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Goodbye To BA Services To / From Detroit  
User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 295 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11938 times:

Hey all, Knowing British Airways are going to stop all service to Detroit i just wanted to get some other opinions on this, I am a regular flyer of this flight and am upset that they will no longer serve DTW.

I have heard so many rumers that they shall do it but it never happened, Then suddenly i hear a report on BA's website that BA203 - BA202 from LHR - DTW - IAH will stop. It was a shock but after recently traveling on this route into DTW i cannot understand to why they are actually ending it, This is the main reason for my post, To find out just why.

I know the loads have been pretty decent, Maybe theres more to it?


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11927 times:

That leaves only AF, LH and NW for transatlantic routes to/from DTW, doesn´t it ?


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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11921 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
That leaves only AF, LH and NW for transatlantic routes to/from DTW, doesn´t it ?

And only Icenaland Air From MSP. Whats your point?



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25370 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11910 times:

Some pretty long threads that should answer your question
NW To Add, BA To Drop DTW-LHR (by Stretch 8 Dec 10 2007 in Civil Aviation)
BA In DTW? (by Dtwclipper Sep 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)
BA - Route Change Update. (by BAStew Sep 19 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11904 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 2):
And only Icenaland Air From MSP. Whats your point?

NW/KLM doesn't do trans-Atlantic from MSP?



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11872 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):
NW/KLM doesn't do trans-Atlantic from MSP?

AMS, CDG starting soon and I'm pretty sure LGW is seasonal.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11866 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 2):
And only Icenaland Air From MSP. Whats your point?

That I will likely have to pay more for my flight when I have to go there because of the lack of competition.



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11852 times:

A British airline would have to be in SkyTeam to make DTW work. BA would get no feed into DTW, and most of the Business traffic in that city would be NW Frequent Flyers. BA can offer DTW passengers a big European network from LHR, but who likes changing planes at LHR when you have big European networks from AMS and CDG?


Perhaps if FlyBe got an A330 they could fly to DTW?


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11818 times:



Quoting N353SK (Reply 5):
AMS, CDG starting soon and I'm pretty sure LGW is seasonal.

I realize that, thanks.

In other words, Icelandair isn't the only airline providing links to Europe



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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11725 times:



Quoting N353SK (Reply 5):
I'm pretty sure LGW is seasonal.

LGW is not seasonal. And it's soon to be LHR.


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3083 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11716 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 2):
And only Icenaland Air From MSP. Whats your point?

No need to be an ass. Besides, whats your point bringing in an unrelated airline and airport?

Anyway, NW has quite a large presence in the DTW - Europe market so things should be alright.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11696 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 10):
Anyway, NW has quite a large presence in the DTW - Europe market so things should be alright.

Air France and Northwest are together in Skyteam so with the withdrawal of BA that leaves only Lufthansa as an independent competitioner.



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3083 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11670 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 11):
Air France and Northwest are together in Skyteam so with the withdrawal of BA that leaves only Lufthansa as an independent competitioner.

And in my opinion, which might not be accepted by others, that's all DTW really needs. The only reason it's as big as it is and has the international fights it does is due to NW's presence. Otherwise it's likely people would fly into ORD to get where they want to go.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11642 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 12):
And in my opinion, which might not be accepted by others, that's all DTW really needs. The only reason it's as big as it is and has the international fights it does is due to NW's presence. Otherwise it's likely people would fly into ORD to get where they want to go.

I would not argue with you but since I have a brother living in Michigan and I visit them once a year I have interested in the lowest fares to get there  Smile



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11641 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 11):
Air France and Northwest are together in Skyteam so with the withdrawal of BA that leaves only Lufthansa as an independent competitioner.

Just because AF and NW are in Skyteam doesn't mean much. They both codeshare on DTW-CDG yet apart for that you do get independent pricing from both airlines. Once NWDLAFKLAZOK get antitrust immunity that will be a different story.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11641 times:

It seems like BA was doing marginal on the route and with NW going to LHR, one major competitive advantage disappeared and thus it is no longer a feasible route. This could be a case of open skies reducing competition, but of course this is a rarity. DTW-LON loses an airline for competition's sake, but if you continue to compare BA and NW, then at least SEA-LON gets a new competitor.

