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Allegiant - Poor On-Time Performance To/From FLL  
User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

From http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/mar/06/allegiant-flights-on-newest-fla-route-all-late/:

Quote:

Since Allegiant Air launched nonstop service between Knoxville and Fort Lauderdale, Fla., in November, every flight has been late, with several of them excessively delayed.

"Unfortunately, this is an accurate account," Allegiant spokeswoman Tyri Squyres said Wednesday. "Fort Lauderdale as a base has not performed to our standards."

"We are evaluating every aspect of the operation - scheduling, station operations, aircraft and maintenance procedures. For example, at our Fort Lauderdale base, we currently do not have a maintenance facility. So if we have a maintenance issue, it has to be coordinated from our base in (Orlando Sanford International Airport). This has worked well for our Tampa base, but Tampa is much closer to Sanford than Fort Lauderdale. Just one of many variables (a)ffecting our ability to perform on schedule," Squyres said in an e-mail response.

"I will tell you, in contrast, our service to Orlando, Tampa and Las Vegas performed better. For the month of February '08, we operated 100 percent completion (basically no canceled flights) and at a 74 percent on time rate. We are actively taking steps to address these operational issues. Obviously such failures are not only costly to our company, but more importantly they do a disservice to our customers. We remain committed to the Knoxville community and look forward to continuing to provide the community affordable and convenient access to their favorite vacation destinations," Squyres added.

"The ball is in their court," he [Kirk Huddleston] said. "What are you (Allegiant) going to do about it?"

Very interesting update on how the new FLL base is doing and unfortunately it is not good news from an operational standpoint. Any thoughts?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32788 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4480 times:



Quoting National757 (Thread starter):
Very interesting update on how the new FLL base is doing and unfortunately it is not good news from an operational standpoint. Any thoughts?

Nobody to blame but Allegiant themselves. FLL isn't exactly the most on-time airport, and they knew that coming in and should have planned accordingly. It's the most congested airport they fly to.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4459 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):


Nobody to blame but Allegiant themselves. FLL isn't exactly the most on-time airport, and they knew that coming in and should have planned accordingly. It's the most congested airport they fly to.

Spot on. FLL is essentially a one-runway (jet) airport with an NK hub and frequent flights by WN, B6 and DL, with a good number of flights by other carriers as well. SFB and PIE are ghost towns by comparison. Perhaps Allegiant should have based themselves up the road at PBI instead.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Unfortunately, G4's on time record at FLL has become the butt of jokes at my office. Just this week alone, two of my co-workers have joked about a 6 hour delay from Chattanooga and another about a 4 hour delay to Huntington. But, as has been said before, G4 have no one but themselves to blame. I just love how they just stepped right up and acknowledge their mess in the report. No beating around the bush here!

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32788 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4260 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Perhaps Allegiant should have based themselves up the road at PBI instead.

That wouldn't solve anything. Allegiant caters a lot to cruise and family vacation traffic, which is going to Fort Lauderdale and Miami.

PBI caters to wealthy Northeasterners, and while PBI is a good alternative for those in northern Broward, it is not an alternative if you are going to Miami or are vacationing in Miami/Lauderdale.

They are better off flying to MIA - near the Port of Miami, four runways, not congested, plenty of gate space. Of course, the high landing fees don't make it feasible.



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

The real problem is they don't have a spare aircraft for this operation. It's way too small to have an extra one or be able to swap planes out if one goes on mechanical for a while. Also, as stated above, they don't have maintenance parts there in FLL. I don't think the issue right now is the airport itself, it's the operation. I'm not sure if bridging aircraft over from SFB is the answer or what, ex FLL-XXX-SFB and visa versa. That would throw crews out of position though. Not sure what a simple solution to this is though especially with the operation so small.

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Ahh.... This one's too easy! I'll be diplomatic and skip this one.....


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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4145 times:

Perhaps they could possibly move the FLL operation to FXE or OPF....if these facilities would allow commercial flights. The runways are certainly long enough at Fort Lauderdale Executive and Opa Locka for MD-80 operations. Just a thought.

User currently offline767driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4140 times:



Quoting John (Reply 7):
Perhaps they could possibly move the FLL operation to FXE or OPF....if these facilities would allow commercial flights. The runways are certainly long enough at Fort Lauderdale Executive and Opa Locka for MD-80 operations. Just a thought.




How would that solve the issue of no spare aircraft or parts?


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4135 times:

767 driver: I was referring to congestion and ATC at FLL. Maintanence is another issue, of course.

