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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

As of June 4th Delta will start the service from JFK to Cairo Egypt. And on June 5th they will begin with the new JFK
to Amman/Jordan service.

Both flights will be operated with an B-767-300 and flights are already bookable at delta.com

cheers: DALelite


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User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5302 times:
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Great news! Finally more US services to the Middle East. I'm curious how DL will compete with MS on the CAI route and RJ on the AMM route, as both carriers are also from (potential) other alliances...

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4864 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5115 times:

Is DL really in a strong enough position to be taking on these new ventures? I don't have O&D figures for these pairs but I don't imagine them being all that crazy. As for onward regional travel surely EK, EY, QR ex JFK/EWR have this covered?

YOWza



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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5052 times:

We will see... DL already once flew to Cairo. But only for a short time. Soon after 9/11 the flight was pulled from the system.
I understand that the are starting Amman in competition to the One World's Jordanien's.

Cheers: DALelite



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Also JFK TLV is coming back soon on the 763


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4905 times:



Quoting DALelite (Reply 3):
We will see... DL already once flew to Cairo. But only for a short time. Soon after 9/11 the flight was pulled from the system.

Yes - but I believe it had a tag-on to DXB. Regardless, will be interesting to see how this does. Flights between the US and Egypt are limited (only the daily on Egypt Air - otherwise you go through Europe), but I would imagine that a lot of it is lower-yield.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4880 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
Yes - but I believe it had a tag-on to DXB. Regardless, will be interesting to see how this does. Flights between the US and Egypt are limited (only the daily on Egypt Air - otherwise you go through Europe), but I would imagine that a lot of it is lower-yield.

DL responded rightly or wrongly to a fear of the Middle East post 9/11. There is money to be made in the Middle East and it is not just low yield traffic. Egypt is a large country and has strong business ties with the US. DL will undoubtedly do well there. DXB is reported to be a very profitable market for DL; I believe they have reworked their 777 schedule to fly the market 6 days/week as of this summer. It is highly possible that DL will add JFK-DXB service, possibly in conjunction with a JFK-NRT flight.

As of this summer, DL will be the dominant carrier to the Middle East and will also be the only US carrier serving Africa; both of those distinctions are critical in maintaining fare premiums and in obtaining corporate accounts in the competitive NYC market.

CO will undoubtedly attempt to expand to some of these markets but DL clearly has a head start.


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

TWA flew to Cairo starting service in 1946. I wonder if there is room for 2 airlines to Amman. RJ and MS had the routes to themselves for years.

User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4564 times:
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I am scheduled to fly DL ATL-DXB next month. Is the service already operational? If so, does anybody know what the loads have been like?


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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Delta adding Amman, in my opinion, is really looking for traffic continuing on to Iraq, a la UA to KWI. Amman itself is really a bit player in the Middle East market unless you are talking about flights to Erbil or Baghdad.


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User currently offlineHSVflier From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

why would they be looking for traffic to Iraq, last i remember in was against the law for US citizens to fly into iraq via civil air. But it might have changed any info would be appreciated.


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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4331 times:



Quoting HSVflier (Reply 10):
User currently offlineHSVflier From United States, joined Jan 2008, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted Thu Mar 6 2008 01:36:56 your local time (4 hours 58 minutes 27 secs ago) and read 200 times: Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

why would they be looking for traffic to Iraq, last i remember in was against the law for US citizens to fly into iraq via civil air. But it might have changed any info would be appreciated.

An American citizen needs to obtain a Iraqi Visa, It is not big deal.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4323 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 6):
It is highly possible that DL will add JFK-DXB service,

Going up against EK's 3 daily flights, of which at least one will be an A380 soon, would be suicide.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
I don't have O&D figures for these pairs but I don't imagine them being all that crazy.

CAI-NYC is pretty healthy actually. Though granted great demand doesn't automatically mean great yields, but it should work out fine. No idea on AMM-NYC though.


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

"flights already bookable"

Sorry chuck but this news about AMM and CAI has been out for ages.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4101 times:



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 12):
Going up against EK's 3 daily flights, of which at least one will be an A380 soon, would be suicide.

Down to two after pulling off the DXB-HAM-JFK


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4057 times:



Quoting HSVflier (Reply 10):
why would they be looking for traffic to Iraq, last i remember in was against the law for US citizens to fly into iraq via civil air. But it might have changed any info would be appreciated.

