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Using A Camera To Record Take-off, Big Risk?  
User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2353 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12773 times:

Hi everyone, I have a question about using a camera to record the take-off. I know that before pushback the pilot or FA tells the cabin to keep all electronic devices off. If I were caught using my digital camera to video the take-off, how much trouble would I be in? It would be an FAA violation, no? Could I get arrested? Fined? Maybe I'm being paranoid, but AA crews freak out when I ask for the registration number no less, so I can't imagine how they'd react if I'm caught breaking the rules, so to speak.

I have seen numerous videos in the trip reports section as well as on flightlevel350. To those of you who have done this, can you share any tips as to how to pull it off? Wait till the last possible minute to pull out the camera? Ask your seatmate if they mind beforehand? Cover it up with a magazine so no one sees?

I am flying AA tomorrow, ORD-TUS on an MD-83, seat 27A. I'd love to get the power of those JT8D's on video but am fearful of the risks involved. Any input is much appreciated, thanks.


There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12761 times:

I don't think a camera qualifies as an electronic instrument.

Some cabin staff seem to worry that a camera might become a flying projectile and require that it stored for take-off and landing. In my experience, most cabin attendants have no problem with a camera being used at that time.

It seems to depend more on the grumpiness of the individuals concerned than airline policy in my experience.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12730 times:



Quoting Dalavia (Reply 1):
I don't think a camera qualifies as an electronic instrument.

LOL. Obviously it does.

NS


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12676 times:



Quoting FAR's:
Sec. 91.21 - Portable electronic devices.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate, nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft allow the operation of, any portable electronic device on any of the following U.S.-registered civil aircraft:

(1) Aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate; or

(2) Any other aircraft while it is operated under IFR.

(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to --

(1) Portable voice recorders;

(2) Hearing aids;

(3) Heart pacemakers;

(4) Electric shavers; or

(5) Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the aircraft has determined will not cause interference with the navigation or communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used.

(c) In the case of an aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate, the determination required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall be made by that operator of the aircraft on which the particular device is to be used. In the case of other aircraft, the determination may be made by the pilot in command or other operator of the aircraft.

Emphasis mine.

So you could ask the pilot and get an answer, or use it anyway which may or may not be allowed. It's up to the airline or pilot. I don't record takeoffs or landings but I do take pictures, and since I have a simple point-and-shoot camera, I can hide it under my leg until after the FA's make their last pass through the cabin and then I take it out. You could also put your camera in the seat pocket in front of you, just make sure no one on the flight before you left their gum in there. Happened to my sister once. Not nice at all.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2353 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12636 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):
I can hide it under my leg until after the FA's make their last pass through the cabin and then I take it out. You could also put your camera in the seat pocket in front of you

Those are good ideas. I'm also thinking about keeping in my left pocket until we turn onto the runway and quickly pull it out then. Thanks for providing the FAR.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineMax777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12592 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Thread starter):
If I were caught using my digital camera to video the take-off, how much trouble would I be in?

It depends who's going to caught you. If there is an aborted takeoff and your plane finish on water, you can die when still concentrated to film the takeoff and not notice everyone wearing lifevest. Would that make differences if you're reading a book ? Not any, imho. but then it's up to people. That is the only electronic devices recomendation that I heard from an FA when I asked why can't I use something like a walkman in the good old times. "to don't be busy in case of emercency" is been his reply.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Thread starter):
It would be an FAA violation, no?

I don't know if it is, but if it is the reason is that it could be harmful to people, not that you film them, but you could not be ready for an emergency if busy with something (it's not clear why a book could let you be less busy, in case)[/quote]

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Thread starter):
Could I get arrested? Fined?

You could be arrested, grounded before takeoff and fined for much less, if you read the forum.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Thread starter):
Maybe I'm being paranoid, but AA crews freak out when I ask for the registration number no less, so I can't imagine how they'd react if I'm caught breaking the rules, so to speak.

There's no need to break any rule to freak out some FA who did not choose their right job, it seems to me.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 1):
I don't think a camera qualifies as an electronic instrument.

if it's operated with steam power, now I understand why it was not allowed to be used during the takeoff.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 1):
Some cabin staff seem to worry that a camera might become a flying projectile and require that it stored for take-off and landing.

This applies only to emeregency exits seats, to be with hand free in case of emergency. Anything else electrical or not in any seats line can become danger if flying in the cabin as well. That's why they ties luggages in free seats etc.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 1):
In my experience, most cabin attendants have no problem with a camera being used at that time. It seems to depend more on the grumpiness of the individuals

The main danger they say is for interfering with instruments during flights and with dangerous situations during takeoff and landing..


