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SkyBus Starts "phl" Aka Wilmington, DE  
User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

Today SkyBus is scheduled to start service between CMH and PHL (Wilmington, DE). Looks like it may be a rough first day though. Between the snow in Ohio and heavy rain for Delaware forcasted it should be an interesting start. Good Luck.
Although I am not a fan of "a'la Carte" airlines, it is nice to see scheduled service return to the First State. Hopefully more will follow.

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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

I will give this ILG route a conservative 6 months tops and they'll end up dumping it...everyone that has tried ILG in the past has been unsuccessful. I really don't think Skybus will be any different.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Perhaps they would have a better chance with Punta Gorda and FLL as opposed to CMH


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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Being that PHL is a city I travel to a good 5-6 times a year to see relatives, my question for all you out in that area, what kind of advertising have you seen from SkyBus. The only way I think they'd make it is with advertising. One of my cousins in that area lives about 10 minutes from ILG and travels 2x a week to ATL for his medical firm, and the entire time that the Delta Connection flew the route, he never knew about and I laughed. He flies out of PHL on Delta so much that many of the agents there know him on a first name basis, but with this and his busy on the road lifestyle, he missed the new airline service that was only 10 minutes from his own house. He wrote a letter commenting on this and the reply that he received from DL was that some airline's budgets don't allow for such expenses, well then, don't complain when you have to pull the route, right?

User currently offlineUSflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 268 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

As someone who works in the airline industry, and lives in the PHL area, I have heard zero about Skybus in ILG until this posting. Perhaps they're doing something south of PHL (billboards?) but there's nothing on local tv or radio, nor any print ads. No billboards around Philly either. If they don't get the word out, it won't last.

User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2630 times:



Quoting John (Reply 1):
I will give this ILG route a conservative 6 months tops and they'll end up dumping it...everyone that has tried ILG in the past has been unsuccessful. I really don't think Skybus will be any different.

Yes, but the latest DL, was using 40 seat CRJ-40s and competing directly with it's own 8 or 9 daily mainline flights just 25 miles up the road. Skybus on the other hand will use 150 seat A319s - a big difference from a CRJ. Still it's difficult to forecast the route's success based on it's destination. How many ILG region passengers will fly to or want to connect through Columbus? On the other hand, on average (over 3 months), close to 520 daily passengers fly from CMH to PHL. Florida (from ILG) would seem to have been a much better choice, except I believe Skybus is targeting primarily business travelers.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2559 times:



Quoting Vega (Reply 5):
Yes, but the latest DL, was using 40 seat CRJ-40s and competing directly with it's own 8 or 9 daily mainline flights just 25 miles up the road. Skybus on the other hand will use 150 seat A319s - a big difference from a CRJ.

A difference indeed, having to fill almost 4 times the number of seats that Delta couldn't fill. Yes, I know, A319 has better economics and Skybus will offer lower fares, but still, those 150 seats don't profitably fill themselves, especially if Skybus is indeed lacking in advertising in the Philly area as USflt1778 suggested.


User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2415 times:



Quoting USflt1778 (Reply 4):
As someone who works in the airline industry, and lives in the PHL area, I have heard zero about Skybus in ILG until this posting. Perhaps they're doing something south of PHL (billboards?) but there's nothing on local tv or radio, nor any print ads. No billboards around Philly either. If they don't get the word out, it won't last.

This is the unfortunate thing about Skybus.....I think they assume that just by people reading newspaper articles, or stuff on the web that everyone will know about it.....SX's advertising is almost non-existent in a lot of ways. Hell, I still have to explain Skybus to people living in Dayton sometimes....now that's sad.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2233 times:



Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 3):
One of my cousins in that area lives about 10 minutes from ILG and travels 2x a week to ATL for his medical firm, and the entire time that the Delta Connection flew the route, he never knew about and I laughed. He flies out of PHL on Delta so much that many of the agents there know him on a first name basis, but with this and his busy on the road lifestyle, he missed the new airline service that was only 10 minutes from his own house.

But if he flies 2x/week to ATL for work (which essentially means he's Platinum Medallion), you have to wonder if he'd choose to take a more convenient (but less comfortable) CRJ from ILG or deal with the hassle of PHL in exchange for a near-guaranteed first class upgrade.

Quoting Vega (Reply 5):
I believe Skybus is targeting primarily business travelers.

 rotfl 

Seriously? I'd be utterly shocked if a single daily mid-day round-trip between CMH and ILG on the Skybus product were even remotely attractive to business travelers when there are nine daily round-trips on two carriers between CMH and PHL.

Quoting John (Reply 1):
I will give this ILG route a conservative 6 months tops and they'll end up dumping it...everyone that has tried ILG in the past has been unsuccessful. I really don't think Skybus will be any different.

I don't see it working, either, (at least profitably) given the availability of low-fare service between CMH and PHL.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2219 times:



Quoting USflt1778 (Reply 4):
As someone who works in the airline industry, and lives in the PHL area, I have heard zero about Skybus in ILG until this posting.

Same here, and I live 15 min from ILG.


User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

I live in Philly and haven't seen any ads for Skybus. However, CBS 3 did a story on them and the new service from ILG a couple of weeks ago. The consumer reporter Jim Donovan did the story and took a couple Skybus flights from CMH.

http://cbs3.com/consumer/3.On.Your.2.662595.html


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2050 times:



Quoting Vega (Reply 5):
How many ILG region passengers will fly to or want to connect through Columbus?

Good luck with that "connect through Columbus" considering they're not "guaranteed" connections, booked on separate itineraries. If you're late out of ILG and get to Columbus after your "connecting" flight has already departed... sorry about your luck. And with Skybus' scheduling you'll probably need to spend AT LEAST one overnight in Columbus

Quoting Vega (Reply 5):
Yes, but the latest DL, was using 40 seat CRJ-40s and competing directly with it's own 8 or 9 daily mainline flights just 25 miles up the road.

And DL was going to a significantly bigger hub and travel market, with REAL connecting opportunities.


User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1892 times:



Quoting USflt1778 (Reply 4):
If they don't get the word out, it won't last

The only "advertising" if you want to call it that is a banner hanging up on the terminal that says "Welcome SkyBus" I see it daily on my drive to and from PHL. Although, DL did just about as much advertising.
It really surprises me that these airlines didn't advertise or at least send the sales team out to all the business in downtown ILG or even PHL. There a ALOT of people in DE that work in PHL and have to deal with the traffic and delays with PHL, when if marketed properly and flight times were good, ILG could succeed. Put a few N/S to ORD, JFK, BOS and I am sure there would be sustainable interest. Hell, free parking, not dealing with I95, going from parking lot to gate in a matter of minutes. It sounds like a good idea.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1825 times:

Due to WN already offering PHL-CMH service, SkyBus' ILG-CMH route may have a tough time surviving on its own; the price differential may not be there to attract flyers. Once ILG-GSO service is offered; people might give SkyBus another look as an alternate to the sky-high US fares.

Quoting Vega (Reply 5):
Yes, but the latest DL, was using 40 seat CRJ-40s and competing directly with it's own 8 or 9 daily mainline flights just 25 miles up the road.

Not to mention that DL's ILG fares were at least 3 to 4 times as much as their own PHL (& BWI) fares to ATL (courtesy of competition from FL). Granted, there may be some who will pay a little extra for ILG's convenience; they're NOT going to pay that much.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1760 times:



Quoting John (Reply 1):
I will give this ILG route a conservative 6 months tops and they'll end up dumping it...everyone that has tried ILG in the past has been unsuccessful. I really don't think Skybus will be any different.

I agree, if they were flying ILG-SFB or MCO, It might work


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