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Which Thomas Cook A/C Will This Be?  
User currently offlineBarnesy2006 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

I am booked to go to SSH at the end of July from Gatwick on a Monday at 09:00 on TCX. Does anyone know what type of Aircraft this will be?? I have only ever seen 757's at SSH from Thomas Cook so my guess is that it would be that.

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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

It may be one of the 757 's from Airtours as they have long distance ability , more than some of the TCX ones. It was interesting that when i went on a TCX plane all the inflight services were Airtours based and the crew said they were all moving to that style? It is a long way and I suggest you call and book your actual seat numbers. Every time we have done this we have had a two to ourselves!

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

I think any 757 can make SSH from LGW, no problems, now the 321, that makes it but not with your luggage!

User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2414 times:



Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 1):
It may be one of the 757 's from Airtours as they have long distance ability , more than some of the TCX ones

I thought that MyTravel had disposed of its 757 fleet sometime ago, before the TCX takeover? They did operate some of the elderly ex-Eastern Airlines 757s. When TCX was Flying Colours Airline, did they ever operate some of their brand new (at the time) 757s on holiday flights to Florida?



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

I think they did. I may be wrong. Lots of UK charter airlines used the 757 for charters to Florida, back when they used Orlando not Sanford. MON, AE, CKT, AMM etc all operated long hauls with 757s, funny how they are now all short haul.

I always thought the 757 excellent for regional airport long hauls like NCL to Dom Rep etc, allowing long holiday flights from more regionals. MON and BY followed this pattern with 757s for sometime before ending transat 757 flights.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2362 times:



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Thread starter):
I think any 757 can make SSH from LGW, no problems

BA's 757s couldn't at the moment, and some of TCX's 7572s couldn't either due to the MTOW limits (paperwork excercise).

BA's 757s are, IIRC, limited to 97T MTOW, whereas to get to Egypt, they'd probably need around 108T



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2314 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
BA's 757s are, IIRC, limited to 97T MTOW, whereas to get to Egypt, they'd probably need around 108T

Those same BA ETOPS equipped 757's that regularly operated JFK , YYZ and BOS ? ( and operated to Goa etc when leased to Caledonian)

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 1):
It may be one of the 757 's from Airtours as they have long distance ability

Airtours /My Travel dont have any 757's now. TCX have never operated any ex Airtours 757's
All TCX 757 are more than capable of making SSH.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Thank you, I thought the same. The 757 is very capable and SSH is the ideal routing for this power/workhorse.

User currently offlineBarnesy2006 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2239 times:

Thanks for the replys, so it seems i should be expecting a 757 then. Back in the day when these operated trans-atlantic didn't they have to do fuel stops in Canada?? I remember only recently a MON A300 having to do the same exercise.

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2229 times:



Quoting BY738 (Reply 6):
Those same BA ETOPS equipped 757's that regularly operated JFK , YYZ and BOS ? ( and operated to Goa etc when leased to Caledonian)

That's when they're MTOW was higher, since then, they've operated at a reduced MTOW, although with OpenSkies, I'd expect to see the MTOW increased again. It is basically a paperwork excercise, no physical changes are made

Quoting BY738 (Reply 6):
All TCX 757 are more than capable of making SSH.

Some have had to stop en-route on the way back from SSH due to the head winds.



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User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1574 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2173 times:



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Reply 8):
Thanks for the replys, so it seems i should be expecting a 757 then. Back in the day when these operated trans-atlantic didn't they have to do fuel stops in Canada?? I remember only recently a MON A300 having to do the same exercise.

I flew a MON 757 from LGW to MCO back in '95 I think. Other than a stop in MAN for extra passengers, we were routed via BGR, stopping for approx 1 hour before continuing on to MCO. The return flight however was attempted non-stop, bue predicted tail-winds didn't materialise and clearance wasn't received for the required high altitudes, so we ended up stopping in SNN.

LGW-MAN-BGR-MCO... that was one looooong day.  Smile


Mark



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2118 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
Some have had to stop en-route on the way back from SSH due to the head winds

When was the last time you honestly saw that..? Veeery unlikely.


User currently offlineBarnesy2006 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2093 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
Some have had to stop en-route on the way back from SSH due to the head winds

Jan-07 I travelled on XLA 757 and didn't have this problem, Also 2000 i travelled on MON 757 (G-MONB) which must be amongst the oldest to HRG and still didn't have this problem. Does this happen much??


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2093 times:



Quoting BY738 (Reply 11):
When was the last time you honestly saw that..? Veeery unlikely.

Gkirk is actually spot on the money. Only a few aircraft in the TCX fleet have the higher MTOW which make them suitable for longer flights such as the ones to Egypt. The 757 is available with a wide range of max takeoff weights, to suit customer requirements, but all of them have the same fuel capacity. For aircraft with lower MTOWs, with a full load of passengers the amount of fuel you can carry is significantly restricted. An aircraft at the bottom end of the MTOW scale will certainly not be able to fly UK-Egypt non-stop.

The last information I had for the fleet was as follows:


100T MTOW
G-FCLC

102T MTOW
G-FCLA/E/F/G/H
G-JMCD/E/F/G

110T MTOW
G-FCLI/J/K

111T MTOW
G-FCLD

113T MTOW
G-FCLB

Any 757 with an MTOW below about 108 Tonnes will probably struggle to make a charter flight from the UK to Egypt non-stop, with the return flight, which is usually flown against a headwind being a particular struggle. If Thomas Cook were to fly anyting lighter, then they'd probably have to either leave passengers/bags behind or tech stop.


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G-FCLH Fuel stopping at Ostend en route from Sharm-el-Sheik to Manchester.

I've flown to Egypt twice with Thomas Cook, once MAN-SSH-MAN on G-FCLJ and then MAN-RMF-MAN on G-FCLK and G-FCLI all of which have MTOW's of 110T. G-FCLH shown above tech stopping in Ostend has a MTOW of 102T.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2003 times:



Quoting BY738 (Reply 11):
When was the last time you honestly saw that..? Veeery unlikely.



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 13):
G-FCLH Fuel stopping at Ostend en route from Sharm-el-Sheik to Manchester.

Apology please By738.



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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1984 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 13):
If Thomas Cook were to fly anyting lighter, then they'd probably have to either leave passengers/bags behind or tech stop.

XLA and MON have left bags behind a few times on the way back from Egypt, due to weight restrictions on aircraft, sometimes when its very hot, they need to take on more fuel etc.

Mark



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Thats a fact the 757 still proves itself on routes like this. The 321 is useless for these charter routes

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