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12582 times:
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Re: The projectile risk... That's true, but books tend to be more dense and would make a decent projectile, but they are allowed, so that shouldn't be a huge concern.


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User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12553 times:

Well, AirTranTUS has the best answer. The reality is that anything that requires power (either DC or AC) is an electronic device, ergo, a video camera is an electronic device. It is technically an FAA violation and depending upon a number of factors, most notably how much you piss off the crew, will determine what actually happens to you if you are discovered using that device during the takeoff or landing phases of the flight, when all electronic devices are to be switched off.

I see an awful lot of takeoff and landing videos, so obviously many people do it. However, I cannot advocate you using it, as it would be a violation of the law.

In other words, if you decide to use it, you do so at your own risk.

baw716



David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12391 times:

Funny story. I was in the jumpseat of a United 767 one time. Sometime during the flight, the flight attendant calls us on the interphone and told us that there was a passsenger who was complaining that his cell phone got no reception in flight. After hanging up the pilot was like "Isn't Cell Phone use banned while in flight?" The flight attendant I guess didn't even realize that or tell the passenger that.

I got a laugh out of it though.


User currently offlineMrBrightSide From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12250 times:

Personally, I took pictures of take-off and landing with Canon EOS-400D (Digital Rebel XTi - for those in US  Wink) with BG-E3 battery grip, EF2.8 17-85 lens... with every airliners I flew (truth to be told, only when in unknown a/c or a new airport - for instace, pictures of golden gate bridge on approach to SFO). Camera makes a nice "click" sound , so it might be that they thing it's analogue, but somehow I don' think that's the case.

Never hid my camera, nor did I had any bad experiences with FAs from AF, BA, CI, CX, KL, LH, LX, OS, OU, SQ, UA, US and others... have around 300 t/o and t/d pics, not taking pictures anymore... but camera is always next to me if something interesting happens (who knows, those million-in-one shots might happen once  Smile)



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User currently offlineMayhem From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12195 times:

I never cover it up as most FA's don't really care. If they do care however and tell you to stop or put it away, do so and do not try to hide it... Not complying with FA's instructions is perceived as a lot worse than "using your electronic device" imho...

User currently offlineSJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12126 times:

I got harrassed on 2/7/08 flying AS 351 SJC-SEA- I was filming the FA as people were boarding, and she was a good looking babe - the other FA said "I don't want you videotaping'. So I put it away, not to get arrested - you know how many imbeciles we have nowadays in this Country. Here is the clip.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1358034084269569010&hl=en

Then later, a K-Mart 737-700 passed us on the Flight off the Left wing-here is the clip:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7018254407891336244&hl=en

even though she told me not to videotape - I did anyways, wasn't going to miss that shot...!!!!!!!!!!

On my way home, I asked the Pilot on AS 324 SEA-SJC if I could videotape - he said " I don't care - just tell the FA in the back" - I told her, she says, " I don't care" and walked away.........................

Like I said................Imbeciles.


User currently offlineAndrewC75 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12059 times:

Under the notion that anything device requiring power

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
Quoting Dalavia (Reply 1):
I don't think a camera qualifies as an electronic instrument.

LOL. Obviously it does.

Yes, but under the logic some airlines give (anything that requires a battery), would not wristwatches (some of which have computing power comparable to MP3 players) also be considered PEDs? One must draw the line somewhere. While I can see the argument that a digital camera is a PED, I can also see the argument that it's no more so than a wristwatch. Moreover, I personally would consider a digital camera a PED, but that hasn't kept me from using one (and perhaps feeling a little guilty) during takeoff roll.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11994 times:



Quoting AndrewC75 (Reply 12):
Yes, but under the logic some airlines give (anything that requires a battery), would not wristwatches (some of which have computing power comparable to MP3 players) also be considered PEDs? One must draw the line somewhere. While I can see the argument that a digital camera is a PED, I can also see the argument that it's no more so than a wristwatch. Moreover, I personally would consider a digital camera a PED, but that hasn't kept me from using one (and perhaps feeling a little guilty) during takeoff roll.

They do draw the line. There are exceptions for watches, hearing aids, pacemakers and such. It's in the regs.

I'm always amazed at a.net folks, the people that REALLY SHOULD know better ... advocating breaking federal regs, hiding cameras, and writing smiley faces when they explain how they do it.

