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Delta: The Biggest And The Best? - Thestreet.com  
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10863 times:

fair use excerpt

Delta: The Biggest and the Best?
03/06/08 - 03:24 PM EST
SEATTLE -- Now it's Delta's DAL time.

Continued focus on a merger effort may be masking the real story at Delta, which, after spending decades as a consistent No. 3 among the big three airlines, has emerged as the pre-eminent U.S. carrier. Not incidentally, it's also poised to become the biggest, with or without a deal.

The main reason is that in the age of globalization, Delta is spreading its worldwide reach faster than anybody, moving from 20% international capacity in 2005 to 40% this summer, with an eventual target of 50% or more.

But it's not solely international expansion that sets Delta apart. In a commercial aviation system based on hubs, Delta operates the biggest hub in Atlanta, where it offers 1,000 departures a day and where a new runway that opened in 2006 has enhanced efficiency. Delta also has a hub at Kennedy Airport in New York, the world's biggest air travel market.

Asked about the potential of Delta's hub at Kennedy International Airport, where the carrier occupies the terminal it acquired from Pan Am in 1991, Hauenstein responded: "I think it's a limit of how big can you dream. We have some big dreams in New York."

Some will become reality this summer, when Delta adds a dozen international flights from Kennedy to cities in four continents. At that point, Delta will formally pass United, a unit of UALUAUA, to become the second-biggest U.S. airline in terms of capacity. It will trail only AMR'sAMRAmerican which, by the way, has not been growing.

Another key Delta statistic measures revenue per seat mile as a percentage of the industry average. When Delta sought bankruptcy protection in 2005, the number was 86%. For 2007, it was 95%. This year, it is expected to rise to 98%.

Delta's 19-month bankruptcy, which ended in April 2007, was unusual. While most airlines have used bankruptcy to cut costs, particularly labor costs, Delta used bankruptcy to transform itself into an international carrier.

more here:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10406...elta-the-biggest-and-the-best.html

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16948 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10866 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
Delta: The Biggest And The Best? - Thestreet.com

It's like you're begging to get flamed.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10654 times:

except I didn't write it.

Which goes to show that there are an aweful lot more people who think DL is doing a great job than just me.
The title is exactly what TheStreet.com used.

I can't post all of the comments that were said about other carriers without violating copyright laws but you can read them by clicking on the link but they paint DL in pretty good light.

I'll also remind you that if you searched TheStreet's archives, you'd see they didn't say very flattering things about DL not so long ago.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10646 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
Delta: The Biggest And The Best? - Thestreet.com

It's like you're begging to get flamed.

It will get a rise out of both the cheer leaders of DL and then a rise out of the folks who have flown DL and been exposed to that legendary DL spirit. Because in case you did not know, DL can do no wrong when it comes to air travel.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10614 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Reply 1, posted Thu Mar 6 2008 14:01:24



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
Reply 3, posted Thu Mar 6 2008 15:32:23

An hour and half? That's longer than I thought it would take.


User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10592 times:

I have to admit DL is doing pretty good but as for biggest and best I don't think so yet. As for geographic coverage DL is getting very close to UA, they just need to expand South Pacific and Asia then they out beat UA. UA covers alot of places except for Africa, we know they aren't too strong in the South American and Central and Europe with no presence in Africa. I do hope UA expands further. AA needs to expand further since they don't have much coverage in South Pacific, Asia and Africa..

User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10565 times:

that was always DL's aim to become the worlds biggest and most fav. Airline. Since 1991, and i hope that they will reach their goal!!!

Go DeltaGo: DALelite



They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10464 times:

The Biggest: Probably not.

The Best: Thats relative.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10460 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
The Biggest: Probably not.

The Best: Thats relative.

My Mom always used to say, "You can be the biggest or you can be the best, rarely if ever can you be both".



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10092 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):

My Mom always used to say, "You can be the biggest or you can be the best, rarely if ever can you be both".

Forrest .. is that you?
 hyper 


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9974 times:

actually, both biggest and best can be quantified. while I won't change the question mark to an exclamation point, there are plenty of reasons mentioned in the article why DL just might be the biggest and best if not now then in the near future.

However, I also remind you how many people had given DL up for date just 2 years ago. Now an investment advice company that is not even aviation related is suggesting that DL might be the biggest and the best. That's worth taking note of.


