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AA Cancelling Everything At DFW  
User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15727 times:

Looks like AA is cancelling everything at DFW tonight-6th. Guess the rain/ice/snow had quite an impact.

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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15701 times:

as of what time? when do they plan to restart.

that will be a huge mess to recover from.


User currently offlineKatwspotter From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15634 times:

dont we all just love days like this when we are working out on the ramp...lol


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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15469 times:

Yall in the north get the snow and stuff but down in Florida we work the ramp in the pouring rain!  Big grin


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User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15147 times:



Quoting N312RC (Reply 3):
Yall in the north get the snow and stuff but down in Florida we work the ramp in the pouring rain!

DFW is by no means in the North.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11973 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15010 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
that will be a huge mess to recover from.

Don't worry.

I'm sure they can handle it, just like how Delta does just fine when the summer storms come rolling through ATL.


User currently offlineGlbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14893 times:



Quoting Seattle Ops (Thread starter):
Looks like AA is cancelling everything at DFW tonight-6th. Guess the rain/ice/snow had quite an impact.

Hmmm... There's nothing on aa.com about this and the radar is clear with temps around 36 right now. Got a link or something with details?


User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14812 times:



Quoting Glbltrvlr (Reply 6):
Hmmm... There's nothing on aa.com about this and the radar is clear with temps around 36 right now. Got a link or something with details?

Goto the gates and times section of AA and select almost any domestic city pair out of DFW, and see what your results are. Massive cancelations.


User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14780 times:

AA wasn't able to keep up with de-icing ops and cx all flights into and out of DFW after 5pm local.

User currently offlineGlbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14757 times:



Quoting AA757200 (Reply 7):

Goto the gates and times section of AA and select almost any domestic city pair out of DFW, and see what your results are. Massive cancelations.

Gotcha. Strange they don't post anything up front. Ft Worth paper says 500 flights canceled today but only 1" of snow at the airport.


User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14713 times:



Quoting Glbltrvlr (Reply 9):
only 1" of snow at the airport.

As a native of the metroplex, one inch of snow at DFW roughly equates to about three feet in Chicago.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14669 times:

Well, DFW is about 25 miles as the crow flies from my house. DFW got 1", we got 2-3". I was watching NBC 5 news, and they were reporting of an American Eagle plane that was sitting on the tarmac for 5 hours. I guess AA pulled a JetBlue!


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User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14556 times:

AA blows that's all i have to say.

I am a executive platinum with AA and I was schedule to go on a business trip to DFW from SJC on AA1846 today. I signed up for e-mail alert on flight status. Told me nothing. I arrived at aiport to find that flight cancelled at around 1:30. So tired of waiting for gate agent to fix my intineary (i am schedule to flight back to SFO and onward to HKG next day).

Called the EP desk, the auto answer system is having problems. Waited 10 minutes to speak to an agent, got "no circuit available". Repeated that for 3 hours finally go through. I asked to rebook to march 30th as I no longer able to get to Dallas and make it HKG over the weekend. AA agent said, I will need to cancel my current booking and book at higher fare. I am pissed. While I understand the weather caused AA to cancel the flights, but with reservation system crashing for over 3 hours, no heads up warning, and they wanted to charge me more????

I hate domestic carriers.


User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14402 times:

Can't really blame AA on the cancellation thought. DFW doesn't expect to handle that many of De-icing compare to ORD or DEN to name a few airports.

Quoting Glbltrvlr (Reply 9):
Gotcha. Strange they don't post anything up front. Ft Worth paper says 500 flights canceled today but only 1" of snow at the airport.

Snow fall isn't just one of the many factors that airlines cancels flights. Enroute weathers, airport condition, etc. are taken into consideration before that can happen.


User currently offlineFVTu134 From Russia, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13500 times:

Maybe they just ran out of De-icing fluid....

FVTU134



who decided that a Horizon should be HORIZONtal???
User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13502 times:



Quoting AA757200 (Reply 10):
As a native of the metroplex, one inch of snow at DFW roughly equates to about three feet in Chicago.

True....being from Chicago and knowing several individuals that live in the DFW area they say that everything shuts down and people go crazy when there is only an inch or two of snow.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13431 times:



Quoting AA757200 (Reply 4):
DFW is by no means in the North.

Sure it is. Texas is a country unto itself, and DFW is the gateway to the north...  Wink



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13230 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 11):
I guess AA pulled a JetBlue!

Not even close buddy. These type of cancelations do occur at times (Recall DL ATL shutdown, WN MDW shutdown a few weeks back?). The Jetblue fiasco was a complete operational meltdown that effected all B6 operations, not just one city, with planes sitting on the tarmac for up to 14hours.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13150 times:

Suck for them. Hope the hotels are ready...


What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11399 times:



Quoting N312RC (Reply 3):
Yall in the north get the snow and stuff but down in Florida we work the ramp in the pouring rain!