We have threads of 200 posts complaining about minor media mistakes in reporting, and passengers that don't fasten seatbelts, and passengers that stand up before the seatbelt sign is off .... and here we are telling guys it's OK to hide your camera, and use it, even though it's clearly against regulations to do so.

Before somebody asks ... sure, I break the speed limit in my car often ... but I don't go on car forums telling everyone they should be doing it.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11961 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 13):
I'm always amazed at a.net folks, the people that REALLY SHOULD know better ... advocating breaking federal regs, hiding cameras, and writing smiley faces when they explain how they do it.

We have threads of 200 posts complaining about minor media mistakes in reporting, and passengers that don't fasten seatbelts, and passengers that stand up before the seatbelt sign is off .... and here we are telling guys it's OK to hide your camera, and use it, even though it's clearly against regulations to do so.

I hate to admit that I agree 100% with your post. I hate to do it because I love to use my camera to get a video of the take off and landing.



Sigh
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19724 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11879 times:

To the best of my knowledge, there are no known cases of any electronic device repeatably having been demonstrated to cause an unsafe condition in an aircraft.

There was one case I read about where a passenger's laptop was associated with an uncommanded maneuver (I think a turn) in a LH 747-400. They shut the machine off and the plane resumed level flight. They took the laptop into the cockpit, powered it up, and the uncommanded maneuver resumed.

Boeing then bought the computer from the passenger and was unable to replicate this in the lab.

There are a few other isolated reports, but otherwise, there is no clear evidence that even cell phones interfere with navigation or in-flight controls.

However, the regulations exist out of caution. *If* you are going to cause one of those isolated instances, you *don't* want it to happen right at Vr or at 10ft on landing. An uncommanded roll to port is a bad thing when you're just touching down. Just ask that LH A320 pilot from earlier this week.  Wow!


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11756 times:

I always record my take off and most landings with my camera. No problems so far.  Smile

User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11552 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
To the best of my knowledge, there are no known cases of any electronic device repeatably having been demonstrated to cause an unsafe condition in an aircraft.
...
There are a few other isolated reports, but otherwise, there is no clear evidence that even cell phones interfere with navigation or in-flight controls.

When it comes to avionics, the regulations require that they be shown to NOT cause any interference with other avionics. A similar approach is taken with passenger electronics, which is perfectly reasonable. However, I do know of at least two cases of interference by electronics, although quite different in their scientific merit.

The first is a private pilot report of his own AM/FM portable radio brought into the cockpit causing interference with the aircraft radio systems (this was on a small, single-prop, piston aircraft). Quite repeatable and obviously hazardous. The source of this interference was likely the portable radio's local oscillator (LO), which, particularly on older models, emit not only the proper LO frequency but lots of harmonics at relatively high power levels. Makes nice semi-random radio interference generator at close ranges.

The second was a UK experiment on cell-phone interference on aircraft. For obvious reasons they used an aircraft on the ground. While they could detect interference by measuring EMI/RFI levels conducted through internal wiring and antenna systems when the phone was used in specific locations, there was no conclusion about whether it would be truly hazardous or not. However, the fact that potentially significant signal levels were measured didn't allow the researchers to conclude that the use of cellphones was NOT a hazard.


User currently offlineRdy4flt From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

On my flight to and from Costa Rica I took out my point and shoot during take off and landing..of course when the FA walked by I quickly consealed it in my sweatshirt...lol. I don't see the problem but like others have said the pilots would have the final say.


Rudi


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9032 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11514 times:
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Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Thread starter):

WHAT?! you dont listen to the F/A announcements? Switch off all electronic equipment! you dont know what can happen then? If you are on an Airbus you can take over control and piloting the Airbus!

Ok, as you might have seen: just KIDDING  Wink

It shouldnt be a problem at all! Its just a camera! But dont let the F/As see what you are doing, then you will be fine!

*cough cough* to be honest: I filmed one of my own landings from the cockpit, put the cam on the glareshield! not a real cam, just the one in my digi cam! but SHHHHHHHHH Big grin

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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11486 times:

Usually, I just hold it on the side of my leg, with my index finger covering the top of it. I have one of those small Canon Rebels, so it's pretty easy. As soon as we line up on the runway...out it comes. I have never had a problem. Also, when picking my seats, I don't pick them close to the jumpseats so there's really no way they would know I am doing it. I have about 50 videos taken so far. I like to document my travels so I'll probably continue to take videos of selected landings and takeoffs. But I agree, you do so at your own risk.

[Edited 2008-03-06 12:50:19]

User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11448 times:



Quoting Dalavia (Reply 1):
Some cabin staff seem to worry that a camera might become a flying projectile and require that it stored for take-off and landing.