Not to mention a lot of contractors heading out that way. Since many times it's the government paying for them to go out there, they have to fly on an American carrier as much as possible. Thus, this will allow a good chunk of them to fly JFK-AMM and then just hop over to Iraq from there. Similar to UA's IAD-KWI flight, which I've heard has good loads from these type of people as well.


User currently offlineHSVflier From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

UAs IAD-KWI flight makes more sense as the USAF flies tons of flights a day going north into Iraq. So getting contractors and troops into the country via Kuwait is logical, the USAF barely has a footprint in Jordan. My information for US citizens flying into the country was form when i was there in 2006, when no US citizen was allowed to fly into Iraq via civil air, so i am a little skeptical about just obtaining a visa to gain access into the country. Again info is appreciated but i would like to see some hard evidence. thanks in advance.


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Delta operated JFK-CAI-DXB for four months (June 2001 to September 2001) using MD11.

User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

That's great news! I will be going to Israel and Jordan in late June and here's what i was considering:CLE-JFK-TLV on DL. And then travel by bus to Jordan and then fly AMM-JFK-CLE on DL.
The DL website though is showing that the AMM-JFK route is subject to gov't approval. What does that mean?

-Z.


User currently offlineConcordeLoss From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3291 times:



Quoting DALelite (Thread starter):
And on June 5th they will begin with the new JFK
to Amman/Jordan service.

The loads are pretty healthy during the summer. I was talking to a travel agent the other day, and he was telling me that he already booked a lot of seats on this route. He was also telling me that RJ has increased their fares substantially this summer after they joined OW. So hopefully this will drive the fares down.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3277 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
Is DL really in a strong enough position to be taking on these new ventures? I don't have O&D figures for these pairs but I don't imagine them being all that crazy.

We had a friend on DL's ATL-DKR-JNB trip two days ago and she sent us an e-mail saying the plane was empty, which allowed her to stretch out and get 10 hours of sleep.


User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
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Quoting DALelite (Thread starter):
As of June 4th Delta will start the service from JFK to cairo Egypt. And on June 5th they will begin with the new JFK to Amman/Jordan service.

DALelite - it's been in the news for a while, but thanks for reminding us, earlier today i was checking the flight JFK-CAI to see the fare and it came about the same price that MS offers, so i'm hoping this will fire up the competition and bring the prices down or bring the service up.

Quoting HECA (Reply 1):
I'm curious how DL will compete with MS on the CAI route



Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
Is DL really in a strong enough position to be taking on these new ventures? I don't have O&D figures for these pairs but I don't imagine them being all that crazy

Yes they will, Ms have a very high Yield on this route, the flight is mostly full in both outbound and inbound, I was in MS JFK - CAI few month ago, i was in C class which was full also First was full, and when i walked down to Y to stretch my legs the flight was fully booked. day earlier had 2 friends that were flying the same route and they were standby - please note that this was a weekday flight.
Also i have many FF friends and they all confirmed that the flight is always full. So yes DL will definitely compete.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 3):
We will see... DL already once flew to Cairo. But only for a short time. Soon after 9/11 the flight was pulled from the system.



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
Yes - but I believe it had a tag-on to DXB. Regardless, will be interesting to see how this does. Flights between the US and Egypt are limited (only the daily on Egypt Air - otherwise you go through Europe), but I would imagine that a lot of it is lower-yield.

DL used to Fly JFK-CAI-DXB and it was one of the very profitable routes - they had to pull out after 9/11 for security measures.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 7):
TWA flew to Cairo starting service in 1946. I wonder if there is room for 2 airlines to Amman. RJ and MS had the routes to themselves for years.

TWA used to fly JFK-CAI-RUH and after AA took over they flew this route for couple of month and then it was disconnected.


Well my guess is that DL will be the first to come to CAI but i'm sure others will follow, my guess goes for CO but who knows.

Good Luck DL...



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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Already discussed numerous times here. Use the search button.

User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2849 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 18):
travel by bus to Jordan

Have you checked that out? I'm not sure how easy/feasible it is...

As for the main topic, interesting and nice to hear. Got too used to news of the Gulf cities and carriers.



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