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Midwest Airlines Traffic Report For February  
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2008/03/03/daily54.html

The headline read Midwest Connect carries Midwest Airlines traffic. Bad news for YX?  Confused


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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1116455&highlight=

Here is the official performance report for Feb. as well.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Don't think that the article says the whole picture. if you look at the press release on the YX web site(link below) it does not really say that OO carried the YX operation for Feb. 08. You have to look at the whole picture here, and remember that Skyways aircraft are fading into the sunset, as much as I hate to say that, but it's true and that makes the figures look different. Skywest was not even operating as Midwest Connect this time last year so it does change the situation somewhat, but I don't see it as a "bad news" thing here. I'm sure we will see some growth as the year goes by, one of the first things YX management has to do is line up some mainline aircraft. Once that happens watch the good things happen. Have faith in TPG they have a great record of making good things happen in the airline industry. It will not happen over night but it will happen. and YX will be even stronger for it.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1116455&highlight=



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3818 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 2):
Have faith in TPG they have a great record of making good things happen in the airline industry.

I didn't realize this, like with who?

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 2):
I'm sure we will see some growth as the year goes by, one of the first things YX management has to do is line up some mainline aircraft.

What do you mean line up, you mean acquire or rearrange?



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User currently offlineCitrusCritter From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1129 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3708 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 3):
I didn't realize this, like with who?

CO; TPG was a partner along with AC in restoring the airline after the 2nd BK


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3699 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 2):
Have faith in TPG

Or wait till YX execs cash out to NW...



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Why do so many people think that YX is going to be eaten up by or sold to NWA. I had the opportunity to talk with two YX Exec. shortly after the TPG/NWA deal was announced, at different times and I got the same explanation from both of them. They both said that YX had no intentions of letting NWA taking over nor did NWA have any wishes to do so. The main goal of the deal was to keep FL from becoming the owners of YX. NW does not want FL in their territory plain and simple. Midwest is/was not in financial trouble as so many FL followers wanted everyone to believe, however they did not have the cash to buy back all the stock that was out in the public domain. Thus the TPG/WW deal was formulated. Now the next step is to get more mainline A/C(hopefully 737's but it might be A319's IMO) so YX can expand their operations to new markets & to increase frequencies to current cities & in some cases replace Skywest operations so their A/C are used for the smaller markets & closer to MKE & MCI Hubs. Both of these exec's firmly believed in the deal and are still part of the upper management of YX. Yes right now it is a little more turbulent for YX, but that is true for all airlines and if you don't think so your in a dream world. I don't see YX going away anytime soon or later for that matter, they are in the place that they want to be in, yes they will grow but they are not planning on becoming a large airline.... They are and will be Milwaukee's Hometown Airline.


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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3542 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 6):
NW does not want FL in their territory plain and simple.

They are in it right now, and plan on getting more into it. In their press release regarding adding the 5 seasonal destinations, FL said "We think the market (in Milwaukee) can be a lot bigger. This is a good 1st Step."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=712021

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 6):
They are and will be Milwaukee's Hometown Airline.

 bigthumbsup  Indeed lets hope it stays that way for a long time.



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

As much as I love YX they really need to replace the MD-80's as of yesterday. With YX switching to a 2 class plane the only difference is that they give you cookies.

I would rather take a FL 737 to SEA or SFO. The MD-80's that I have been on with YX are noisy inside amd a tad uncomfortable.. YX 717 on the other hand in 2 across seating are outstanding, but YX is going away from that.

Regards,

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

I agree with you legacytravel AKA Mike in MKE, the MD-80 need to go and I believe the management knows that as well. Also I will miss the full cabin 2 by 2 seating too, but its a sign of the times. Yes FL is growing at MKE with "seasonal service" to 5 destinations. I don't think that FL will make them year round at all and I would bet that once it is suspended they will not come back. Once YX can get new A/C they will knock FL right out of thoughts markets and the only think Fl will have is seasonal service to Florida cities and ATL.


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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3392 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 9):
Mike in MKE

It is Mark. I dont think Fl will be pulling out anytime soon. Maybe some of the new service but I have a different sense with them. My gut is telling me that they are here to build up MKE and they have been well received by passengers and will continue to grow here.

Regards,

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3316 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 10):
It is Mark. I dont think Fl will be pulling out anytime soon. Maybe some of the new service but I have a different sense with them. My gut is telling me that they are here to build up MKE and they have been well received by passengers and will continue to grow here.

