting TPAPDX (Reply 4):
When looking at June 1st, NW5 operates one-stop PDX-NRT-PUS (Pusan Korea). It is a change of gauge from 332 to 75X via NRT.




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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

The joys of a "direct" flight...

DOMESTIC: Arrive at the airport...wait for the airline personnel to tell you if your "direct" flight requires a change of plane and a change of gate. At DFW once, I encountered this - along with a discovery of just how BIG DFW is!!

INTERNATIONAL: Arrive at the airport. Get off the plane. Go through customs - whether just transitting (like NW's hub at NRT) or full customs (like transitting anywhere in the U.S.). Get your bags. Re-check in, if necessary. Board your next flight.

I've never understood the concept of a "direct" flight...even domestically, some airlines make you leave the plane because of "cleaning". Why bother?



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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3799 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

There is a huge interport flight number shuffle that will take place May 31/June 1. All the US-Japan flight numbers remain the same, but the interport with change.

Also - NRT-BKK will upgage to a 333 thereby releasing a 332 from duty so that SEA-LHR can commence on June 1.


AZJ


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6053 times:



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 8):
Also - NRT-BKK will upgage to a 333 thereby releasing a 332 from duty so that SEA-LHR can commence on June 1.

Ah yes, I was wondering where the SEA-LHR plane was coming from! I'm assuming the 333 will be one of the ones cycled through HNL.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
PUS is taking the place of SIN (with a change of gauge at NRT). Of course, the whole thing is largely an academic exercise...

Absolutely. I've taken the "direct" SEA-ICN flight on NW, and of course there's nothing direct about the 90-minute layover at NRT (including going through security). In fact, it was more annoying than anything else because I had to have the same seat and boarding pass for both legs, plus it all credited to my Alaska Airlines account as one flight, scamming me out of a few miles!


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3799 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

It seems as if flight 21 will be a through flight HNL-NRT-BKK. The timings are such that the same a/c will be used. They'll have increased flexibility with this 333 into and out of the interport system. Now it seems that there will be 4 333 arrivals and departures each day with 5 operating 3 times a week when the second SEA-NRT-SEA section operates.



AZJ


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3277 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5939 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
INTERNATIONAL: Arrive at the airport. Get off the plane. Go through customs - whether just transitting (like NW's hub at NRT) or full customs (like transitting anywhere in the U.S.). Get your bags. Re-check in, if necessary. Board your next flight.

Um, unless something has changed at NRT, you are incorrect. Last time I connected at NRT (DTW-NRT-TPE), I simply walked from gate to gate. No Japanese customs, checked bags were transferred. I didn't clear customs until I arrived in TPE.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

Currently NRT-SIN is NW5
From Jun NRT-SIN is NW19

Currently NRT-MNL is NW19
From June NRT-MNL is NW1

Currently NRT-HKG is NW1
From June NRT-HKG is NW11

Currently NRT-PEK is NW11
From June NRT-PEK is NW9

Currently NRT-CAN is NW9
From June NRT-CAN is NW27

Currently NRT-BKK is NW27
From June NRT-BKK is NW21

Currently HNL-NRT is NW21

It goes on and on...
We need a chart or the number changes.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5800 times:



Quote:
Um, unless something has changed at NRT, you are incorrect. Last time I connected at NRT (DTW-NRT-TPE), I simply walked from gate to gate. No Japanese customs, checked bags were transferred. I didn't clear customs until I arrived in TPE.

GLAD to be mistaken on that one!! Apparently some countries' transit policies are pretty easy to deal with...that definitely would make an NRT transfer fairly stress-free!!

Thank you for pointing it out.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5584 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 13):


When you fly SPN-NGO-NRT there is a security check at NRT but no customs unless you are coming from SPN and your final destination is NRT. At NGO I think there is also a security check unless NGO is your final destination. But when I flew NGO-NRT I don't think anyone was getting off at NRT. Everyone went through security and transfered to the NW/skyteam system.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5538 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 12):


Been looking at the data. There are some major changes here.

NW1
Was LAX-NRT-HKG
Is LAX-NRT-MNL

NW9
Was HNL-NRT-CAN
Is HNL-NRT-PEK

NW11
Was DTW-NRT-PEK
Is ???-NRT-HKG

These seem strange. Why change PEK's starting point from DTW to HNL?
Anyone know where the HKG flight is now going to start from?

