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Varig To Start BSB - NYC 2X Week BY NOV 2008  
User currently offlineMetal From Brazil, joined Feb 2008, 20 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Hello everyone! Varig (RG) seems to have decided for a complete change of plans. Dropping most of its aged european network (FRA, LHR, MXP), and now starting a brand new route from BSB to NYC (it's been a long time since last direct service between BSB and the US). According to local government's official web site, there are two weekly frequencies planned to start November 2008. Does anybody know what are Varig´s international plans, which aircraft will they use for this flight, and which airport will be their base in NYC? Plus, if there is a local airline doing this route, there may well be an American airline allowed reciprocity.

Link in Portuguese: http://www.distritofederal.df.gov.br/003/00301009.asp?ttCD_CHAVE=59342

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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

I'm still waiting for them to announce a starting date for flights between GRU and NYC!


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

I was really excited about the changes coming to VRG, but they have no idea what they are doing, apparently. I'd be shocked if this ever becomes reality.

This announcement is from a bunch of government officals from what I can tell. The same government officials who, over the past two years, have "announced" ATL-FOR on Delta; MIA-SSA on American; and MIA-REC on American. I would put near zero weight on this.

Quoting Metal (Thread starter):
Plus, if there is a local airline doing this route, there may well be an American airline allowed reciprocity.

Not at all. There are plenty of free U.S.-Brazil frequencies available to Brazilian carriers since so little are used. Currently, there are only 35 of 105 frequencies used. This summer, there will be 56 of 105 frequencies used (TAM will be going 3x daily to JFK and 5x daily to MIA). U.S. carriers are free to use their existing frequencies and transfer them from GRU/GIG flights to BSB.

[Edited 2008-03-05 18:01:42]

[Edited 2008-03-05 18:03:15]


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4165 times:
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Up to now, the only clear info is that they will fly São Paulo - New York by November. This BSB-JFK service can be a daylight twice weekly flight using the same 2 Boeing 767-300ER.

RG/G3 plans are nowadays very unclear. They just announce will drop CGH-SJP and CGH-RAO domestic routes by the end of this month, and their load factor for international flights in Feb/08 (54.7%) was something very, very low. Their consolidated load factor (59.7%) shows also that domestic demand is not so strong in Brazil.

BSB will receive new RG flights in some weeks (3 BSB-GIG, 3 BSB-SSA, 2 BSB-CNF, 2 BSB-MAO, BSB-FOR, BSB-REC) and will be the 2nd biggest domestic RG Hub.

No doubt a flight BSB-US will be a winner and may be this is the wind of change on RG route management.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4167 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Up to now, the only clear info is that they will fly São Paulo - New York by November

I would not even say that is "clear" by any means. In November, for example, it was "clear" that they would be in Miami by Mach and New York by April. Of course, that isn't happening.

At this point, I don't expect to see Varig return to the U.S. in the near future.



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User currently offlineMetal From Brazil, joined Feb 2008, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4150 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
No doubt a flight BSB-US will be a winner and may be this is the wind of change on RG route management.

Agree. Can they use the 378s on this route? The 767s will allow for more cargo, but aren´t they way more fuel spending?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
U.S. carriers are free to use their existing frequencies and transfer them from GRU/GIG flights to BSB.

If it is so, why we don´t have an American carrier playing the same business model that TP is doing in Brazil? Maybe lack of aircraft available? I think it is not that easy for an American airline to fly to other cities in Brazil other than the ones they already do - bilateral is strict, and brazilian airlines will play against it.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4146 times:



Quoting Metal (Reply 5):

If it is so, why we don´t have an American carrier playing the same business model that TP is doing in Brazil? Maybe lack of aircraft available?

Because Portugal and Brazil have Open Skies for all airports outside of GRU and GIG.

Quoting Metal (Reply 5):
I think it is not that easy for an American airline to fly to other cities in Brazil other than the ones they already do - bilateral is strict,

Yes, it is that easy. U.S. airlines can fly to Belo Horizonte, Manaus, Porto Alegre, and about 8-10 other airports in Brazil (I'm not sure what the entire list is - but it pretty much includes every Brazilian city that could support a flight to the U.S.). Rightfully so, given the huge concentration of traffic to GRU and GIG, U.S. airlines chose to limit their 105 frequencies to GRU and GIG.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4126 times:



Quoting Metal (Reply 5):

Agree. Can they use the 378s on this route? The 767s will allow for more cargo, but aren´t they way more fuel spending?