I agree with you even though it doesn't sit with me well. I think FL is "in it to win it" on this one. They want MKE bad, and could even expand with getting gate C17 if they wanted in the future. I think YX can compete with them however, and I am looking forward to watching this battle unfold. YX to add SAN? I think they could, but we will see...

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 9):
I agree with you legacytravel AKA Mike in MKE, the MD-80 need to go and I believe the management knows that as well.

Indeed. I hope YX gets some new a/c soon. When are they going to place orders by? (do they have a target date?)



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3218 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 11):
Indeed. I hope YX gets some new a/c soon. When are they going to place orders by? (do they have a target date?)

I have no clue. I do not work for YX. I run a travel agency in Hartford. More importantly I am a lover of aviation. I used to go to MKE and stand on the hill next to the cemetary and watch the planes. I remember a Eastern DC-9 pilot wave out the window and I was hooked. That was 35 years ago.

Regards,

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I saw both 804ME & 805ME last week here in YVR, which brought in the Predators and Blues respectively to play the Canucks (oh dear..... Big grin). I have seen both before so assume these aircraft are contracted to these teams for their away games, so it may be worth them hanging onto the 5x F116 configured MD81's for such work?? After all, other teams have 727's & DC9's. Those two MD81's I saw look immaculate outside - and YX have a fantastic livery!!


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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3176 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):
Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I saw both 804ME & 805ME last week here in YVR, which brought in the Predators and Blues respectively to play the Canucks (oh dear..... ). I have seen both before so assume these aircraft are contracted to these teams for their away games, so it may be worth them hanging onto the 5x F116 configured MD81's for such work?? After all, other teams have 727's & DC9's. Those two MD81's I saw look immaculate outside - and YX have a fantastic livery!!

Maybe someday MKE-YVR will work for YX... if only seasonal at first. It certainly would be cool to have more international routes out of MKE. I know, I am dreaming.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3157 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 14):
Maybe someday MKE-YVR will work for YX

I think that will be along way down the road. I would venture to say that YVR will be started by FL first. I personally would like to see a MKE-LHR x3 a week or a MKE-FRA x3 a week will happen before both of those. So yess you are correct it will be a long time down the road.
And I do not mean starting these routes with either YX or FL. I clarify that or I will get flamed big time.

Regards,

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3138 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):
Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I saw both 804ME & 805ME last week here in YVR, which brought in the Predators and Blues respectively to play the Canucks (oh dear..... Big grin). I have seen both before so assume these aircraft are contracted to these teams for their away games, so it may be worth them hanging onto the 5x F116 configured MD81's for such work??

I believe these two aircraft are the ones specifically configured for charter operations, with only 74 seats apiece.

Unless the charter airplanes have since been reconfigured, this probably remains the case.



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User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3136 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):
so it may be worth them hanging onto the 5x F116 configured MD81's for such work??

There are no more 116 seat configured MD-80's left in the YX fleet. All have been converted to the Midwest Saver service with only 3 rows of 2X2 and the rest 2X3. The two you mentioned 804 & 805 are configured with 74 seats and are for the charters obviously but do get used in revenue service if needed.

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 11):
I hope YX gets some new a/c soon. When are they going to place orders by? (do they have a target date?)

Don't hold your breath for that to happen. After two years of hearing "decision to be made by the end of the year" (2006/2007) I am giving up. That and the new COO just stated in an interview that no new planes were coming anytime soon and we would be operating MD-80's for the foreseeable future.


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Very Sorry Mark In MKE, I was really really tired when I was typing that entry.   ashamed 

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 17):

That the new COO just stated in an interview that no new planes were coming anytime soon... I missed that interview somehow. When did he say that and to what media?



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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3101 times:



Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 17):
Don't hold your breath for that to happen. After two years of hearing "decision to be made by the end of the year" (2006/2007) I am giving up. That and the new COO just stated in an interview that no new planes were coming anytime soon and we would be operating MD-80's for the foreseeable future.

I could be wrong, but didn't YX say the 717 was too expensive and they would not be buying/leasing new aircraft back when they were shopping for a replacement for the DC9's? Then they ended up with favorable financing so they could get the 717 in their fleet. I wouldn't be surprised the same thing might be happening right now. Time will only tell.


User currently offlineMUWarriors From United States of America, joined May 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3068 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 18):
That the new COO just stated in an interview that no new planes were coming anytime soon... I missed that interview somehow. When did he say that and to what media?

It was in an interview on JSOnline (I don't know if it was in the actual paper or not) l like last Sunday or Monday I believe. Here's the link: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=723847

And the pertinent quote:

Quote:
Q. Do you have any idea then about changing the fleet, buying more airplanes?

