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Teen Says TSA Agent Endangered His Life  
User currently offlineRW170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 430 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14478 times:

An Orlando teen claims that a TSA agent endangered his life by opening (and there-by contaminating) his backup sterile feeding tube that he carries with him in case of an emergency.

http://www.wftv.com/irresistible/15511359/detail.html

[Edited 2008-03-09 06:50:09]


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User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3140 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14381 times:

Another case of a TSA employee empowered with government authority acting with impunity.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8906 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14369 times:
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Where will all that security end?! being naked on a plane? sick people arent allowed to fly anymore? disabled people only by train? etc etc... I am shocked about such behavior!

WILCO737 (MD11F)
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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14291 times:

The article says that the teenageer called the TSA agent over-zealous. The TSA? Over-zealous? Nah, not them. Big grin

Just another incident to show that more training is needed.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14275 times:

The TSA strikes again . . . or rather STILL

"I said 'Please don't open it' and she said 'I have to open it whether you like it or not. If I can't open it, I can't let you on the plane,'" Hoyne said of his conversation with the TSA screener.

What a moron. Surely, there was a supervisor around. Surely, there's a doctor at the airport - or hell, even a nurse, medic, EMT - that could have verified the necessity of leaving the tube sealed in it's package.

And this from the TSA morons:

they're looking into the incident to see what corrective steps need to be taken.

How 'bout firing the lot and starting from scratch . . .


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14230 times:

I have only been to the USA once since the TSA came in to existance but from all that I hear from the UK about them they are a bunch of F***wits!!!

The USA has lost the plot with Aviation security! Especially as they are wanting to make it even harder for people from other countries to get in! Perhaps they should just shut their borders completly! I love the USA but all of the stupid rules the US Government dreams up makes me think I might spend my money elsewhere!

Worse thing is the UK is starting to become as bad as the Government want it to be compulsory for Airport workers to have Government issued ID cards but optional for everyone else!


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14162 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
Where will all that security end?! being naked on a plane? sick people arent allowed to fly anymore? disabled people only by train? etc etc... I am shocked about such behavior!

So am I. I would think the TSa would have accommodated him more.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
How 'bout firing the lot and starting from scratch . . .

That is a very good idea. Who will we replace them them with ANC?

MCO



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14131 times:



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
Who will we replace them them with ANC?

Private Security Screeners . . .

Who thus far have proven to be more effective, effecient and pass more tests than ANY TSA group . . .

Check out SFO for example.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2006/press_release_11022006.shtm


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13853 times:

Ok if they think this kind of kid is a terrorist with a bomb then we are all screwed! Couldn't they have just put it through the X-ray machine to see if there was anything inside?

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8906 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13810 times:
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Quoting DL767captain (Reply 9):
Couldn't they have just put it through the X-ray machine to see if there was anything inside?

This would've been WAAAYY too easy to solve that problem!  box 

I am really annoyed about some security guys! I mean, I am a pilot, so I go through a lot of security thingys everyday! And I must say: I am scared of myself already!!!!! I mean, I am not allowed to bring anything on board which is somehow related to a weapon! And all these weird thing going on with the liquids...  talktothehand  Unbelievable...
Once I passed security checks, I will be taken to the aircraft where I can order up to 117 tons (!!!) of high explosive jet engine fuel! I mean, we all have seen how big this explosion can be! IF I really planning on something, then I dont need scissors or 2 litres of liquid...
Dont misunderstand me! Security things are necessary for sure, but in a reasonable manner! And when I feel treated like a terrorist and even one Immigration officer in the US called me that (and I was in uniform), sorry, then I dont know where this is all heading...
Liquids: LCDs? what about them? think about it: LIQUID crystal display! Ring a bell? or pens? the ink? WOW, see how many liquids you actually bring on board everyday... DANGEROUS, isnt it?

And now that kid... Man, he is sick and he needs that thingy to survive and what is the TSA doing about it? I have no words for that kind of behaviour and treatment! Its a shame, horrible, senseless, useless etc etc...

Sorry, but I needed to vent ...

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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13721 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 10):
And now that kid... Man, he is sick and he needs that thingy to survive and what is the TSA doing about it? I have no words for that kind of behaviour and treatment! Its a shame, horrible, senseless, useless etc etc...