User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9949 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
Because in case you did not know, DL can do no wrong when it comes to air travel.

Oh, of course! (Except for the no-PTVs-in-Y-on-the-763ER-fleet) And we all know that FL and US are the spawn of the devil  Wink  duck 

(just kidding, for those of you who didn't get it)



Can passenger jets fly as fast as my feet do? Let's find out...
User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

I realize airlines can say what they want to say at the bottom of their News Releases but:

Delta Air Lines operates service to more worldwide destinations than any airline with Delta and Delta Connection flights to 315 destinations in 59 countries.

Ain't too shabby in my opinion...


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9863 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
actually, both biggest and best can be quantified. while I won't change the question mark to an exclamation point, there are plenty of reasons mentioned in the article why DL just might be the biggest and best if not now then in the near future.

The problem with being so big is consistency a smaller airline will always be able to make changes quicker where as a large airline with a massive fleet will have greater difficulty implementing changes ..



"Pride of the pacific"
User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3378 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9854 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
It will get a rise out of both the cheer leaders of DL and then a rise out of the folks who have flown DL and been exposed to that legendary DL spirit. Because in case you did not know, DL can do no wrong when it comes to air travel.

F'king aye. Is anyone else besides me getting sick of these repetitive DL lovefest threads?

We know DL is the greatest airline in the world because it has new BE seats. We know DL is the greatest airline in the world because ATL is the greatest hub in the world. We know DL is the greatest airline in the world because they now fly the 77L. We know DL is the greatest airline in the world because they fly to Africa. We know DL is the greatest airline in the world because they have a hub at JFK. We know DL is the greatest airline in the world because they fly to many destinations in Europe. So forth, and so on.

It gets old guys. We know you're obssessed with DL and DL can do no wrong. But are the "DL is the greatest airline in the world" threads necessary on a daily basis?



PHX based
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9822 times:

Don't like'em, don't fvcking read'em, simple as that.

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3378 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9806 times:



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 15):
Don't like'em, don't fvcking read'em, simple as that.

Don't worry, I'll feel free to express my opinion in every one I see, just for your sake. Not a surprising comment from someone with such a screenname.



PHX based
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9729 times:

WT - nice article (altho thanks for stealing my thread thunder! j/k).

What's interesting in this article is that unlike the fanboys on this website, others are starting to (and continuing to in some instances) look at DELTA in a new/more positive way.

My favorite piece of the article (and waiting to see STT757's rebuttle...) is the little piece about New York.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7344 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9699 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
Now an investment advice company that is not even aviation related is suggesting that DL might be the biggest and the best. That's worth taking note of.

Nevermind that fact that investing in any airline is a terrible idea. The retun on airline stock over time has been absolutely horrendous.


User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9672 times:

Most folks can't imagine the DL spirit if you've never experienced it before. Yes, I realize it's 2008 but during the 60s, 70s, 80s there was a much stronger, thicker, and well-known spirit back then and something that C.E. Woolman started a dream and a vision of treating every employee with the deepest respect and gratitute, something like this has lasting affects/effects through decades. Most people want a sense of belonging. Is that so hard to imagine?

Its in the hearts of so many people to this day. Stop fighting it and come share in the experience.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9498 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 17):
What's interesting in this article is that unlike the fanboys on this website, others are starting to (and continuing to in some instances) look at DELTA in a new/more positive way.

DL is a great airline and I myself have been impressed with the way they have been able to turn themselves around in the last couple of years. And for the amount of traffic it gets, I find ATL relatively hassle free. Ive never connected there, but I used to fly to ATL every 3 weeks up until a year ago. Ive heard good things about their service recently. Ill have to take peoples words for it because I dont fly DL and dont have any plans to because they dont fly the routes that I fly often.

But Ill stick to the fact that I dont think they will be the biggest in terms of passengers carried (without a merger). They do operate the largest hub in the world and that counts for something.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
actually, both biggest and best can be quantified. while I won't change the question mark to an exclamation point, there are plenty of reasons mentioned in the article why DL just might be the biggest and best if not now then in the near future.