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4097 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 3):
I just love how they just stepped right up and acknowledge their mess in the report. No beating around the bush here!

Well, you certainly have to give Allegiant's spokeswoman credit for being honest there! I do wonder, though, at what point G4's inability to operate the route on time will affect their ability to attract customers in the market.


User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4085 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 5):
The real problem is they don't have a spare aircraft for this operation. It's way too small to have an extra one or be able to swap planes out if one goes on mechanical for a while. Also, as stated above, they don't have maintenance parts there in FLL. I don't think the issue right now is the airport itself, it's the operation. I'm not sure if bridging aircraft over from SFB is the answer or what, ex FLL-XXX-SFB and visa versa. That would throw crews out of position though. Not sure what a simple solution to this is though especially with the operation so small.

As I have stated before, I tend to think in simple terms. Would it be feasible to have a small (possibly turboprop) aircraft stationed at their Florida base to transport parts and mechanics to smaller Florida operations as needed? I am sure there are many problems with this plan that I am not aware of. Your thoughts. John.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4077 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 3):
I just love how they just stepped right up and acknowledge their mess in the report. No beating around the bush here!

Allegiant can be very honest and blunt, including many times about their own actions or inactions. Some don't like that but its one of the things I respect about them.

Here they don't try to excuse it by pointing at conditions at FLL or some other reason, they accept responsibility.

They do the same thing with route decisions, if a route isn't working out they aren't afraid to admit they made a poor decision and pull it.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4042 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
Well, you certainly have to give Allegiant's spokeswoman credit for being honest there!

i like Tyri. i've spoken to her a few times, she's quite fun and very *very* polite for an official spokeswoman.

Quoting National757 (Thread starter):

that Khandi Ahpal's a real sweetie  Smile



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User currently offlineSkyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

I have been told in FWA that they are pulling all their flights except SFB. They also have heard that they will pull out of FWA completely.


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3876 times:



Quoting Skyrat (Reply 14):
I have been told in FWA that they are pulling all their flights except SFB. They also have heard that they will pull out of FWA completely.

I wouldn't be surprised if FWA-IWA leaves completely due to the high oil prices and FWA-FLL leaves completely (along with a bunch of other FLL routes) due to the atrocious FLL delays. Wasn't there a G4 FWA-FLL flight that was delayed by 22+ hours a few months ago? Still, I like Allegiant's refreshing honesty about their operations.

At the same time: If FL comes into FWA as has been rumored for eons, you can bet that SFB and PIE will be gone in a nanosecond, too... just look at what happened at G4's SWF ops after FL and B6 came in.



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User currently offlineSkyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3770 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 15):
At the same time: If FL comes into fwa as has been rumored for eons, you can bet that SFB and PIE will be gone in a nanosecond, too... just look at what happened at G4's SWF ops after FL and B6 came in.

I can see FL doing well on FWA-TPA, FWA-MCO, FWA-ATL, and FWA-BWI with the 717. But I believe that they have bigger cities on their mind right now.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3641 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 15):

I wouldn't be surprised if FWA-IWA leaves completely due to the high oil prices and FWA-FLL leaves completely (along with a bunch of other FLL routes) due to the atrocious FLL delays. Wasn't there a G4 FWA-FLL flight that was delayed by 22+ hours a few months ago? Still, I like Allegiant's refreshing honesty about their operations.

None of this has to do with FLL delays. It has to do with G4's planning and logistics. Delay after delay is mechanical or aircraft tie ups. Oh, and since when are FLL delays attrocious? I would hate to see how you consider PHL and ORD delays!


User currently offlineAirguardtn From United States of America, joined May 2007, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

I took this flight from TYS to FLL on Allegiant Mar 6. We were scheduled to arrive FLL at 10:20 p.m. but due to weather at FLL we did not arrive until 2:00 a.m. on Friday. This is not the airlines fault, but what made me upset with them, was that the FA's would not dim the lights on the plane. Here it was 1:00 a.m. all we wanted to do was sleep and they told us they needed all the lights on to be able to have cabin service. They did not even have a cart to push through the isle.

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3586 times:



Quoting Airguardtn (Reply 18):

is it an OSHA thing? or no.



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User currently offlineBwohlgemuth From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

I sincerely hope Allegiant's FWA ops don't end soon, I have a flight booked on them July 4th to SNF!

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

I never got a chance to book & fly GSP-LAS before they canned that one. We've still got SFB, PIE & FLL so far, but who knows?


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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3513 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 21):
but who knows?

Certainly not you as you have proven with your repeated forum postings you know absolutely nothing about GSP or the aviation industry.



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