Flymad From South Africa, joined Jun 2006, 207 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
Hope you see the picture - first time I'm linking an image!
Don't know if this has been discussed before - did a search but nothing similar came up? I would presume that studies were done on the predicted results should and aircraft with angled seats as in the picture above make a crash landing. Does anyone have any idea what effect the deceleration would have on a passenger in the above seat as apposed to the normal forward facing seat. What sort of forces will the passenger be subjected to as a result of sitting at an angle to the direction of flight?
Would this thread be better directed to the tech forum
Antonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2778 times:
It seems very strange to me having seats placed so the passengers have their backs to the window. Its like putting seats in a movie theatre all facing the side wall. I know theres nothing to see out there but everyone likes to look out the window
NicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2737 times:
absolute agree Antonovman.
I really wondered about the flying feeling having to look "into" the cabin all the time. Furthermore you need to bend your neck all the time to get an outside view.
Would be really nice to listen to someone who experienced those seats.
MarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2737 times:
As noted previously, the company Amsafe specifically designed airbags for these Herringbone seats. The airbag actually has to be utilized in ensure compliance with the FAA 16G survival rule. VS, CX, AC and DL are/will all use the airbag seatbelt for these side-way facing seats. (CX uses a three point belt for the B747 fleet only.)
Quoting Flymad (Thread starter): Does anyone have any idea what effect the deceleration would have on a passenger in the above seat as apposed to the normal forward facing seat.
They are more likely to suffer a headstrike on the lateral wall surface. Unlike the seat back on a conventional aircraft seat, these side walls are not designed to absorb the energy of a head impact.
Release your seat-belts and get out! Leave everything!
RFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2626 times:
Originally most airliner seats were rear facing because it was assumed they would be safer.
The key executive seats on many business jets today are rear facing for safety reasons.
Airlines have operated aircraft in the past, and I think some still do, with passengers belted in couch type seating 90 degrees to the direction of travel. Many more business jets have that type of sideways seating.
In general the floor mounts for the aircraft seat, even in first and business class, will fail before the passenger will receive enough force from the seat belt for a fatal injury.
Airplane crashes are unlike automobile crashes. Those usually involve a very hard stop and a major source of injury is being thrown backward in reaction to the sudden stop. Survivable aircraft crashes dissipate the forward movement forces much slower and over a longer period than automobile wrecks.
If an aircraft hits something to stop as suddenly as an automobile - the passenger and crew do not have the forward force protection of an automobile. A survivable automobile crash with a sudden stop at 60 mph/ 100 kph is not survivable in an aircraft. The seat floor mounts will fail and the fuselage will crush to 40-50% of it's normal length.
Aircraft crashes also frequently involve a lot more lateral forces than automobiles - so the direction the seat is facing is not as much of an issue as in automobiles.
Aircraft simply are not structurally strong enough to keep the passenger protected in heavy impact crashes like automobiles - even the automobiles of 50 years ago.
Cloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2448 times:
I have experienced Virgin's Upper Class, which has a herringbone pattern. As far as the outside seats, I guess a lot of people don't really look out the windows that much anyway, for it to matter. also, in an arrangement like this you have a lot more open space, so it's not like you are closed in like you are in economy. Having said that, from the center aisle row, it's actually really nice - because you are in fact looking out over a wall of windows, not sideways through one. True, you are also looking AT all the passengers in front of you, but you get over that quickly. The one thing I was surprised at is the feeling of taking off at such an angle. You definitely notice it, particularly at landing time, but it wasn't as unpleasant as I expected.
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I wasn't referring to it being an angled lie flat, I was referring to the first class suite being at an angle in relation to the direction it faces in the seat mode. It is angled towards the aisle, that is why it is equipped with a shoulder belt similar to a three point seat belt found in a car.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27206 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2055 times:
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 7): Originally most airliner seats were rear facing because it was assumed they would be safer.
I'm pretty sure they still are rear-facing on RAF transport aircraft. The RAF has always considered rear-facing seats to be safer.
Quoting Antonovman (Reply 4): I know theres nothing to see out there but everyone likes to look out the window
I'm not so sure about that. I would bet that the majority of frequent business travellers who make up the major market for these products prefer aisle seats. I certainly do simply because I don't like being trapped and having to climb over a sleeping passenger. And many traditional business class reclining seats do virtually trap the window-seat passenger when the aisle seat is fully reclined even at 60 inch pitch.
My personal preference on aircraft with 2-2-2 seating is one of the two seats in the center section as you always have direct access to an aisle without having to disturb another passenger (or be disturbed). That's one major benefit of the herringbone layout. And many passengers would probably prefer to sit at a slight angle rather than facing backwards like half the seats (including all window seats) in the BA Club World layout.
The LED informs the flight attendant that the seat is in the proper fully upright position, but not the status of the seat belt. The air bag seat belt must still be visually confirmed by the cabin crew, for one very important reason: they crew must ensure the belt is not twisted. (The back of the airbag seatbelt has a safety placard that the cabin crew will see if the belt is indeed twisted.)
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 13): That's an urban legend if I've ever heard one!
While it is true that rear facing seats are safer (that is why flight attendants frequently are in rear facing seats, as they are considered essential safety "equipment"), the fact that business jets use this design for this reason is probably not true. Most biz-jet seats can actually rotate 180 degrees so that the passenger can face forward as well. Also, business jets have side facing seats, which we call the "death seat"...you really, really don't want to be sitting there in an accident. While humans are remarkably resilient at surviving rear and frontal impacts, side impacts are poorly tolerated. If biz-jets were designed with ensuring the survival of their occupants, they would remove the side facing seats.
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