LH seems to do ok out of DTW. I am guessing that there is some automotive connection there. Even though Daimler and Chrysler split, there are probably lots of suppliers and travel going on between the huge auto companies in Detroit and the various automotive companies in Germany.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11555 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 11):
Air France and Northwest are together in Skyteam so with the withdrawal of BA that leaves only Lufthansa as an independent competitioner.



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
LH seems to do ok out of DTW. I am guessing that there is some automotive connection there. Even though Daimler and Chrysler split, there are probably lots of suppliers and travel going on between the huge auto companies in Detroit and the various automotive companies in Germany.

That's what I was thinking, Lufthansa flies there to service the business market. After all, who else would want to go to Detroit?  duck 



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User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11116 times:

I understand about those other threads, But after reading threw them it doesn't answer all questions, Also i made this post to actually see the flight off, I think British Airways are making a mistake ending the services there, But i guess they find something right out of it to actually be doing it. British Airways have set some interesting records for Detroit that everyone i'm sure shall remember.

I also think personally that when Northwest begin DTW-LHR in May that flight shall actually do well, But with NW31 and NW32 from Detroit to Gatwick being downgraded to a 757 i'm sure we can assume this flight shall end completely this year too?



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11048 times:
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I too find it disappointing that BA are ending LHR-DTW, as i have flown this route on BA several times to visit relatives in Detroit. And while i personally prefer BA's service compared to NW, they do charge quite high fares for a "short" long haul flight. NW always offer cheaper fares than BA, but it will be interesting to see if that is still the case when they move to LHR, and with zero competition on the route.


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User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11026 times:



Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 18):
I too find it disappointing that BA are ending LHR-DTW, as i have flown this route on BA several times to visit relatives in Detroit. And while i personally prefer BA's service compared to NW, they do charge quite high fares for a "short" long haul flight. NW always offer cheaper fares than BA, but it will be interesting to see if that is still the case when they move to LHR, and with zero competition on the route.

I totally agree, I am looking foreward to seeing some NWA metal fly into LHR, But i would very much still prefer to fly BA into Detroit, It seems to set a certain atmosphere when flying that route, Like i said i'm shocked there ending it. Have BA stated exactly why they are?



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10992 times:



Quoting SpeedBird203 (Reply 19):
Have BA stated exactly why they are?

Because it was a poorly performing route. They were using their smallest long haul aircraft on it, and still had to rely on the IAH tag on to actually fill the aircraft, and more importantly, it's premium cabin. Once it was announced that IAH was able to be flown direct from LHR, the route was always destined for the chop.


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10928 times:



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 16):
Lufthansa flies there to service the business market

and cargo!

Now that they are double daily A330's with LH they probably took enough cargo from BA that they are no longer profitable...or just marginal enough for the forecasts to show losses when NW moves to LHR.

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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10855 times:



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 16):
That's what I was thinking, Lufthansa flies there to service the business market. After all, who else would want to go to Detroit?

That's what I was thinking.....

Seriously, one thing I'm amazed at in reading threads on Anet is how some people get so worked up about their favorite airport getting stiffed by so and so airline. BA tried the route, and has decided that the can use their aircraft more efficiently elsewhere. It isn't the end of the world, and it actually benefits the remaining companies that do offer service on that particular route.


User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10767 times:



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 22):
Seriously, one thing I'm amazed at in reading threads on Anet is how some people get so worked up about their favorite airport getting stiffed by so and so airline. BA tried the route, and has decided that the can use their aircraft more efficiently elsewhere. It isn't the end of the world, and it actually benefits the remaining companies that do offer service on that particular route.

I agree, but to me.. Flying it regulary its a disapointment.. I'm not sitting here crying about it or anything... Its a memory for Detroit, Like i said BA set records at Detroit, It also causes problems for those people that travel into Detroit on that route, Well for me it does but that's because i need to fly into Detroit to get to Ohio.

Does anyone think BA will ever begin flying into Detroit again? I remember the 772 was filled flying in a few years ago.



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User currently offlineAZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10665 times:



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 22):
BA tried the route

In defense of all the DTW people, BA did more than just "try" the route as you suggest. They have had this one for around 50 years if I recall from reading other threads. Its not like they just came in a few months ago and couldn't support it so are now dumping.



