BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13698 times:
When one really looks at it, it seems like a nice plan.. Like a flying bus that departs every hour. But are there really enough people going to the shuttle destinations every day to keep this thing flying? And what about ticket prices? If this is really as successful as it seems, shouldn't tickets on the shuttle be $30.00 one way, considering it is a bus in the air.
I'm sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but frankly, I'm kind of stumped as to what the operation is really for.
Rbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13677 times:
The shuttle was originally designed to appeal to business/government travellers by offering frequent flights with no reservation required and a guaranteed seat at departure time. They also offered faster check in.
What it has morphed into, I don't know. I do know that trains between Wash DC-NY-Boston are getting more and more copmpetitive, and the time spent door to door may even be lower.
Since most passengers are business travellers, the fares could be higher than you standard "milk run" route.
The shuttle was largely the creation of two pilots, who thought it would keep in service some aging aircraft, and some Eastern executives, who thought that a frequent no-reservation service would be popular with travelers between New York and Washington.
Capt. Eddie Rickenbacker, the founder of the airline, gave his blessing, and the shuttle made its debut on April 30, 1961, with 32 flights that day between Washington and New York. It carried about 640 passengers that day, and by now has carried more than 60 million.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13473 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3): Unfortunately those items don't mention the beginnings of the Shuttle which originated with an Eastern Airlines idea in 1961.
It is true that Eastern did come up with the shuttle idea however the DL Shuttle came from PA and was started by PA . The US Shuttle originally was the Eastern Shuttle and was bought by Donald Trump from Eastern. Some loans were defaulted on by the shuttle and US was given the management contract of the shuttle by the banks. US bought it outright in the mid to late 90's.
Air Canada also operates a shuttle operation called "Rapidair" between Toronto and Ottawa/Montreal.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24783 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13433 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 4): Air Canada also operates a shuttle operation called "Rapidair" between Toronto and Ottawa/Montreal.
AC's operation is just AC's normal domestic service and flights can be on anything from an Embraer to a 777-300ER. They've used the "Rapidair" brand name for those flights for years for marketing purposes but there's nothing unusual or distinctive about them, certainly nothing like the original LGA-DCA/BOS shuttle concept of no-reservations with backup aircraft.
Jfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13388 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 6): The point has always been convenience, not price.
This is true. I used to fly on business DCA-LGA quite often, and they had a ticketing ATM basically. You just walk up, swipe your credit card, and it will sell you a ticket on the next departing flight. The whole transaction took less than 2 minutes, and was very convenient since I never knew how long my meetings would last. No reservations needed, and tickets were about $200 one-way at the time (this was 8-9 years ago I recall).
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13218 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7): AC's operation is just AC's normal domestic service and flights can be on anything from an Embraer to a 777-300ER. They've used the "Rapidair" brand name for those flights for years for marketing purposes but there's nothing unusual or distinctive about them, certainly nothing like the original LGA-DCA/BOS shuttle concept of no-reservations with backup aircraft.
It's still the same basic idea high frequency service between major business destinations allowing business travelers to fly down in the morning have a meeting and return the same night. One can make a case that WN and UA operate "shuttle like" services between LA and the Bay Area. As for using special aircraft only DL does that US used to however they use the same configuration as mainline aircraft on there shuttle.
It's there because it's a profit machine. DL's and US's NE corridor shuttle routes* are the highest-yielding routes in the US. Short flights, decent if not terrific loads, and lots and lots and lots of high last-minute and walk-up fares.
*MQ and CO also have toeholds in the business, but DL and US are dominant.
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13132 times:
Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 9):
I think the Pan Am Shuttle began independently of the NY Shuttle, and it was later morphed into the DL Shuttle.
NO. Why do I have to do this every time, please I was there:
"The Pan Am Corporation said yesterday that it would begin shuttle flights from La Guardia Airport to Washington and Boston on Oct. 1. It is entering the routes by buying slots and gates from the Texas Air Corporation for $65 million.
The sale is likely to clear the way for Texas Air to win Government approval for its $600 million purchase of Eastern Airlines, announced in February. That would create the nation's largest carrier.
It would also bring major changes - and more frequent flights - to the shuttle service, which is used by thousands of travelers daily. Merger Investigated
The Justice Department has been investigating the competitive effects of the merger of Texas Air and Eastern, primarily because Eastern's only competitor on the important shuttle routes is New York Air, which Texas Air owns.
Charles F. Rule, Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the antitrust division, said that the sale to Pan Am ''alleviates the only potential competitive problems associated with the proposed acquisition.'' If the Justice Department raises no objections, final approval of the Department of Transporation could come quickly."
"The Texas Air Corporation said yesterday that it had sold additional flight slots to Pan American World Airways for $9.8 million. The sale would make it possible for Pan Am to begin an East Coast shuttle service that would be competitive in frequency of flights with the Eastern Air Lines shuttle service.
The acquisition of 14 additional slots will enable Pan Am to operate 15 round-trip shuttles daily, the same as Eastern, from La Guardia Airport in New York to Logan International Airport in Boston and National Airport in Washington.
The slots, which are allocated by the Government, are specific times for each takeoff and landing at National and La Guardia airports. A Rejected Proposal
The sale of the slots is an attempt by Texas Air to reverse the rejection by the Department of Transportation of Texas Air's proposed acquisition of Eastern. New York Air, which also offers shuttle service on the East Coast, is owned by Texas Air, and the proposed Eastern deal raised concerns about maintaining competition on the shuttle routes."