Its not that he needs the thing to survive, but he needs the back-up should any number of complications arise, and there are many. Any of these catheter-type devices are incredibly prone to infection, and the infections can be come very nasty, ultimately the patient can die of septicemia. Clearly the TSA officer has no concept of infection control and why it is so important. Patients are given sterile equipment becasuse it keep them out of hospital for longer and ultimately saves lives. Its a SEALED, airtight package. I am actually appalled at this story. Mr TSA screener, how would you like it if a plastic tube which has been exposed to all sorts of bacteria and someone else's skin flora, etc was inserted into your abdomen? If it was your son, what would you say/do? This sort of thing should never happen. But from my experience the agents of the TSA could best be described as untrained red-necks high on a sense of power and superiority.

I was under the impression that prescribed medicines and medical equipment were spcifically expempted from the normal allowances. Seemingly no one told Mr TSA that.

Brian.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13525 times:

Security is fine. Until it starts to cause more problems and endanger more people than it helps.

A number of studies have demonstrated that airport security has stopped exactly:

ZERO attempts at hijacking or other onboard violence.

Now obviously there has to be something to keep people from bringing guns and such aboard planes, but the TSA needs to be scrapped and we need to go back to the pre-9/11 way of doing things. 9/11 was not a failure of airport security, it was a failure of intelligence and government communication.

I am a law-abiding, employed physician. I have been verbally abused and in one instance shoved (hard) by TSA screeners for reasons ranging from misunderstanding an instruction on when to walk through a metal detector to failing to notice that I had a single penny in my pocket that kept on tripping the detector.

Meanwhile, on other occasions, I have arrived at my destination only to discover that I had inadvertently traveled with banned items (a jar of chocolate sauce, a knife, a bottle of water).

It's about time that passengers stood up to this and demanded to see evidence that all this so-called "security" makes us any more secure and that we demanded our civil rights and liberties.

As for this kid, I hope he files suit.


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13249 times:

Not one to be wanting to jump on the TSA bashing bandwagon.... but when they are doing an amazing job of stopping these objects but seem to routinely fail the tests with dummy explosive devices etc it really does make you wonder what the point is?

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

It's official- TSA no longer stands for "Thousands Standing Around". That's too nice. TSA now stands for "Thousands of Stupid Assholes".

Quote:
Article:
TSA officials apologized to James and said they're looking into the incident to see what corrective steps need to be taken.

How about using good old common sense. Oh wait. Who am I kidding. A government organization using common sense? That's unheard of.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12534 times:

Why does all this happen in my native state of FL?

ANC,

Thanks for the link as it was full of good info and I concur 100%. We do need private security screeners.

Kinghunter



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User currently offlineFlyin5glow From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12535 times:

i see you guys are all against the work that TSA is doing, but they are there for a very important reason, to keep us safe. Obiously these agents are trained to prevent a terrorist from boarding an airplane, they are not doctors or nurses. It is their job to look into everybody's bag and inspect. so if you don't like it take a train, bus, boat, etc. there are many other ways people can move around the globe without having to fly. it seems to me that this boy and his family are taking advantage of the unpopularity of the TSA in the US to get money out of this.  Angry  Angry


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12464 times:



Quoting Flyin5glow (Reply 16):
but they are there for a very important reason, to keep us safe.

The problem is, they're not even good at that. At least here in Newark, the screeners are always in the news for letting stuff through security. I've even gone through security myself on at least two occasions and realized once I got on the plane that I had a Swiss Army Knife or something similar with me.



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4981 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12320 times:



Quoting Flyin5glow (Reply 16):
it seems to me that this boy and his family are taking advantage of the unpopularity of the TSA in the US to get money out of this.

Please tell me that's a joke! This TSA agent made a very, VERY big mistake, one that was potentially very harmful for this kid. Them not being trained as doctors or nurses is not an excuse. Everyone with a bit of common sense knows that it is NOT a good idea to remove sterile medical equipment from the package like that.

Quoting Flyin5glow (Reply 16):
but they are there for a very important reason, to keep us safe.

And, pray tell, exactly how was this TSA agent "keeping you safe" by removing this sterile feeding tube from the package?