According to GCM it is 4227 miles, so no a 737-800 would not work unless it had a fuel stop or took a big penalty. I think we will see a 763ER on this route.

MCO



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User currently offlineMetal From Brazil, joined Feb 2008, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

Thank you, MAH4546, for your fast and sound information. I agree with you with in that Varig looks like going nowhere. Maybe it will simply become some kind of "add-on" to G3's network - flying wherever G3's management finds demand for full service, feeding or getting pax from their network, while at the same time not harming their own operations - for example, long haul international flights.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4048 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
would not even say that is "clear" by any means. In November, for example, it was "clear" that they would be in Miami by Mach and New York by April. Of course, that isn't happening.

If they follow their initial plans, the "clear" would be "right". But they decided to venture on a market where everyone invest on the same time while they can just follow some studies they get and begin their plans with FRA, after LHR, then MIA, JFK... or even focused on US-Brazil, should be different.

Clear as their Investor Relations says, but if they will fly (and even sustain the flight) is another topic.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Yes, it is that easy. U.S. airlines can fly to Belo Horizonte, Manaus, Porto Alegre, and about 8-10 other airports in Brazil (I'm not sure what the entire list is - but it pretty much includes every Brazilian city that could support a flight to the U.S.). Rightfully so, given the huge concentration of traffic to GRU and GIG, U.S. airlines chose to limit their 105 frequencies to GRU and GIG.

They limit almost all 105 to GRU as well as JJ flies 27 from GRU, 7 from MAO and 1 from GRU with stop at SSA. GIG has only 14 regular US frequencies and 14 tag-on flights (AA GIG-GRU-JFK and CO GIG-GRU-IAH). I never understood why everyone use to say less than 14% of US flights or less than 10% of total flights it's a concentration.

Felipe



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4038 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Not at all. There are plenty of free U.S.-Brazil frequencies available to Brazilian carriers since so little are used. Currently, there are only 35 of 105 frequencies used. This summer, there will be 56 of 105 frequencies used (TAM will be going 3x daily to JFK and 5x daily to MIA). U.S. carriers are free to use their existing frequencies and transfer them from GRU/GIG flights to BSB.

Have Tam offiicialy announced GIG-JFK yet?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4016 times:
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Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 10):
Have Tam offiicialy announced GIG-JFK yet?

Not yet, their CEO and CFO comment that they will fly, but no formal announcements yet. Considering past announcements, probably we will get some news on this between March 26 and 28, just a few days before they release and disclose about 2007 full results.

Felipe



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User currently offlineCmtehori From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3976 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
No doubt a flight BSB-US will be a winner

Agree, specially with great connections. Connecting in BSB will be much easier than GRU, not only by it´s under-utilized terminal, but specially because it is better to connect to North and Northeast.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3895 times:



Quoting Cmtehori (Reply 12):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
No doubt a flight BSB-US will be a winner

Agree, specially with great connections. Connecting in BSB will be much easier than GRU, not only by it´s under-utilized terminal, but specially because it is better to connect to North and Northeast.

There is no doubt it will be a winner, but I would put money on this absolutely not happening. Varig is all talk and no show.

Brasilia will see service to the U.S. in the not far off future, but not on Varig. It will be on TAM or American.



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User currently offlineTP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Hello everyone,

I do not think any of RG attempt to fly internationally will work (or will domestic either) unless it extends its network. I may very well be wrong, but don't see this flight doing well if it doesn't have flights from other cities to feed it, and it would make no sense for pax in SAO, RIO, BHZ (maybe), and probably MAO and FOR (these last two have the option of flying to MIA and then connect to NYC) to connect via BSB. I cannot understand the reason why RG and G3 are not yet (if they ever will) codesharing, or some other functional understanding to make it possible for RG passengers to buy tickets to more destinations. Airliners do that all the time and why not two sister companies? Are there any legal reason to explain why it has not happened yet?
I was told some time ago that CADE did not allow their combined operation, but don't remember seeing anything related to that on the news. It may just be another product of the brazilian gossip aviation industry.

