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User currently offlineFarnborough24 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 167 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

Hi all, just wondering about the various ages airlines seem to have for you to sit in an exit row...


What is the actual legal position re. this? I assume there are defined laws regarding the age of people sitting in exit rows-I assume the youngest is 12/14, and the oldest is 65-am I wrong?

And does anyone out there except me think that airlines should have a policy of the youngest legal age being the age which is accepted, with exit seats then being available at check-in, at the discretion of check in agents regarding the person in question. With this system, an agent could look at a tiny 17 year old girl, and at me at 15, and see that I'm clearly going to be more capable than her in an emergency situation. I'm now 18, and hence it seems not really to be an issue any more, but I don't know if anyone else out there has observed this/felt any similar frustrations?


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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8816 times:

Exit rows shouldn't be available to minors.

I had a frustration on one international flight a while back, which was partially the airlines fault for making the connection so stupidly tight, but anyhow - the people in the exit row were young, and for most of the flight acted like immature brats.

In an emergency, I wouldn't like to see the results. I guess it's the case of telling the cabin staff what they want to hear in order to get more leg room.

CASA specifies this:
http://www.casa.gov.au/airsafe/trip/seating.htm

The Senate talks about it:
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/Committ...iries/2002-04/civil/report/c02.htm

The FAA (USA) says this:
http://www.faa.gov/passengers/fly_safe/information/

I don't know if it is forbidden, but I would also expect passengers travelling in exit rows to not be allowed to consume alcoholic or intoxicating substances which could render them incapable of providing assistance and/or making appropriate judgements in the event of an emergency. If they don't wish to abide by this requirement, they shouldn't be allowed to sit in those rows.

Whenever I'm in an exit row - I never consume alcohol. I personally don't think it is appropriate to do so.
[Edited 2008-03-07 21:20:50]

[Edited 2008-03-07 21:22:17]

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8804 times:



Quoting Farnborough24 (Thread starter):
I assume there are defined laws regarding the age of people sitting in exit rows-I assume the youngest is 12/14, and the oldest is 65-am I wrong?

In the US, minimum age is 15 to sit an exit row (the same age that Unaccompanied Minor fees no longer apply for most if not all airlines).
Haven't heard anything about a maximum age for the exit row.

Quoting Farnborough24 (Thread starter):
With this system, an agent could look at a tiny 17 year old girl, and at me at 15, and see that I'm clearly going to be more capable than her in an emergency situation. I'm now 18, and hence it seems not really to be an issue any more, but I don't know if anyone else out there has observed this/felt any similar frustrations?

You'd like to think that in certain emergencies (one where you know the plane is going down and have some time to prepare), that the F/As would be able to move some of the stronger and more able-bodied passengers to the exit rows.


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8795 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 2):
You'd like to think that in certain emergencies (one where you know the plane is going down and have some time to prepare), that the F/As would be able to move some of the stronger and more able-bodied passengers to the exit rows.

Those are the passengers who should be there in the first place, rather than the "Special Alliance Super Gold Titanium Extra Million Miles Premium Benefits World Loyal Traveller" (made up to not name any particular airline) who gets the seat pre-reserved. Pre-reservations before arriving at the airport shouldn't be allowed on those seats.


User currently offlineFL1TPA From United States of America, joined May 2004, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

As stated above, 15 is the minimum age in the U.S. There is no maximum age. The flight attendant must ask all customers in the exit rows if they are aware they are seated in an exit row, if they understand thier responsibilities seated in the exit rows and are they willing to assist in an emergency. If they reply negatively to any part of this, the flight attendant may reseat the customer. There is no upper age limit as long as they comprehend the above criteria.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 2):
You'd like to think that in certain emergencies (one where you know the plane is going down and have some time to prepare), that the F/As would be able to move some of the stronger and more able-bodied passengers to the exit rows.

Indeed, in a planned land/water emergency landing and evacuation, we certainly would reseat able-bodied customers to seats nearest the emergency exits. This may even require the removal of other customers that previously met the restrictions for sitting there. I know I would rather have the 34 year old, 225 lb., 6'3" guy next to that exit window than the 73 year old, 110 lb., 5'2" guy.

FL1TPA



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User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8758 times:

to tell you the truth, I don't care what age they are, as long as they are responsible and understand and are capable of the responsability they have in an emergency. At 13 I was in exit rows and never had a problem, but the fact was I knew what to do.

User currently offlineFarnborough24 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

Ok, interesting stuff. Personally I agree with others-I don't think it should be possible to pre-book exit row seats, as it is not possible for airline employees to asses the suitability of the person to sit there until they arrive at the airport, where greater stress could be caused moving people around etc. Consequently, I think they should be assigned at the airport only.