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12126 times:

That's exactly why I try to avoid flying via the USA when going AKL-Europe! Just this continuous arrogance at security (and at immigration...) bothers me. I lived close to Niagara Falls, and crossed the border many times. It is just an annoying nightmare. Yes, they have to ask their questions. Yes, they need to be vigilant. And I agree with that wholeheartedly - rather one security check too many than one too little. BUT the Canadians always checked the same, but their attitude was a million times better! The TSA (and immigration) don't do the US a favour at all - I know of so many people who avoid the US, both as transit country, but also as holiday makers. Lots of potential tourism dollars are lost. The new AKL-YVR service of NZ is incredibly successful - guess why (among other reasons...).

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineNrcnyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12041 times:

They don't prevent much from getting by in my experience.

Since the liquids ban, I had traveled with a big toothpaste tube in my backpack on about 10 trips. I forgot it was there, but it was not until a flight 2 weeks ago when I was selected for secondary screening that they found the toothpaste. I remembered then that I bought the tube before the liquids bad. I'm glad all the pain the extra procedures cause are worthwhile.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11980 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
"I said 'Please don't open it' and she said 'I have to open it whether you like it or not. If I can't open it, I can't let you on the plane,'" Hoyne said of his conversation with the TSA screener.

Probably not the rule, but if it's that life and death for this person, why is he flying? Why is he putting his safety in the hands of anyone? The article doesn't say he was going anywhere for vital treatment, etc.

Further, if I am in a situation like that, I prepare beforehand, finding out exactly what the procedures are and how to get a special screening (you CAN get special, private screening if needed).

I think, from the brief information given, that BOTH sides made errors, and because the boy (and parents?) are much more likely to know what their special needs are, the impetus is on them to be proactive in their travel.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Private Security Screeners . . .

Who thus far have proven to be more effective, effecient and pass more tests than ANY TSA group .

But this was NOT true pre-9/11, as many of the "security" screeners were illegally in the USA and had criminal records that were hidden by the British Company running nearly 1/2 of the major airport security operations.

People forget what a mess security was BEFORE 9/11. The only reason the new private companies are doing better is because they are revamped from the ground up, and are out to "prove" that they are worth hiring on a much larger basis. But let's see how great they are when that same company has a 10 year contract to run 1/2 of the airports in the USA...



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11772 times:



Quoting Nrcnyc (Reply 20):
They don't prevent much from getting by in my experience.

Since the liquids ban, I had traveled with a big toothpaste tube in my backpack on about 10 trips. I forgot it was there, but it was not until a flight 2 weeks ago when I was selected for secondary screening that they found the toothpaste. I remembered then that I bought the tube before the liquids bad. I'm glad all the pain the extra procedures cause are worthwhile.

I still keep all the liquids etc in a plastic bag just in case, but for the last 10 or 15 flights, including through the US, nobody's bothered to ask me to take them out of my bag, so I'm assuming they've abandoned the futile pretence that the liquids thing has any security value whatsoever.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11674 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 21):
Probably not the rule, but if it's that life and death for this person, why is he flying? Why is he putting his safety in the hands of anyone? The article doesn't say he was going anywhere for vital treatment, etc.

Thats horrible. Hes sick and has to carry a feeding tube, therefore he should stay in place for the rest of his life.  Yeah sure

This dude, needs to be able to travel like the rest of us if he wants as long as hes not bed ridden or contagious.



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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11508 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 21):
but if it's that life and death for this person, why is he flying?

 redflag  Is he endangering others? What about old people who want to see their grandkids? What about people who have diabetes and need to take insulin shots? Brilliant overstatement  butthead 


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11431 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
Thats horrible. Hes sick and has to carry a feeding tube, therefore he should stay in place for the rest of his life

I said LIFE AND DEATH as it seems this guy's problem is a LIFE AND DEATH issue, and it's dangerous to ever put LIFE AND DEATH issues in the hands of rent-a-cops. That's assuming this article is not sensationalized. A BIG assumption.

There are other ways to travel in the USA than by plane. It takes longer, but it's something many people must do because flying is a difficult problem for them. Some have to drive or be driven, some take the train or the bus. There is no right to air travel, and a plane is a very confined, restricted and hazardous place for someone very ill. In an emergency, it can take 2 or more hours to get medical attention, and onboard, there aren't people trained to deal with obscure diseases or complicated illnesses.

If the person is on the way to get much needed medical care, then usually there are plans put in place ahead of time to make sure it goes smoothly. It does NOT sound like this is the case, because it surely would have been mentioned.