TP727


User currently offlineTP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

I do not mind seeing RG getting back on its feet with a new administration. When it went under i did feel sorry for those who lost their jobs, but for decades i new in my heart that day would come. After all it was just a small and late payback for all the bad and dirty things they did along the years. They were a great airline for decades, and as a pilot point of view, their cockpit crew was very good, very well trained.
The way things are going these days with RG they might soon announce flights to LAS, BOS, DTW, SEA, SLC, MCO, SFO, PHL, or even ANC, with a stop over in DEN, or who knows maybe even TUL. In EU their move would be MAN, ATH, DUB, or TXL with a tag on to SVO. They have to get their act together before starting new routes, or it will all seem as an adventure (at least to me). G3 management seemed to be professional and efficient, but looks like they were not as good when hired the people that run RG. In fact seems as they hired some of the people from the old administration.
Made me very sad to see their failure on the recent dropped routes, with a great waist of money. All that money gone to the drain could have gone to improve their product in order to compete with other carriers.

TP727


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3791 times:



Quoting Cmtehori (Reply 12):
Connecting in BSB will be much easier than GRU, not only by it´s under-utilized terminal, but specially because it is better to connect to North and Northeast.

BSB underutilized? You're must be kidding.

Quoting TP727 (Reply 15):
In fact seems as they hired some of the people from the old administration.

Actually, old RG was very competent in terms of routing.


User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3765 times:



Quoting TP727 (Reply 14):
I cannot understand the reason why RG and G3 are not yet (if they ever will) codesharing, or some other functional understanding to make it possible for RG passengers to buy tickets to more destinations. Airliners do that all the time and why not two sister companies? Are there any legal reason to explain why it has not happened yet?

I also don't understand the RG/G3 strategy. I just flew RG last week CGH-POA and was supposed to return on RG as well, but when I checked in at POA, I was told I will fly on G3 on a flight leaving 25 minutes earlier because the RG got cancelled (i think because of low loads after looking at the seat map). I had to run to catch the flight, but the transaction was easy and smooth. The check in agent from RG just leaned over to the G3 check in desk to get my boarding pass... but.. what is the point? why keep it the 2 airlines separate?
If is because of the sentimental value to the Varig name, we have all dealt with loosing Pan Am, Sabena, Transbrasil, VASP, etc etc
again,,, are there any legal or costs reasons to keep them separate?


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3741 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I was really excited about the changes coming to VRG, but they have no idea what they are doing, apparently. I'd be shocked if this ever becomes reality.

This announcement is from a bunch of government officals from what I can tell. The same government officials who, over the past two years, have "announced" ATL-FOR on Delta; MIA-SSA on American; and MIA-REC on American. I would put near zero weight on this.

I agree with you. It seems we have the old RG again, with crazy plans and ideas.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
RG/G3 plans are nowadays very unclear. They just announce will drop CGH-SJP and CGH-RAO domestic routes by the end of this month, and their load factor for international flights in Feb/08 (54.7%) was something very, very low. Their consolidated load factor (59.7%) shows also that domestic demand is not so strong in Brazil.

JJ suspeded MGF and CXJ, which is causing a major uproar in the business community of these two very important business centers. I honestly cannot uderstand how TAM drops important routes such as MGF and CXJ. Something must be wrong.

Rgs,


User currently offlineTP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3702 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):
Actually, old RG was very competent in terms of routing.

Hello CO10T3,

I must tell you that, in my point of view, RG was competent in terms of routing in a time when they had the monopoly for international flights, very protected by the brazilian government along the years. It looked very clear after competition arrived. They showed to be incompetent when kept non profitable routes and just when about to go belly up started flying to MUC, JNB, fighting against strong players like SA and LH.
I cannot recall who from the RG administration said some routes were flown for patriotism. Well, that would be the job for a state owed airline, and only in case of real national/public interest.

TP727


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Can RG really use all the widebodies they have in such a small route network?

If KE is going to start ICN-LAX-GRU they will probably repeat their cheap LAX-GRU fare which will discourage RG from the market.