The biggest can be, the best cant be. Being the "best" airline will always be relative to the consumer. Take a look at A.net, we have fans of every airline on here. They will always say that theirs is the best. The public is the same.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9388 times:

how do you define "best" is debatable but the quanitification behind those definitions is very possible. The article (this is not a press release from DL) speaks to DL's RASM improvement and operational reliability - both of which are definitely quantifiable - and there are many others as well.

The essence of what is happening at DL today - the NEW Delta - is because DL very carefully and strategically rethought its entire mission in the period leading up to its BK. It watched the failures of other companies - inside and outside of the airline industry, reviewed its own strengths and weaknesses, looked at what it could be that other US airlines were not becoming. The turnaround at Delta was from the ground up and touched everything about the company. No other airline - and few other businesses - have done that kind of transformation. As I've said before, you will read about DL's turnaround in business cases for decades to come. Very few companies are able to do what DL has done. This is not an airline lovefest - it is a complete and successful transformation of a company and that happens very, very rarely.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9329 times:



Quoting Chiad (Reply 9):
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):

My Mom always used to say, "You can be the biggest or you can be the best, rarely if ever can you be both".

Forrest .. is that you?

Thanks I needed that.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 21):
As I've said before, you will read about DL's turnaround in business cases for decades to come. Very few companies are able to do what DL has done. This is not an airline lovefest - it is a complete and successful transformation of a company and that happens very, very rarely.

HELLO, that is what bankruptcy is for, it is not like they reinvented the wheel. And news flash just about every business that goes through bankruptcy can put the same spin on there "transformation" And yes it is a lovefest, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then maybe it is a DUCK!



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8962 times:



Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 12):

Delta Air Lines operates service to more worldwide destinations than any airline with Delta and Delta Connection flights to 315 destinations in 59 countries.

This may be true in the É-U, but I'm almost positive there are larger spread airlines. BA? LH? SQ?


User currently offlinePI731 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Even if they are the biggest and the so called best, I still won't fly them. If DL was my only choice to get to where I wanted to go, I would rather drive. I hate flying on their MD80’s ad CRJ’s (Even the CR7s&CR9s) which they have to many of. Both times I have flown with them, the flight attendants were rude, the inside of the aircraft was dirty with pen marks on the seat or the side. Both ATL and CVG are a pain to connect threw. Three of my flights were late, just an over all bad experience. I would rather fly a CAL Dash 8 then DL’s MD80 or CRJ. I try to fly jetBlue and Continental! You always get great service and luckily I have never had a flight delayed. I give Continental a lot of credit. Their doing everything they can to retire their old classic aircraft. And the classics their going to keep around for a while they have updated their interiors. From the inside, you can’t tell the difference whether you on a classic 300 or a Next Gen 700. Even their 500’s are great inside compared to DL’s beat up aircraft. And starting 2009, their installing jetBlue’s Live TV. You don’t see DL or any of the other top carriers doing this. Only thing is you see them retiring aircraft and replacing them with 70 to 85 seat RJ flown by regionals.
By the way I have never flown American cause they fly CR7s to Dallas, and ERJ’s (Which I don’t mind riding on) to ORD, but then if it’s not Eagle, on to a MD80.