My point here is that a 14 year old will SAY things are a matter of life and death even if they aren't. Teenagers are quite dramatic, even sick ones. It seems as if this was not life and death considering the time frame between the incident and when he needed the second tube, but it is being blown out of proportion and the child/family is absolving themselves of any blame in the way they approached this trip.

And every post in this forum has been dutiful in jumping to this conclusion.

And one more point: the BOY endangered his life, NOT the TSA. The TSA, right or wrong, said "we can check it or I can't let you fly." The boy allowed them to check it!. He had the option of "saving his life" and NOT FLYING. If he honestly believed he would die if it was opened, why on earth are you going to let them do it?

Further, if it is so vital that his primary tube can fail at any time and he needs a backup within seconds (for a feeding tube? really?), why is he only carrying one spare?

Just a lot of questions that people seem to be failing to ask about this life and death situation...



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25 Nrcnyc : I guess I was not clear enough. I did not realize the toothpaste was there, i had my other items properly separated into a zip-lock bag. The tooth pa
26 Post contains images Nosedive : Jumping to conclusions when you weren't there. Tell me, armchair Dr (aka writer), what symptoms make this "boy" in a life and death situation? I'm su
27 JFK69 : Couldn't agree more. I was flying out of LGA last week and they were so keen on taking away my wives water in her bag that they totally passed over h
28 Bennett123 : Well suppose he took 10 spares and the TSA made him open all of them .....
29 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : But this kid clearly doesn't have one of those problems. His problems were caused by the TSA agent, not by the aircraft, the act of flying, or any of
30 Max Q : Who will protect us from the people who are supposed to protect us ? !
31 Bond007 : I think that's exactly his point !!!! If it was a 'life and death' situation, then perhaps, just perhaps, he shouldn't have been flying .. at least w
32 LH423 : Ahhh, the naïveté of youth. While I agree with the TSA in principle, I think its implementation needs to be rethought. Somehow I get the feeling th
33 JetJeanes : I dont get the liquids part, im mean order up a couple bottes of vodka for a screwdriver drink and you could ake a molotov cocktail, Ever since that f
34 Bond007 : How about the kid asking for a supervisor for a second opinion? How about the parents making sure it would be OK? How about somebody accompanying the
35 Xtoler : Hey Wilco 737, I feel you bud. One day at BWI TSA wouldn't let my captain through security because his Jeppesen manual was considered a "weapon" becau
36 Post contains images Sketty222 : This kind of hit home when I read it. Id never actually thought of it in that way before but ha ha, it makes sense. Security eh? If I was you I would
37 BlatantEcho : I just walk through, look them in the eyes and say 'Land of the Free!' with a sarcastic look on my face. It's one of the most obvious and sad failings
38 Threepoint : Sorry, just where does the article mention any litigation of any sort? Are you making this up? How did you surmise this from the article? I would sta
39 DocLightning : It would be lovely if they were doing that, wouldn't it? But they aren't. They're missing weapons during tests and yet they are harassing innocent pa
40 MidEx216 : I've got a brilliant idea that almost makes too much sense for us to get anyone to go along with it: let those who know how things work, take care of
41 Nosedive : 1st you say this: Then this: And despite your best efforts to avert my question, the best you can do is this: So, you want it both ways. You damn well
42 Continental180 : i must agree. Newark TSA is not the sharpest knifes on the shelf. Even though they have outstanding equipment, at least in terminal C, they are fairl
43 57AZ : TSA is nothing more than a worse solution to a problem that would not exist if common sense were allowed to prevail. They should develop a standardize
44 Post contains images Halls120 : I hope that whoever wins the election this fall sets as his/her first task a fundamental overhaul of DHS, and the scrapping of TSA. TSA was created f
45 Post contains links Aviateur : The TSA is what happens when you give a lot of power and little accountability to people who have no useful purpose. That's a nice thought, but I seri
46 AA61Hvy : Leave it to the TSA to go after a 14 year old boy's feeding tube, but to miss the pipe bomb going through on a TSA test..... Government employees my a
47 Theredbaron : Just to add more fuel to the fire (and to put more info on HALLS120 excelent post!) since 9/11 I have traveled in and out of the US with... Big cutter
48 57AZ : Amen to that. Formation of the DHS was probably one of the biggest mistakes made post 9/11. Instead of working with the individual agencies to improv
