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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7638 posts, RR: 21
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3019 times:
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I have seen many people walking down the steps at the end of a flight, then immediately light a cigarette right by the aircraft - this applies mainly to FR flights where no airbridges are used and pax walk across the stand to enter the terminal. This strikes me as idiocy, particularly when refuelling is taking place nearby. I know that aviation fuel is not likely to be ignited by a cigarette, but still, in apron areas it strikes me that this cannot be sensible. What about things like deicer and lubricants?

Is this actually allowed in some places? I know that it is prohibited at STN, but people still do it so regularly. Many people even attempt to continue smoking after being told to stop by airport staff. Does this happen in your airport?

Also, without meaning to start a race argument, why is it that nine times out of ten it seems to be Italians that I see doing this??


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8921 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3018 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):

Well, looks like some people are just too addicted and too stupid! Its of course not allowed to smoke ANYWHERE on the apron at all! For obvious reasons...

Italians? I wouldnt say that! I guess people from everywhere do that!

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User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

I like the title of this thread, I was thinking of an aircraft lighting up a cigarette after a long flight, it would make for a funny picture.

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8921 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2984 times:
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Quoting Max550 (Reply 2):
I was thinking of an aircraft lighting up a cigarette after a long flight, it would make for a funny picture.

 rotfl  yeah must look funny!  bigthumbsup 

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7638 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2956 times:
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Quoting Max550 (Reply 2):
I like the title of this thread, I was thinking of an aircraft lighting up a cigarette after a long flight, it would make for a funny picture.

What, you've never seen an aircraft smoking? How about a TU-154?  Smile

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 1):
Italians? I wouldnt say that! I guess people from everywhere do that!

It's true that many different people do this, but after years of daily observation I can categorically state that Italian passengers and Italian flights lead the way in the smoking on the apron stakes.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8921 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2949 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
It's true that many different people do this, but after years of daily observation I can categorically state that Italian passengers and Italian flights lead the way in the smoking on the apron stakes.

Yeah, could be true! The Alitalia crews were the only crews which I have seen in restaurants drinking wine in their uniform after their flights  biggrin 

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User currently offlineMayhem From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Downright stupid and reckless indeed! It's not when you're holding it, but when they throw away the "butt" it can fly anywhere when still lighted... In a worst case scenario in the direction of nearby refuelling...

User currently offlineRicciPettit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Have these people not seen the scene in Airplane! haha

The one where he chucks a cigarette over by the fuel barrels.


User currently offlineFlyboy97502 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2571 times:



Quoting Mayhem (Reply 6):
Downright stupid and reckless indeed! It's not when you're holding it, but when they throw away the "butt" it can fly anywhere when still lighted... In a worst case scenario in the direction of nearby refuelling...

No kiddin! The thing I would worry about the most is if they were to see the drain and think "Oh a drain there is water, I'm doing the right thing!" Except for anything coming off the ramp going into those drains as well, including some Jet-A....and well I'm sure you could picture what'll happen!



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2561 times:



Quoting Flyboy97502 (Reply 8):
including some Jet-A....and well I'm sure you could picture what'll happen!

What? It would put the cigarette out?


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
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At JNB domestic terminal there are smokers' shelters just outside the building, they are obviously not for pax but are within 15 metres of parked aircraft.


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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2525 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
What about things like deicer and lubricants?

Deicer is water based, as far as I know. Lighting off a lubricant with a cigarette would be phenomenally difficult...much harder than lighting Jet-A.

It's not a great idea, don't get me wrong, but it's not nearly as dangerous as it might appear.

Tom.


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2508 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Smoking on the ramp? So, what. All you guys think it is the end of the world. Sorry, Jet-A just doesn't ignite very easily. I've worked around airplanes for 17 years. Some of the hangars I've worked in were smoke filled. Nearly half of the crew smoked around the airplane all night. It didn't matter if they were changing fuel filters or opening fuel tanks. These guys were lit up. Now if it had been AvGas I would have been worried.

If you think I'm crazy go get some diesel fuel or K1 and try to ignite it with a cig or match.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7348 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

There are many much more likely sources of ignition of a fire from refueling an aircraft than any passengers lighting cigarettes as they deplane.

Static electricity is the greatest danger.

The 'threat' from the pax is too minor to consider an issue. There really are not flammable liquids anywhere near the passengers - unless it's something like a C-172 being fueled from open cans.

But it's still stupid and dumb - for health reasons, not safety.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5611 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2355 times:
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Quoting Mayhem (Reply 6):
but when they throw away the "butt" it can fly anywhere when still lighted... In a worst case scenario in the direction of nearby refuelling...

And most unlikely to be a problem

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 9):
What? It would put the cigarette out?

Yep,

The cigarette is not the issue, it is the match or lighter that is the far greater risk. (there are ingredients of some cigarettes that do burn somewhat hotter than normal tobacco that could be a problem, but they will likely cause you a run in with law enforcement most places as well)

When my father was in Air Force apprentice training an instructor took a lighted cigarette and dipped it into aviation gasoline.... he was not prepared to do the same with a lighted match!



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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2250 times:



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 12):
Smoking on the ramp? So, what. All you guys think it is the end of the world. Sorry, Jet-A just doesn't ignite very easily. I've worked around airplanes for 17 years. Some of the hangars I've worked in were smoke filled. Nearly half of the crew smoked around the airplane all night. It didn't matter if they were changing fuel filters or opening fuel tanks. These guys were lit up.

Then you and your buddies have been darn lucky and darn stoopid at the same time!

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 14):
The cigarette is not the issue, it is the match or lighter that is the far greater risk.

Exactly, but it's a good working practice to ban the first so that the 2nd doesn't become the risk!



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2214 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 14):
When my father was in Air Force apprentice training an instructor took a lighted cigarette and dipped it into aviation gasoline.... he was not prepared to do the same with a lighted match!

Whoa,

I would never do it with Avgas but I have done it with Jet-A a few times to shake up the new guys.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2085 times:



Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 16):

Whoa,

I would never do it with Avgas but I have done it with Jet-A a few times to shake up the new guys.

Those who know the difference between gasoline and diesel car engines will understand the difference here. It is much harder to ignite Jet-A/Kerosene/Diesel (all essentially the same thing) than it is to ignite gasoline.



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