25 NorthwestEWR : How are we defining best here because from what I hear, Singapore and Emirates are the best in the world with MANY more before you get to the US carri
26 Pope : It's easy to "turn one's self around" when the ridiculous bankruptcy laws allow you to unilaterally break your contractual oblgiations, write off bil
27 Alitalia744 : So by that token, US, UA, CO, NW, Hawaiian, et. al. should have all been liquadated correct?
28 FlyPNS1 : While DL has certainly improved, calling it a complete transformation is ridiculous. DL fundamentally does the same thing they've always done. They p
29 Pope : To be honest, I'm not as familiar with these other liquidations as I was with DL's (my guess would be yes, at least one of those should have been liq
30 Style : Dude, get over this Delta in Wonderland dream of yours. They are just another "Big Six Network Carrier." Only thing they have going is their massive
31 CALPSAFltSkeds : If DL is so great then: 1.) Why are they looking to merge? 2.) Why isn't NW falling all over themselves to become part of the best and greatest? While
32 Luv2fly : I am not one to usually agree with Pope though here he is right on the money, no pun intended when talking about bankruptcy! HA!
33 MasseyBrown : You should probably add economic recession to that list of challenges.
34 WorldTraveler : no bankruptcy is a financial reorganization. There is nothing in the bankruptcy code about restructuring business plans. and in case you haven't noti
35 SNCntry32 : True Story, Delta, with the help of WorldTraveler, cured my leprosy. I have nothing of value to add.
36 Pope : But that's not what happens just look at US's multiple trips into BK. Furthermore, the reorg versus liquidation analysis makes certain assumptions wh
37 Luv2fly : Best line EVER! If I had a prize to give you I would.
38 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : I find it disgusting that this has turned into a DL love/hate referendum and that the maturity level in this thread is quite low. World Traveler bring
39 RwSEA : I wouldn't go as far to say that DL has done better than NW. NW for instance has a couple dozen new widebodies on order, and just took delivery of a
40 Slider : Oooh....celebrate!!! DL has sub-standard RASM and a revenue shortfall! Party time! Geez, I wouldn't go blaring this....it speaks to the ineptitude th
41 Rwy04LGA : Some think so, I among them. Maybe not simple enough for you? DL started as a domestic airline and has since matured into a global airline serving mo
42 Post contains images Sdexplorer00 : There has been a lot of discussion about "best" which is both quantifiable and subjective, but how come no comments yet on surpassing UA by July and c
43 Klkla : Remarks like these always amaze me. Not just 777STL's, I'm only using him as an example... but for some reason Delta, unlike any other carriers, seem
44 Post contains images 777gk : What is there to rebut? DL may have big dreams for NY, but neither the facilities nor the equipment to make it happen. Their terminal space is woeful
45 777STL : I don't have any hatred for the airline, I just don't have much appreciation for its supporters who incessantly talk about Delta on here. This thread
46 LAXdude1023 : More than just a guess, I think its because of the arrogance of some of the die hard DL Kool-aid drinkers. God forbid you say anything that isnt comp
47 777STL : Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. The arrogance and the superiority complex becomes tiresome afterawhile. It wouldn't even be so bad if the fanb
48 ConcordeBoy : ...rather sure that London would beg to differ. You're joking, right? ...anyone who didn't feel the need/novelty to Frankfurt or Asia/Pacific?
49 FlyPNS1 : Bingo. I'm somewhat of an old-timer on this board and I can clearly remember a time when DL didn't get bashed at all. However, there also wasn't a sm
50 OA412 : Then why do you post in all the DL threads? Or better yet why do you read them? I'm really not being facetious or trying to be a jerk but if you know
51 WorldTraveler : and tell me which US carrier has more transcontinental range aircraft available... of course DL is winding down their 767 conversions but now many di
52 OA412 : I definitely agree with you here. I try not to be too overzealous but maybe sometimes I come off that way, I don't know. However, while I do agree th
53 CALPSAFltSkeds : Do you mean intercontinental? DL has 134 MD80/90s that aren't transcontinental capable. DL's fleet is showing its age with only 73NG and some 777LRs
54 WorldTraveler : it IS a fact. You are free to disagree but FACTS is FACTS. Then if you have been around as long as you say you have, then you know how absolutely rut
55 LAXdude1023 : You like to tell youself that and sometimes that may be the case. But not always. The other day you made a claim about how many passengers from the W
56 ConcordeBoy : it IS a fact. You are free to disagree but FACTS is FACTS. I'm not disagreeing... I'm saying London could just as easily claim that "title", consider
57 Rwy04LGA : Simple. no one gives a damn about those other airlines. JOKING!! lol Perhaps Delta really IS a great airline to fly and work for. I certainly love my