A. On the MD80-series aircraft, we are looking for a replacement. The problem is, it's not as fuel efficient as something like the 737-800 or the newer-generation Airbus aircraft, but the problem is, as fuel has gone up, so have the prices of those fuel-efficient aircraft, unfortunately. So I would say that for the time being we will continue to operate the MD80-series aircraft.



User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3037 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 18):
I was really really tired when I was typing that entry

dont worry about it. If I had a dollar every time someone called me Mike instead of Mark I could have my own private jet.
It will be sad when the MD's are gone. Speaking of which didn't YX have the 2nd DC-9 10 ever built? I know they put that one out to pasture awhile ago.
Is it still in the desert or did the chopper get that plane. It would be neat if someone got hold of that plane and put in a museum somewhere.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2960 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 15):
I personally would like to see a MKE-LHR x3 a week or a MKE-FRA x3 a week

Wouldn't we all, maybe by some low-cost type UK carrier, but it won't happen too soon because of ORD  Angry They eat up all of our international traffic! One thing i never really got was why no carrier ventured to start a destination that Apple Vacations serve. NW and F9 (soon to end  Sad) started CUN, but why not some place like PUJ, or PVR ? They get pretty good loads too, so why not?



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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 22):
but it won't happen too soon because of ORD

I guess your statement is true... Chicago has given Milwaukee an inferiority complex. Something people in Milwaukee can't seem to get past.  Sad


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2918 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 22):
but why not some place like PUJ, or PVR ? They get pretty good loads too, so why not?

Maybe as a seasonal route. There would not be near enough demand for those routes in the summer.

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 22):
Wouldn't we all, maybe by some low-cost type UK carrier, but it won't happen too soon because of ORD

Yes this is so true. However MKE can offer very few delays, no congestion, and with the train stopping right out in front of the airport a direct line to MKE from ORD. I feel that MKE could fill a few flights overseas.

Maybe as an incentive MKE could waive landing fees and other credits for a few months to help get the service started.


Regards,


Mark in MKE



I love the smell of Jet fuel in the Morning
25 Sideflare75 : N700ME. Sent to the desert a few years ago where they proceded to rip the nose gear out of it while trying to tow it across the desert. I think there
26 Post contains images Legacytravel : Sometimes you need to bite the bullet and donate it. YX would have had a nice tax write off for a donation. It is sad to see a wonderful plane meet t
27 Post contains images MKE22 : Yes thats what I was referring to. Indeed that would be a good idea. Doesn't Zoom Airlines have something like this? They will do FLL instead of MIA,
28 Legacytravel : I am not that familiar with Zoom Airlines so I really could not comment on that. I can remember when NWA brought in a B742 on a daily route to either
29 TVNWZ : That has not been my experience. I will take the MD80's (if they are actually working) any day over Airtran's 717. My knees touch the back of the Air
30 Legacytravel : I was aware of that. Please excuse the error. I will edit my other post. Yes I am in the travel business. Why do you need a vacation? LOL Mark in MKE
31 JettaKnight : Spoken with all the wisdom of an airline CEO/Travel Agent.
32 N917me : Coming from a PR background.. A "PR stunt " has minimal long term impact. A plane sitting in a museum would do nothing to create revenue for YX. Yes,
33 Post contains images Legacytravel : I am by no means a seven figure a year salary. I run a small agency here in Hartford so yes I have made some dumb idiotic moves before and will admit
34 MKE22 : Yeah it would. Did you happen to hear about the AF diversion about 2 summers ago or last summer? I don't think Zoom files 742s, but I just want some
35 Legacytravel : Yes I did. One of the the kids on my sons soccer team, his dad was on that flight. He was most frustrated that it took 8 hours to allow the people to
36 MKE22 : Wow thats amazing to hear. 8 HOURS!? I heard it was more like 3, but still.
37 Legacytravel : I swear it was 8 hours I could be wrong. I believe no food or water was even offered. Mark in MKE
38 Post contains links Knope2001 : Yup, that Air France plan sat at MKE some seven hours, largely due to the decision of Air France rather than lack of customs agents. http://www.todays
39 YXwatcherMKE : I thought the AF flight that sat on the tarmac at MKE for 8 hours with the A/C shut down and no food service was back in October '07. In-fact my wife
40 Legacytravel : I thought so I might be old but my memory if not gone yet. LOL Yeah that guy I know from that flight was not happy. Still was nice to plane that larg
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