In an impact which makes the camera a projectile.....the then flying camera is truly the least of your worries.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
LOL. Obviously it does.

You know what he meant. And no, the camera doesn't transmit a signal....and is thus a non-issue as far as flight safety is concerned.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11377 times:



Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 21):
You know what he meant

He clearly meant that he didn't think a camera was an electronic device, and needed to be switched off when we're told to turn off all electronic devices ... it clearly IS an electronic device, and you need to switch it off.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 21):
And no, the camera doesn't transmit a signal....and is thus a non-issue as far as flight safety is concerned.

Ah, so it's OK to use it then  Yeah sure

The regulation has nothing to do with whether it transmits a signal or not, or in fact whether you think it does or not. It's ALL electronic devices. If it did transmit a signal, it wouldn't be allowed on at all.

I guess I'm the oddball here that's pretty amazed by these irresponsible comments, even from pilots and those who work in the industry.

Oh, well.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineQualitydr From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11062 times:

On many flights I take, the FA who makes the cabin announcement "clarifies" what their policy is on electronic equipment: If it has a power switch, that switch must be in the "off" position during takeoff, landing, and any other time the flight crew deems necessary. You can only turn it "on" when they say it's okay to do so.

Begs the question about modern calculator-watches, etc...

M



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User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10529 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 21):
And no, the camera doesn't transmit a signal....and is thus a non-issue as far as flight safety is concerned.

Ah, so it's OK to use it then  

Please review my words again and point out precisely where I said it was "okay" to use it.