58 COalways : I wouldnt call them the BEST there far from it they still have ALOT of work to do. The only thing they have going for them now is takeing CO's play bo
59 Ocracoke : The employees still have their jobs. If DL management had liquidated a year before it filed for bankruptcy, then all employees would be out of a job.
60 ConcordeBoy : Delta, as an entity bearing that (in its) name, originated in Monroe, LA... which for all practical purposes, is nowhere near the Mississippi delta.
61 Lono : No not all the employees made it through BR.... many are gone due to the "turnaround"
62 Mike89406 : IIRC CO and WN and perhaps another airline or two are of the few airlines that avoided bankruptcy post 9/11 so by that token I know the old CO was in
63 Flynavy : Poor choice? There is a MARKET for the flights. I'm amazed at how often this moot point is brought up, not to mention that CO AND AA regularly send w
64 United1 : Of the Majors AA, WN, AS, B6, F9 and FL (not sure did they BK after the Valujet Crash before purchasing FL?) are the only US Major carriers that have
65 Post contains links Ocracoke : I just spent a few minutes trying to figure out why you would say something like that. How far is Monroe from Vicksburg? 60 miles? I'd say that is fo
66 United1 : Thats a fair and valid question DL did have the ability to shift capacity internationally well before BK was filed and based off todays domestic mark
67 Tootallsd : Pope, I totally agree with you and I think most posters / readers to this forum ignore these certain economic realities. I fly with American and Delt
68 OA412 : If you'd take a look at my join date, you'd see that I was here almost 3 years before you. Second, I have a life outside A.net so reigning in negativ
69 ConcordeBoy : ...and their employees express their heartfelt thanks for such by blocking long-sought routes and threatening work action. Truth is: with DL and NW n
70 777STL : Without personally attacking you, the cheerleaders bring it on themselves. Mostly because these threads can't exist without the cheerleaders trashing
71 Rwy04LGA : I know that, but we're talking about airlines not farming.
72 FlyPNS1 : The problem is that many of your "facts" simply aren't true. You claim lots of "facts" with the hope that nobody will have the time (or desire) to ch
73 777STL : Oh yeah, I forgot about that. What were his predictions? First it was UA was going to be liquidated in six months time - didn't happen. And then it w
74 Alitalia744 : Showing a flight attendant trying to deal with an on-board altercation is no way of showing customer service. We could show one for every airline inc
75 StarAlliance38 : This sounds like an opinion piece. Just because it has a lot of international destinations doesn't make it better. I fly mostly domestic. I haven't fl
76 Post contains images Flynavy :
77 Post contains images Breaker1011 : FlyNavy - now THAT was hilarious. You've made my weekend!    Honestly though (to everyone) - the article posted here is a good piece from an unbiase
78 WorldTraveler : yes... intercontinental is the appropriate word. but the key word is really available for redeployment. Many of AA's 757s could be redeployed to inte
79 LAXdude1023 : Hey bro, you made the claim, not me or Bob. Since you made the claim im not going to prove your arguement for you. And yes I would love to see some d
80 Planetime : Is there a plan by DL to expand or build a new facility? Their facility is in dire need of change, this could also hamper their growth. Here is an ide
81 Post contains images Flynavy : Come again?
82 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Yes, AA would totally agree to that.
83 Planetime : Just joking..... All I was saying is that with the underutilization AA at JFK and over utilizing of DL at JFK they HYPOTHEICALLY should swap terminal
84 Breaker1011 : Alitalia744 apparently knows of the final decisions regarding the JFK hardscape situation for DL. I believe he predicted that news would be made publi
85 Slider : Yup- the Glen and Bob show. Redeploy the copious quantity of 767-300s (after all, can't run an L1011 between ATL and MCO anymore, haha), add new poin
86 MCOAviationFan : Yes, I agree. Sometimes, certain comments from some posters do seem to be on the arrogant side. IMO, if one disagrees, it would be more constructive
87 777STL : True. But the really knowledgeable insiders, they know who they are, don't talk enough on here and we're left with the armchair DL cheerleaders who j
88 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Yes, but at what yields? IIRC, he knows about the different models thought about, but a final decision hadn't been made Not that I see it happening,
89 ConcordeBoy : Just as the US, global market size is determined by total revenue. Since when? Last time I checked, the standard was RPMs/RPKs, and do you have data
90 WorldTraveler : but DL has best in class costs so average revenue is good enough to be near the head of the pack in profitability. I don't know but I would bet that
91 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : I see that this thread has continued to be a testosterone fest between the DL and CO/AA crowd. Therefore since I'll provide my analysis of each airlin