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25 SpeedBird203 : Exactly, i heard it was around 50 years.. They have battled hard with it, When did they fly there 747 into Detroit? Was that the 80's?
26 Viscount630 : Quite - BA's presence in DTW goes back to the DC-7C/Stratocruiser/Britannia era of BOAC! When NW was unheard of in Europe and the idea of airlines jo
27 AZO : I'm sure someone else knows a more exact answer, but it was more recently than the 80's. I know it was at lreast the late 90's and possibly within th
28 SpeedBird203 : That's a reason, i guess those people kinda think ahh remember this remember that etc.. But with me its both, Flying the route and knowing some histo
29 Iflyatldl : I can remember when that was BOAC and was a tag-on from YUL when I was a kid. Sad to hear indeed.
30 DocLightning : It's also a sign of the decline of Michigan in general. Detroit has very little industry at this point. Since BA doesn't use DTW as a gateway, it is m
31 Post contains images ZKEOJ : What about the major car manufacturers? IMHO that is what supports the transatlantic non-stop services. I worked in the Thomas Cook implant at Ford C
32 LHboyatDTW : Keep in mind that most of the auto industry has transfered to Germany from the UK, therefore being a major part of BA's yields being allocated somewhe
33 ConcordeBoy : ...also Royal Jordanian Not true. NW does not share ATI with AF, and as such remains very much a competitor to them.
34 Atmx2000 : Pfizer is a US company.
35 RobertS975 : IIRC, DL inherited the DTW-LGW route from Pan Am, and eventually sold this route to NW since DL had no feed into DTW.
36 8herveg : Are you suggesting that FlyBe should joing SkyTeam in order to be the British airline that could make it work??
37 Nwafan20 : Yeah, people, don't forget about RJ! NW, LH, AF, and RJ all fly across the pond from DTW. In fact, LH is double daily, once with a 330, and the other
38 Hjulicher : I'm amazed at how many people honestly think that DTW cannot support flight to Europe had NW not been here. Clearly it is possible since BA arrived wa
39 Boeing777228 : LH at DTW are basically freighter planes with a few passengers on them
40 Halls120 : How long BA have been at DTW is irrelevant if the route isn't performing.
41 DocLightning : What about the major car manufacturers? The majority of auto manufacture happens outside of Michigan. Ford, GM, and Chrysler have their offices there
42 DeltaAVL : Dude, don't be a douche.
43 Dtw9 : quote=DocLightning,reply=41]What about the major car manufacturers? The majority of auto manufacture happens outside of Michigan. Ford, GM, and Chrysl
44 Dtw9 : And while you've got the phone out give Chrysler a call too. Chelsea (Mich.) Proving Grounds: Jefferson North Assembly Plant (Detroit): Sterling Heigh
45 YYCowboy : Who are YOU trying to kid????? Detroit is legendary murder city USA. Been there, seen it, done that. No American city has experienced "white flight"
46 Viscount724 : However, DocLightniing is correct that Michigan now accounts for only about 14% of motor vehicle production in North America, although it's still the
47 CAP2008 : When my dad used to be a ramper in DTW (1974), the first 747 landed in DTW. Any guesses on the carrier?
48 Dtw9 : Who are you kidding? Do you live here,probably not, I go into the city every weekend and have been for over 30 years and I haven't been a victim of c
49 Dtw9 : [/quote] So explain to me how this makes his original statement correct?
50 Post contains links and images LHboyatDTW : for the record, St. Louis has a higher crime rate than Detroit. Why not bad mouth them more? I'm sick and tired of every single thread (be it aviatio
51 Greg76 : It's just that easy for you to bash Detroit isn't it? It's because of ignorant idiots like you that Detroit gets a bad name. The fact is, you see wha
52 777STL : Because everything is skewed if you don't look at things analytically. The STL metro area is split into two areas, the county and the city. All the m
53 Nwafan20 : STL Crime per 100,000: Murders: 37.2 Rapes: 97.2 Robberies: 907.2 Assaults: 1439.1 Burglaries: 2453.3 Thefts: 6802.4 Auto Thefts: 2492.2 Arson: 124.3
54 Skyking46USA : I worked for BA Cargo in DTW back in 1976/1977 when they flew 747-100s on the route DTW-IAD-LHR. I remember some of the last VC10s and B707s flying wi
55 N312RC : For those of you wondering about the B747 service.. I flew the route in 2001 (before 9/11) and was on a 747-200.