So do we... It's called "thunderstorm season," and happens right after "blizzard season."  Big grin



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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11308 times:



Quoting Chi-town (Reply 15):
True....being from Chicago and knowing several individuals that live in the DFW area they say that everything shuts down and people go crazy when there is only an inch or two of snow.

It's even worse than that - they close schools and many businesses when snow is even in the forecast. It's better that way - ever see a Dallas driver in an ice storm? Those SUV's that are so popular down there can navigate the Galleria parking lots with few problems, but nobody apparently told them that 4 wheel drive and massive hulk do absolutely nothing when it comes to doing a little thing called "stopping" on the ice.


User currently offlineMQTmxguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10995 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 19):
Quoting N312RC (Reply 3):
Yall in the north get the snow and stuff but down in Florida we work the ramp in the pouring rain!

So do we... It's called "thunderstorm season," and happens right after "blizzard season."

Ain't that the truth, and lemme tell ya, I'll take rain over a blizzard any day of the week.

Quoting Chiawei (Reply 12):
While I understand the weather caused AA to cancel the flights, but with reservation system crashing for over 3 hours, no heads up warning, and they wanted to charge me more????

I'm willing to bet that with 500 flights cancelled the agents and the res system were overwhelmed with the 20,000 other "I'm an Executive Platinum" types.

As for the increased fare, Did you buy a refundable ticket? If you didn't then standard rebooking fees apply, sorry. Airlines (as in industry standard, not just AA) do not compensate for "acts of god".



Well at least we can all take comfort in the fact that NW will never retire their DC-9s
User currently offlineChris133 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10811 times:



Quoting AA757200 (Reply 10):
As a native of the metroplex, one inch of snow at DFW roughly equates to about three feet in Chicago.

As funny as it seems, even the threat of possibly getting 1" of snow will shut down the DFW area.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10738 times:



Quoting Chi-town (Reply 15):
True....being from Chicago and knowing several individuals that live in the DFW area they say that everything shuts down and people go crazy when there is only an inch or two of snow.



Quoting Chris133 (Reply 22):
As funny as it seems, even the threat of possibly getting 1" of snow will shut down the DFW area.

As was mentioned earlier, the official statement from DFW was that these cancellations were due to the limited de-icing operation, not the snow per se.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10384 times:



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 23):
these cancellations were due to the limited de-icing operation

heck yes....you look 24hrs out at the forecast....you then look at how many deice units do you have and how many can they do per hour during the morning bank....check to see how crews balance out.....and that is the number of aircraft you overnight and you cancel the rest.

and this storm is just getting going...KCVG may get from 6-10 inches, KATL is getting slowed down and restricted...and there is a tornado watch down around KTLH and then the whole i95 corridor get's hit later which means DL has 3 hubs impacted...USAir has at least 2.....gonna be ugly start to the weekend.


25 Ssides : A lot of people (myself included) like to poke fun at Texans' state of panic when snow is even forecast, and lots of times that's true -- however, wha
26 Alphascan : Funny thing, this happens everywhere the snow flies and melts, not just Texas.
27 Commavia : Not to mention that not all winter storms are created equal. Now, as someone who has experienced plenty of real blizzards in New York over the years,
28 COPA737DFW : AA 61 to NRT left the gate around noon and returned around 6pm and was cancelled. It never took off. Poor passengers.. It was a mess here, it took me
29 Post contains images Flysherwood : Which equates to about a 1/4" of snow at PDX!!!
30 DFW13L : It's not just the kneejerk reaction that leads to the mass cancellations. I think it's more of a cost/benefit analysis. What costs more during a wint
31 AznCSA4QF744ER : OMG that's horrible. AA should have that plane back at a gate a lot sooner than having those passengers waited SIX hours on the plane. Given the dist
32 NKMCO : I couldn't agree more. I was supposed to go to Europe for 2 days and they canceled my flight (50+ planes waiting for de-icing). Customer service was
33 Nwaesc : So true! LOL! I haven't lived there for a couple years now... Do they still have some poor cub reporter up on Sylvan whenever there's going to be so
34 Ckfred : What did the ice storm do to WN operations at DAL?
35 AA757200 : Same thing. It's such a tiny operation compared to DFW, so the magnitude of the delays will be much smaller throughout the system.
36 Katwspotter : And hopefully that will be coming soon. I had to laugh...my manager got an email a few days ago that said MEM had successfully deiced 14 aircraft (9E
37 Post contains images Silver1SWA : Lucky...all I ever get to work in at SAN is the 70 degree sun.
38 DeltaL1011man : same for Atlanta just like here in ATL.....hell if someone says the word snow everything closes up.
39 Post contains images Thomasphoto60 : Andi it is equally comical to see NYers and the like melt when temps rise above 85F + 70% humidity (I know I do), BTW, I am from Minnesota, and we kn
40 N1120A : Sounds like what happened at IAH a couple years ago where they actually had to fly de-icing fluid in from MSY. No it isn't.
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