92 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Thank you WorldTraveler. I did enjoy looking through the data. It kinda makes you wonder about the other NRT flights in the south (AA from DFW and CO
93 RwSEA : I think you're a bit off here with respect to DL. DL has not grown since 2000, they've shrunk considerably. What they've done is shift capacity aroun
94 WorldTraveler : the standard measure of performance in any industry is REVENUE. No one carries how many widgets you produce but they do care about how much money you
95 LAXdude1023 : I do remember when AA flew DFW-KIX. I sent a few people from LAX to connect. Not nearly as many as thorugh SFO, but a few nonetheless. It was also be
96 WorldTraveler : also to be expected since there are very few US-KIX flights in comparison to what's available to NRT.
97 Halls120 : There will be no DL/NW merger unless the NW pilots drop their unreasonable seniority demands.
98 Luv2fly : This is whats going to kill the merger that is for sure.
99 ConcordeBoy : what's unreasonable about their demands?
100 Halls120 : According to my brother, a DL Captain, NW wants the top 1500 spots on the seniority list, and that the bottom 2000 would be the most junior DL pilots
101 WorldTraveler : the story is not finished yet. There are alot of reasons ($$) why all parties want to make a deal work. Reasonable people in any situation can come u
102 Halls120 : It's finished unless NW drops their unreasonable seniority demands.
103 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : Thank you, however I would hope so because it's what I do for a living. Agreed, DL needs to secure capital in order to renew the entire fleet. I woul
104 SNCntry32 : I hardly consider their demands unreasonable, seniority is everything. Good for them for taking a stand.
105 Milesrich : If NW pilots are demanding that, the merger is finished, and then Delta can pursue a deal with CO or UA. In the meantime, NW will not be able to merg
106 Airlinespotter : I agree that by far DL has improve the most. However, if you compare DL with US/HP is not fair becuase US/HP not just emerged from their bankcruptcy
107 RwSEA : How can an airline that has retired dozens of planes in the last few years be classified as "growing"? The 762, 732, 733 have all been retired, with
108 Post contains images Airlinespotter : Don't forget the 727.
109 Post contains images Flynavy : There about 15 things wrong with that sentence. First of all, show me the "drop in domestic capacity, especially to Florida" on the flight schedule.
110 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : I disagree, the US/HP merger was poorly organized and was done "on the fly" without proper planning and contingency plans. Also with US being in BK a
111 WorldTraveler : to add, DL has reallocated its aircraftsuch that they are flying "harder". Shifting 30 widebodies to flights that operate 16+ hrs per day instead of
112 MasseyBrown : Despite being the whipping boy of a.net, US earns a pretty good dollar - net profit $427 million for 2007 with a 3.64% margin. For comparison DL's po
113 Mayor : Being new on here, I've yet to be involved in the love/hate posts that have to do with Delta. I can say that I spent 33 1/2 years with Delta and I sti
114 MCOAviationFan : Actually, I believe the current management is more in tune than you may think. I look at the actions after the entrance to BK and subsequent emergenc
115 WorldTraveler : with all due respect, the world is not what it was 30 years ago. I have followed DL for about that long and know they have a long and proud history. H
116 Luv2fly : You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. The problem is no matter how much glitz and glamour you add it is still the same underneath. Saying goe
117 MCOAviationFan : I guess DL should just close up shop tomorrow according to this philosophy. No matter what they do or who they try it with, it's still the same under
118 Luv2fly : If you bothered to have read what I said you would understand that they need to fix the problem before dressing it up. So hope that helps.
119 MCOAviationFan : I did bother to read what you said! There is no mention of fixing the problem before dressing it up in that statement. It came across completely nega
120 SESGDL : I'm a huge DL lover and flier but DL has shrunk considerably domestically in the last 3 years. Their domestic capacity to Florida has dropped some 30
121 Mayor : with all due respect, the world is not what it was 30 years ago. I have followed DL for about that long and know they have a long and proud history. H
122 CV880 : Much of what has been, pro & con, are true, based upon what some of us have been thru over the past 30~40 years. The Deltoids had it pretty good unti
123 WorldTraveler : poor you. you mean you're not the CEO of the 50K employee workforce even though you think you are? for an airline, technology seems to be nothing but
124 Halls120 : US might make more money than DL now, but in terms of service, they aren't close to being comparable. DL employees actually try to give service. US e
125 WorldTraveler : I know plenty of DL employees who have been disenfranchised by DL over the past few years. And I can thoroughly understand why they feel why they feel