Are there some hints here of some major changes in aircraft usage and routes? Possible cuts or re-routing?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5123 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 11):
Um, unless something has changed at NRT, you are incorrect. Last time I connected at NRT (DTW-NRT-TPE), I simply walked from gate to gate. No Japanese customs, checked bags were transferred. I didn't clear customs until I arrived in TPE.

I guess quite a few things have changed at NRT since you were there, since NW has not operated NRT-TPE for quite some time now. At present they only have KIX-TPE, the continuation of NW69 DTW-KIX.

I've been through NRT three times is the past year and every time I've had to clear security - no customs. Of course if you're not connecting you must clear customs, but for all connecting passengers you must clear Japanese security.



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4171 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 16):
I've been through NRT three times is the past year and every time I've had to clear security - no customs.

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Everyone deplaning in NRT transferring to another flight must go through security once again. This has been the case for several years.

If you are headed to GUM on the next mornings flight, you must clear customs and immigration.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3990 times:



Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 17):
If you are headed to GUM on the next mornings flight, you must clear customs and immigration.

This is correct.

However, NW does have an evening GUM flight too, timed for US arrivals into NRT - just a 757 not A333. NW also has an evening SPN flight from NRT, it just connects through NGO, NW77. I'm not sure on the exact times, but NW77 NRT-NGO departs at about the same time bank as the other "south" flights depart, then arrives into NGO and continues onto SPN. Due to cabotage rules, passengers on the NRT-NGO flight must be arriving from from outside of Japan and continuing to NGO, or they must be originating in NRT and continuing to SPN - no domestic O&D NRT-NGO pax are allowed to be carried.



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 760 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3332 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9):
Absolutely. I've taken the "direct" SEA-ICN flight on NW, and of course there's nothing direct about the 90-minute layover at NRT (including going through security). In fact, it was more annoying than anything else because I had to have the same seat and boarding pass for both legs, plus it all credited to my Alaska Airlines account as one flight, scamming me out of a few miles!

Well, that's the difference about non-stop and direct. And even not condidering that. To be able to fly NRT-ICN NW has to fly SEA-NRT (or any other airport in the US for that matter). That's because the Japan-Asia flights are operated under 5th freedom rights and they have to start in the US altough there may be a change of planes. Of couse, as it was one flight you were only given the miles from origin of your flight to the destination of your flight. You also know that "miles" do not imply "actual miles flown by the aircraft".


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3230 times:



Quoting Aisak (Reply 19):
Well, that's the difference about non-stop and direct. And even not condidering that. To be able to fly NRT-ICN NW has to fly SEA-NRT (or any other airport in the US for that matter). That's because the Japan-Asia flights are operated under 5th freedom rights and they have to start in the US altough there may be a change of planes. Of couse, as it was one flight you were only given the miles from origin of your flight to the destination of your flight. You also know that "miles" do not imply "actual miles flown by the aircraft".

Yes, and I knew all that going into it. My only point was that these "direct" flights that NW is selling have no benefit over any other flight through the NRT hub, that's all.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3223 times:



Quoting Aisak (Reply 19):
That's because the Japan-Asia flights are operated under 5th freedom rights and they have to start in the US

Except of course for GUM and SPN which operate under 3rd/4th freedom rights from Japan since they're US territories.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2915 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Does the USA have open skies with Singapore?

The United States and Singapore have been enlightened and have abolished the archaic rules with regards to the restriction of services between the two countries. Yes, they do have Open Skies.



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User currently offlineZL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2885 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 15):
Possible cuts or re-routing?

It seems DTW-NRT is going to be 1x daily. sad news. Isn't the route profitable?


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2781 times:



Quoting ZL (Reply 23):
It seems DTW-NRT is going to be 1x daily. sad news. Isn't the route profitable?

I just checked, and both NW25 and NW11 are both on the schedules for this summer. Where are you getting this info??



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25 ZL : Sorry my mistake. When I tried to book a DTW-NRT one way, NW25 shows on the top while 11 is quite some distance down the list and I didn't find it ou
26 AmtrakGuy : I've been meaning to ask -- Are NGO (Nagoya) and NRT (Narita) aiprots in Tokyo area? If so, how far apart are they? How long is the flight between NGO
27 Viscount724 : A little over 200 miles, about the same as New York-Washington. NGO is the 4th largest city in Japan, about 2.2 million, and the center of the 3rd la
28 MAS777 : Would be nice to see a return on NW31 SEA-KIX-KUL... even if its just a 753 ex-KIX (if it had the legs) Kuala Lumpur continues to lack any US carriers
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