56 Scotland1979 : You can still flying on BA to YYZ and transfer to other plane to DTW (45 mins flight between YYZ and DTW)
57 SANFan : As a member of the "Cities-That-Lost-BA-Service" Club (the city being San Diego where Speedbird departed for the last time on 10-26-03) we will again
58 MAH4546 : Detroit will still have non-stop service to London. One daily each to Gatwick and Heathrow, on Northwest.
59 SANFan : Oops! Never mind. Sorry. (And anyway, my last sentence still applies...) bb
60 Burnsie28 : LGW went back to year round. RJ does as well. I don't know that you will see much different in prices, plus you still have the option to fly into and
61 DocLightning : Exactly. Look, I was born and raised outside Detroit. I know the city like the back of my hand. I also left it for a reason; there is no future, no j
62 Arsenal@LHR : Yes i could, i can also fly on UA, AA, US or CO and connect from EWR, ORD, IAD or PHL, all an hour or so away from DTW. But nothing beats the conveni
63 Bobnwa : Doesn't LHR count as a gateway for BA just like DTW is a gateway for NWA? Do you have any numbers that would back up that statement?
64 SpeedBird203 : I could fly into Canada and then onward to Detroit but i saw some pretty chunky prices for that route. I think those who have flown the route into De
65 DocLightning : Yes, but if you are getting on a NWA flight to LHR, LHR is probably your final destination.
66 LHUSA : Wow, that couldn't be further from the truth. DTW is a very successful market for LH. The yields are amazing and the planes have very strong loads in
67 SpeedBird203 : Why's that? Aren't they going to offer any connections for people? I thought that's why NWA were going into LHR.
68 VV701 : No. It is an American company founded in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY as long ago as 1849. In April 2004 it became one of the 30 companies that make up
69 Post contains images VV701 : There are a number of photos of BA 747s at DTW in the data base. The oldest was taken in July1998 and the most recent was taken in August 1999: And h
70 Bobnwa : Do you mean just like getting on a BA aircraft in LHR, your final destination is DTW? My point (which i am sure you realize) is that NW and BA both h
71 WA707atMSP : DTW's first scheduled 747 service was in Dec 1970, on DL. DL flew 747s 2x day, one to ATL, the other to MIA. In 1971, AA, NW, and UA all began 747 se
72 YULYMX : The LHR-YMX-DTW-YMX-LHR saw a mixted of B747, L-1011, B767, for sure... and maybe DC-10 or MD11 not sure the this...
73 Speedbird203 : Very interesting facts .. Thank you.. Do you think British Airways will have any service at Detroit the last day they fly there? Or just like a regul
74 Nwafan20 : Also on a related note, the day after BA leaves KLM will start serving DTW again.
75 SpeedBird203 : I never knew that, Interesting.. Is that the A330-200 service from Amsterdam?
76 LHboyatDTW : yes, KL617/618 It will upgrade to a 777 in November, though. I'm complaining because I have been begging for a 777 here for some time and my dreams (
77 DocLightning : Exactly. And there probably isn't enough traffic on that route to justify it. For a passenger who lives in SE Michigan, if he is flying somewhere in
78 UPPERDECKFAN : Don't get too fancy on the analysis, BA dropping DTW is just lack of yield because Detroit is not a big enough market. Based only on the fact that DT
79 Hjulicher : How big of a market to do you need to justify flights to LHR? I mean there are much smaller markets with service. Unfortunately the flights was poorl
80 Dtw9 : Nonsense. Detroit's market it just more fragmented now than it was 10 years ago. Detroit has more service than ever before across the North Atlantic.
81 Burnsie28 : NW doesn't have their own people in Europe anymore minus a station manager in amsterdam and NW cargo people in London. They use outsourced companies
82 Dtw9 : I for one am getting tired of your snide remarks about SE Michigan.You left the area because you didn't like it here,thats fine. But their are millio
83 LHboyatDTW : Seriously, does everyone have to hijack every damn thread about DTW saying how bad the city is? Did anyone even see the link to that thread where peop
84 Isitsafenow : Hmmm...last time thru DTW(late FEB) there was this big crowd waiting to board this A330(sometimes an A340) that had Lufthansa painted on both sides.
85 Post contains images EMB170 : *cough* Project Lauren *cough*
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