How many widebodies do they have? Ten B763s & one B762? (I'm not really sure). I can't imagine how they are going to utilize all this aircraft. Perhaps they should start shedding some. That B762 probably could go - probably has poor fuel efficiency. How has the MEX route been doing?


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3633 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 20):
If KE is going to start ICN-LAX-GRU they will probably repeat their cheap LAX-GRU fare which will discourage RG from the market.

In the case of KE, not only the price may be competitive, but it has an excellent product - most certainly, KE will offer the best onboard product between US and Brazil alongisde JAL. But what does KE's LAX-GRU have to do with RG's BSB-NYC?

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3573 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 18):
I honestly cannot uderstand how TAM drops important routes such as MGF and CXJ. Something must be wrong.



Quoting TP727 (Reply 19):
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):
Actually, old RG was very competent in terms of routing.

Hello CO10T3,

I must tell you that, in my point of view, RG was competent in terms of routing in a time when they had the monopoly for international flights, very protected by the brazilian government along the years. It looked very clear after competition arrived

RG use to be good in routing to select their routes, but very bad to understand the signals of demand to increase flights and manage more than one O&D market. They never flew a route with several daily frequencies and during a long time, allow their planes to remain all around the globe for several hours (including MIA and JFK) without runing a daylight service for example. Also instead of build and protect a market like Rio, under-served, they prefer to fight against all other airlines twice ! Now JJ is showing them how to route several flights to the same market at the right time, as well as how to handle with more than one O&D market. So, yes, RG management during the past 10 years was far from being competent in routing, IMO. Their past financial results are a clear indication of bad route management.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 20):
Can RG really use all the widebodies they have in such a small route network?

In fact it's a waste of widebodies considering that last year they could begin routes were demand is huge like MIA-Northeast (SSA, REC or FOR), CNF or BSB to both MIA or JFK and even more, a GIG-JFK. Their ability with long-haul is something unbelivable ! They even manage to announce the flights with the same time frame they begin a domestic additional flight to an already served market among some other mistakes ! Results are clear..

Quoting AF022 (Reply 20):
If KE is going to start ICN-LAX-GRU they will probably repeat their cheap LAX-GRU fare which will discourage RG from the market.

Seems that the one flying GRU-LAX will be JJ !



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3543 times:



Quoting TP727 (Reply 19):

Hello CO10T3,

I must tell you that, in my point of view, RG was competent in terms of routing in a time when they had the monopoly for international flights, very protected by the brazilian government along the years. It looked very clear after competition arrived. They showed to be incompetent when kept non profitable routes and just when about to go belly up started flying to MUC, JNB, fighting against strong players like SA and LH.
I cannot recall who from the RG administration said some routes were flown for patriotism. Well, that would be the job for a state owed airline, and only in case of real national/public interest.

TP727



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 22):
RG use to be good in routing to select their routes, but very bad to understand the signals of demand to increase flights and manage more than one O&D market. They never flew a route with several daily frequencies and during a long time, allow their planes to remain all around the globe for several hours (including MIA and JFK) without runing a daylight service for example. Also instead of build and protect a market like Rio, under-served, they prefer to fight against all other airlines twice ! Now JJ is showing them how to route several flights to the same market at the right time, as well as how to handle with more than one O&D market. So, yes, RG management during the past 10 years was far from being competent in routing, IMO. Their past financial results are a clear indication of bad route management.

I meant actually in terms of coordinating the network. They managed connections at GRU quite well and could feed their flights with success. Not even TAM serves connections at GRU so well. At least that was always my perception.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3502 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Brasilia will see service to the U.S. in the not far off future, but not on Varig. It will be on TAM or American.

I dare to say that BSB could see CM B737-700 PTY flights before AA flies there from MIA.
Don't know if AA would choose returning to CNF (even as a tag-on) before starting dedicated MIA-BSB flights.