25 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Keep in the seatback pocket or in the pocket on your pants. Just wait till the F/As sit down. I usually pull mine out when we're sitting at the "Hold
26 DH106 : Camera use clearly violates the post 9/11 proscription on any sort of activity that might be deemed 'interesting', 'diverting' or 'enjoyable' whilst f
27 Daron4000 : While I understand your post and agree with it in principle, it just seems like its a little harsh (abusive is too strong a word here) for pax to not
28 Post contains links and images BMIFlyer : Same here As seen in my last trip report SQ Long Haul In First, Biz & Y Class (Pics/Vids) (by BMIFlyer Mar 1 2008 in Trip Reports) The F/A's were
29 Sh0rtybr0wn : As long as I'm in a window seat, my camera is stuffed down in my jacket or the side of the seat waiting to capture a take-off video. The Important thi
30 Allrite : The Jetstar A332 safety card states something like that cameras may be used at all times so long as they have a built-in battery, which I presume to m
31 Rsmith6621a : .......None of this issue was a concern prior to 9/11.....this is just another ploy of the governments to restrict your liberty's....
32 Analog : Old mechanical cameras (SLR & fixed focus), as well as really old movie cameras, are not electronic. Just because something is against federal regula
33 Jetjeanes : Wel on takeoff roll the fa will be in their seats for one. a camera doesnt transmit or recieve, They are battery operated, and they dont ask us to tur
34 KochamLOT : If your a pilot and your recording your own takeoff with the camera, definitley unsafe (talking about the GA pilots - but very applicable to any pilot
35 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Please tell me this post was sarcasm or a joke. And just because something's not against federal regulations doesn't mean that it's not dangerous. I
36 BEG2IAH : I've been shooting videos for a while without any problem. I always make sure that strap is tight around my wrist, so there's no "flying object" risk.
37 DL767captain : I doubt they would see you, if you are in a window seat sitting a few rows behind the FAs then i don't think they would see you, i do it all the time
38 Jetdeltamsy : What???? What would you consider it then?
39 Tdscanuck : Technically, yes. Realistically, provided you don't do something stupid, no. Really? I asked a Delta agent in Salt Lake City a few weeks ago and she
40 Post contains images MD80fanatic : If you wish to be neurotic about it, even non-electronic devices where two pieces of metal move against one another (as in the shutter mechanism of a
41 FlyboyOz : Well...it depends on the number of the pax filming. If there are too many pax filming it, then it may affect the flight deck instructment. Well...I sa
42 DocLightning : I was once caught using a GPS on an AA flight (which they ban, apparently) and was simply asked to turn it off and put it away.
43 DocLightning : One other thing, I am sure I am not the only person to have landed somewhere and pulled out mycellphone only to discover that I had accidentally left
44 Post contains links OA260 : I do it all the time and have never been asked not to even when the crew have seen me, Aer Lingus / BFS-BCN-BFS Video+Photo Report (by OA260 Mar 6 200
45 Chase : Just obey the rules, ok. Electronic device = anything that uses electricity. The rules say no electronic devices below 10000 feet, except the ones spe
46 Mt99 : Some airlines have cameras on the tail of the plane.. no? I can see the potential problems w cell phones (place one next to a speaker to see what it d
47 Post contains images WILCO737 : I hope not WILCO737 (MD11F)
48 Analog : You can have a flash w/o electronics: those old single-use cubes. Why someone would want to use a flash is beyond me. The old movie cameras are proba
49 Sketty222 : That is some really good customer service! I use my camera when I fly. I mostly video take-off and landing but sometimes I video at cruising altitude
50 SpeedBird203 : Hello, i would like to say that i used my cell phone to record takeoff from LHR - DTW on March 1st, Crew seemed to of noticed it but i was rather chat
51 Adam T. : I to have recorded take offs and landings as well.....never had a problem with crew but passengers have often asked if its safe. I just laugh and say
52 Robsawatsky : And all of those aircraft cameras and computers are certified avionics systems that are tested to meet the required EMI/RFI susceptibility and radiat
53 Mt99 : Id be interested in some comparative data.... So if the airplane computers are have high(?) a EMI/RFI susceptibility requirement... then they shouldn
54 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : as mentioned, any electronic device will transmit a signal. Though compared to a cell phone, I do think a camera is within the realm of safety. It's
55 Post contains images KaiGywer : Only time I've had an issue was flying FR with a flight attendant that was about 6'5', blonde, and kind of your stereotypical mean woman. "Turn your c
56 TwinOtter4Ever : I have always found that GSM and the old TDMA system phones put out an unusual amount of interference and do cause the well known radio chirping of an
57 Tdscanuck : That's not how aircraft operation works. It's against the rules unless you prove it's safe, not the other way around. Aircraft installed electronics
58 LDIkaros : I always carry a camera with me and try to film the take-off andnlanding if I get a window seat and the lightning conditions allow it.nOf course, I tr
59 BR715-A1-30 : Please don't.. lol. OH!! You mean the camera? Well, that's ok then. Seriously though, I usually always film my takeoffs and landings. The flight atte
60 DL767captain : Ya but i could sort of understand GPS being a problem, since it sends and recieves signals or whatever that phrase is they like to use, a camera does
61 Post contains links UK_Dispatcher : Thats pretty much what I often do, but sometimes I just leave it out on the armrest. I try not to look guilty or suspicious - that would just arouse
62 Post contains images Continental : I'd hope he's not THAT concentrated on filming the takeoff!
63 MD80fanatic : How can that be accomplished, to prove something does not have an effect on something else. Isn't that trying to prove a negative? That would require
64 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : Cool, I'll have a shave at take-off then
65 Tdscanuck : You're right that you can't prove a negative, so you can never go to 100%. However, the general approach is to prove that there's no effect within a
66 TwinOtter4Ever : I will be heading up in a Twin Otter tomorrow morning and Westcoast Air has said that they have people taking pictures/video out the window all the ti
67 Post contains images Rushed : Its ok.. you may not be able to use your camera but at least you are able to shave during take off and landing lol
68 Sean377 : Why not take (or pretend to take) loads of out-the-window shots prior to the actual departure itself. That'll test the water and see if there are any
69 IAirAllie : FA rule of thumb if it has an on/off switch off for taxi, take off, and landing. If it sends or recieves a signal off the whole flight(exception:cells
70 IAirAllie : Been an FA since before 9/11 the rules regarding electronic devices have not changed. Most airlines do ban GPS. All the ones I've worked for did and
71 MD80fanatic : This seems to be the only "reason" that makes physical sense to be against the rules....but as I mentioned earlier, in a sudden stop forceful enough
72 NEMA : I think we could do with an official guideline on using cameras and their falling into the electronic items area. One report a couple of years back on
73 Theginge : There is no problem using a camera on Take off or landing. I have done many cockpit jumpseat rides in recent years with my camera rolling up front and
74 Post contains images Bond007 : Why? In the USA at least, and I'm sure in Europe, any camera that contains electronics (has an on/off switch, digital etc.), simply IS an electronic
75 Theginge : These days there is so much other electronic equipment on a plane, each seats IFE for instance, which probably could cause more damage than a camera.
76 MD80fanatic : Yes, nearly everything electronic is designed to reject any spurious transmission that falls outside it's operating frequency. NAV equipment has pret
77 Post contains images Quetzal : Can't believe that you put your sister in a gum filled seat pocket... what kind of person are you?
78 Post contains images AirTranTUS : Thanks for editing my text to make your joke.
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