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3931 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

FR states that no one under 16 can sit at an exit row, they claim it is a legal requirement. FR make many of their own rules up, but I would imagine this rule is the standard for all Irish registered aircraft. FR would have no reason to make up such a rule.

I think it should be judged on how fit/able a person is. I've seen some older people assigned a seat, and they could hardly store a bag in the overhead compartment. How would they deal with a 25KG o/w exit door? For all critical stages of flight those in exit rows should be fit and mobile. A pre-payment of a fee, or status should not entile a person to put someone else in danger. Move once the fasten seatbelt sign has been switched off.

Brian.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8601 times:

No problems assigning exit rows in advance (partially because I am an elite frequent flyer and thus can book these seats in advance). If you're not fit to sit in these seats, they can take them away from you at the gate and reassign you - it's not that difficult to do. If you're coming through the boarding lane and it's quite clear you can't take the exit row, the airline can simply reassign your seat. I don't see how this puts anyone in danger, as that way the gate agent is making sure the person can sit there and avoid problems before that person gets on the plane, but it still allows the airline's most important customers to be able to have access to some of the best seats in coach.

User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8498 times:



Quoting FL1TPA (Reply 4):
If they reply negatively to any part of this, the flight attendant may reseat the customer.

MUST reseat them.

Also, people in exit rows may not be traveling with anyone under the age of 15 since you don't want the passenger at the exit focused on their child sitting X rows in front of or behind.

As previously stated, no upper age limit, the passenger just has to be willing/able to assist (in their opinion). But they are usually honest. At HA on interisland flights I had pregnant women and the ederly usually ask to be reseated afetr I explained the emergency procedures.

As for alcohol, there is no restriction on drinking in the exit rows......not sure if I agree with that.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8463 times:



Quoting Farnborough24 (Thread starter):
With this system, an agent could look at a tiny 17 year old girl, and at me at 15, and see that I'm clearly going to be more capable than her in an emergency situation.

Don't assume that all females can't handle lifting 35-45 lbs. We had a tiny gal that worked with us on the ramp, couldn't have passed 5 foot and more than a 100lbs wet, and yet she was throwing 70 lb bags with the rest of us.

If they are able to understand verbal directions, speak the language on that aircraft, and are at or over the age of 15 they have as much right to sit there than you in your example.

Now, maturity is a different situation all together and I will not argue that someone who is 25 is much more qualified than someone who is only 15. Not based on strength, but based on leadership. In the unlikely event of an emergency, I would want someone who has actually held a job or two outside of fast food.

XJR



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8430 times:

I believe in Russia the age is 18.. Let's not talk about Aeroflot's bizarre exit row assignment policies out of JFK and SVO, however.

-A



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User currently offline757lgw From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 152 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8271 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 7):
FR states that no one under 16 can sit at an exit row, they claim it is a legal requirement. FR make many of their own rules up, but I would imagine this rule is the standard for all Irish registered aircraft. FR would have no reason to make up such a rule

This is inncorrect, we dont let anyone under 18 occupy seats at the emergency exits on ryanair. I am however unsure if this is law as i beleive aer lingus allows anyone over 14 to occupy seats at the exits so who knows.


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8266 times:

I flew BEY-BUD with Malev in summer. On the BEY-BUD leg I sat in the emergency exit row, but on the way back they did not allow me to in BUD. I am 17, 16 at the time. During check in at BUD the lady said we shouldn't allow anyone under the age of 18 sit in the exit row, and when I mentioned that I did on the way in she said that should not have happened.

In December I flew with GF to KUL via BAH. I sat in the emergency row on both the BEY-BAH and BAH-BEY legs along with two 17 year old friends.



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User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

lol I think the talk of not letting anyone in an exit row under 18 is funny, and people saying that people in their twenties are generally more mature, I was 18 when I started as a flight attendant doing solo operations on Dash-8 100/200s I could evacuate that aircraft equal to or batter than anyone at any age, and I can tell you age is most defiantly not a determinate for a judgement on maturity.

In Aus exit row pax;
-Must meet the min age is 15 with no max.
-Must not be frail (ie some of the elderly)
-must not be suffering any permanent or temporary injuries or disabilities
-Must not be travelling with anyone under the age of 15
-Must not be travelling with a guide or assistance dog
-(my personal favourite) Exit row Pax are not permitted to wear extension seat belts! if it dont fit to bad so sad move, had that a couple of times little awkward when the pax decided to raise his voice thus alerting the whole cabin to his issue.

There are several more restrictions but since I left flying a while ago they escape me. Interestingly female pax who are pregnant are permitted in the exit row ( I once herd that due to their hormones they would be more protective of their baby and thus them and more proactive in an emergency, not sure if its true or an old wives tale)
Cheers smi


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