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25 SJOtoLIR : The interesting issue about the possible VRG BSB-NYC over VRG GRU-NYC is that the market toward NYC looks like plenty of competitors from GRU: JJ, AA
26 SAOAP : Just in case anybody was wondering, one of the guys responsible for TAM's current network was the guy who planned the whole thing for Varig (back in
27 Cmtehori : Numbers for January 1- Guarulhos/GRU.......1.958.142 2- Rio de Janeiro/GIG...1.064.827 3- São Paulo/CGH..........950.954 4- Brasilia/BSB............
28 C010T3 : I'm sorry, but GRU, BSB and GIG have all room for expansion, so it does not make sense what you are saying. You cannot deny the fact that TAM always
29 SAOAP : And let's not forget that GIG only passed CGH and BSB because of ANAC's imbecile (sorry, but it really is... A monkey knows better than that...) meas
30 SAOAP : Felipe, you seem to forget that back in 2004 VARIG showed a positive operational result, so I'm guessing the network wasn't quite as bad as you say i
31 C010T3 : I think you're missing some major points on this issue, but let's not discuss this again, it has nothing to do with the topic. But I do want to know
32 Post contains images SAOAP : I thought you might And, yes it does has something to do with the topic. Marcelo
33 C010T3 : You still haven't answered my question.
34 Post contains images Abrelosojos : I am willing to bet RG will not be flying BSB-NYC anytime soon. RG's "planning" department is a shame and really do not have any idea on where they ar
35 WorldTraveler : Varig and Gol are struggling to find their way back to profitability. It can be expected that RG will struggle; when you sit out the market for 2 yea
36 2travel2know : Either G3+RG do that or their future won't be a bright one. BSB-JFK sounds very nice, specially for those in BSB/GYN, but they way things are @ G3+RG
37 Post contains images SAOAP : As you yourself stated, 'let's not discuss this again', I left the subject alone, otherwise we'd have a fighting war all over again. Besides you know
38 C010T3 : Well, I would have to read older postings of yours in order to remember exactly what you're position is, but that's you are OK, we can agree to disag
39 Avianca : are there any news when they will bring the 767 back to CCS... ??
40 Metal : Anyway, summing it up: - BSB - JFK seems to be a good move by Varig, as their first international route without direct competition since the last chan
41 LipeGIG : Hi Marcelo, no i didn't forget. 2004 in fact was the year that they increased services for the last time creating GIG-CDG, GIG-FRA, GIG-JFK and annou
42 Avianca : sad... well I will travel in 10 days with another a.netter from CCS to EZE with RG via GRU... well to be honest my last trip with RG 737-800 on the G
43 Abrelosojos : = RG will definitely start Brasil - USA within the next 6 months. However, it will NOT be BSB-JFK. Flight will be routed to JFK. If a second destinat
44 MAH4546 : I fail to see why they are entering yet another crowded international market that already has five airlines and has seen yields and fares at record l
45 Abrelosojos : = Part of it is because RG (within G3) is slightly confused right now. Outside MIA, RG has also expressed interested in MCO. A lot will depend on if
46 MarioSPlane : True. But it was not due to lack of enough market. It was lack of reliability and a competitive product by the company. RG left many people stranded
47 Incitatus : I agree. Varig seemed to have good connections in the old days. TAM's network planning seems primitive in comparison.
48 Cmtehori : I´m sorry but I´ll have to disagree: GRU has POTENTIAL for growing, but in order for that to happen, it needs a new terminal. Of course there is en
49 C010T3 : BSB is overcrowded and GIG can handle more passengers without refurbishment. T2 at GIG is still underutilized.
50 Avianca : huhh not crappy ??? its even worser than crappy... sorry but its almost the worst terminal that I have seen so far ... even the old AR terminal in EZ
51 Abrelosojos : = Oh come on ... its not that bad. GIG T1 has a certain charm that is missing from these ultra-glass generic looking airports cropping up elsewhere i
52 Incitatus : The slums are an excuse. How many houses are there? Five thousand? How much is each one worth? Say at most 50 thousand reais. That adds up to (at mos
53 C010T3 : I'm sorry, but it is in Brazil. That's about the amount needed for GIG, but how much did it get this year? 40 million.
54 Incitatus : It is not a lot of money when it comes to infrastructure projects. First, my guess-timate of 50 thousand reais for a slum house is really generous no
55 LipeGIG : I use to travel a lot on DL nowadays (in less than 6 months become even a Plat) and just return from LAX. You can find good fares on a JFK-LAX if you
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