126 Evan767 : I heard today that Delta will surpass United as the USA's 2nd biggest airline by ASMs in July. Anyone else hear anything about this?
127 WorldTraveler : it is mentioned in the article above.
128 Post contains images Flynavy :
129 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...I'd beg to differ
130 CV880 : I have nothing against technology--I'm all for it, especially in Delta's case....it took the Airline an unforgivable amount of time to develop a comp
131 Slider : Whatever makes you sleep at night....fact is, DL is getting fewer cents on a dollar that their competitors get. Yes, we all acknowledge the RASM/CASM
132 Mayor : World Traveler said: "poor you. you mean you're not the CEO of the 50K employee workforce even though you think you are?" I don't believe I implied th
133 Post contains images EMB170 : All airlines have their shining moments (well, maybe not Air Koryo or Iran Air), and all airlines have times when they simply drop the ball. DL is a
134 AirMike2 : Delta deserves kudos for many things, including their excellent airport automation in the areas of kiosks, gate management and signage. They always se
135 WorldTraveler : Oh i do see it..... most of the basic transactions should not be terribly complex....seat assignment, ticket sales, boarding should all be pretty aut
136 Nzrich : Well i have flown US and the flights i had were on time had great customer service .. The US employees i had did not seem to be just going through th
137 Halls120 : If Delta has a weak spot currently, it is their ground staff. They don't seem to have enough of them to go around at crunch time. You must have had s
138 BNinMSY : I would just say they are the most arrogant and rude of them all! Yes I generalized ... but in general they are.
139 Mayor : Yes, they made it attractive to me, basically because of the medical benefits......other than that, why I left early is none of your business but don
140 WorldTraveler : I didn't ask you for details and you shared more than I needed to know.. but it helps to know that you are retired and not active. You obviously are
141 Mayor : I can wager that every one of those HAPPY Delta people wish they had those payraises they missed for all those years. Some people handle it differentl
142 Nzrich : Two of the flights had the old US livery so i assume it was with East crews on those flights .. I would guess i had both as had flights on the east a
143 Mayor : Hey!! So do I!
144 CV880 : You are WAY out of line on this one dude. Many of us had to retire to retain medical benefits during retirement(and they are still not guaranteed). H
145 Lono : Hey! Welcome both to my RU list! As a retired DL employee, I too have seen some things that just defy explanation. People like World Travelier have -
146 WorldTraveler : of course they do.. but many also know that isn't something they can control unless they leave DL and the airline industry... so they are grateful fo
147 CV880 : I don't think that i'm speaking just for myself, but many more in the same circumstance. As for the medical, I believe that all ground retirees and p
148 Bobnwa : Nice pat on the back you gave yourself. Are you sure that others feel that way? WT, I read your answer about how many west coast passengers, Delta ca
149 Mayor : Some people have selective memories and forget how they were treated by Leo and his gang. Just because we're retirees doesn't mean we can't keep our
150 WorldTraveler : not all. There wasn't even a majority of DL employees that participated in the 401K and many who rec'd stock options cashed out earlier. I do too. In
151 Mayor : I'm not the only one. There are 65,000 retirees out there. Not sure how many feel jaded but I imagine it's a substantial amount. This could be cosmet
152 Bobnwa : Give me a number, less than one a day. Why did you bring it up as an example of how well DL was doing on its ATL-NRT flight. It was also brought up b
153 Mayor : I think he has Widget colored glasses. Probably thought everything was hunky dorey during the last of the Ron Allen years and during Leo's reign. Trus
154 Breaker1011 : Give it a break on the topic of ATL to Asia from the west would you all? I've been routed on Continental (yes, CONTINENTAL) twice in the past 2 years
155 Rwy04LGA : Well said and illustrated!
156 WorldTraveler : would you tell me what WORKING people have variable incomes? Lots of people at DL and other companies are salaried and don't have the option of overt
157 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : Don't count on it Yes i like this idea.......but AA might not Alitalia pretty much knows all LOL NW added CDG-NRT? that would be why DL has 71 737-83
158 Mayor : I don't know what people at other companies, do. Frankly, I don't care. I'm talking about Delta, which I have knowledge of. People that are STILL wor
159 Airtechy : My history with flying Delta goes back to my first commercial airline flight in early 1966 on a Delta DC-7 from Knoxville to Atlanta...where we circle
160 Breaker1011 : Good post Airtechy! I agree with you - I have zero ties to Delta Air Lines with the exception of forking over lots of cash for about 2.4 million miles
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