49 Halls120 : What we should do first is go back to a separate Immigration and Naturalization Service, and put the old Customs investigators back with their collea
50 Post contains images AirCop : Halls, you hit right on the nail.. (perhaps you're overqualifed for government work?) FEMA had an outstanding reputation prior to being moved into the
51 Post contains images PiedmontINT : The main problem with this is one thing: COST. Yes, Federal Marshals and FBI Agents are paid and trained well, however, adding 45,000 agents with sim
52 Halls120 : TSA is a drain on the federal treasury any way you look at it. It wasn't necessary; they haven't done anything but create the illusion of security.
53 PiedmontINT : Exactly, however, look at what we are paying for already for these jokers (and not just the "we dont need them at all" or "they are useless" stuff, s
54 Post contains images Aerlingusa330 : YES. Security lines would be 1/2 as long and our airports and aircraft would be twice as safe with private security screeners.
55 Bond007 : ??? I'm simply commenting on the article, and your reply. I think you're missing the whole point. The article said "endangered his life", so we are t
56 Post contains images Francoflier : I'd take Wal-Mart security over this any day...
57 Post contains images PiedmontINT : I would hire that guy as a Wal-Mart greeter on the spot!
58 Jetmatt777 : In Gainesville, FL (GNV / KGNV), my brother was bringing back some sand from the beach, and he had it in a glass bottle in carry on. It went all the w
59 Halls120 : That last photo is a classic! Where did you get them?
60 Post contains links Mymiles2go : Ignoring quality for a second (cause really, they're all about equal in the long run.) Did you look at the cost of doing private screeners? That's pa
61 Airlinespotter : Are you kidding me? Yeah, next time just remind me to ride my bicycle to Hawaii.
62 Calfo : One time, I was bringing back a bunch of collection coins with me (carry-on luggage, as i didn't think it could be suspicious) and they where packed i
63 Post contains images WILCO737 : Right, I wasnt thinking about that! I shouldve called his supervisor! no wait, he was the supervisor already! But he was really unfriendly and NOT he
64 N1120A : Scrapping DHS would be a good idea too. Not to mention the government's advice to always negotiate and that cockpit doors were so incredibly flimsy.
65 Wn676 : The TSA makes provisions for other sterile medical equipment, like syringes for diabetics, so what made this situation so different? Now, while I've
66 ThirtyEcho : This is EXACTLY why I haven't flown anywhere on an airline since 2002. I am a lifelong aviation enthusiast with thousands of hours as a pilot and thou
67 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Common sense is what is needed in that situation, something the TSA morons sadly do not possess Lee
68 Cpd : I haven't the time to read all the replies, but, yes, you are right about them not being doctors or nurses, but - I would hope they receive a degree
69 Copter808 : That IS a deadly weapon! Ever been hit in the head by one of them falling off a shelf? Laptop computers are weapons by the same standards!
70 Halls120 : You can fire private screeners if they aren't doing the job. Ever try to fire an inefficient or lazy government worker? Oh, by the way - the contract
71 HAMAD : usually when i travel in the USA i use my liscence, but when i was exiting the country thourgh IAD, and since ints an international flight with my I-9
72 Bardoman : My two cents is that quite a few people, when given a lot of discretionary power, tend to become @$$&$ and harass those under their authority - passen
73 Post contains images KaiGywer : And also same with Middle-of-Nowhere, North Dakota while riding on Amtrak. Much faster and easier to reroute a plane to the nearest suitable airport
74 D328 : They are also Tub Stackers of America.
75 Newark777 : I'm pretty sure that was because of a hurricane, not Michael Chertoff.
76 LHRBlueSkies : Common sense needs to be applied in most cases, and that's what was lacking here. Example - today we had had a situation where a staff member advised
77 Bond007 : What's lacking is common sense from the passenger. 1. For bringing a 500ml of liquid in the first place 2. For buying empty containers to put the sha
78 LHRBlueSkies : 1 - yes, pax should have observed the 100ml rule. 2 - they bought the empty containers on the staff members recommendation 3 - Molton & Brown £25!! W
79 Bond007 : Not sure that classifies as 'breaking the rules', just giving bad information. If anything, they were more strict than they needed to be. Still, as t
80 Seafleet : My wife works in OR everything that comes into an OR room is packed and sealed in clear plastic containers, and clearly marked as sterile whilst the p
81 Bond007 : ..and would you let your 14 year-old sick son, whose life might (or might not) have depended upon the sterility of one of these bottles, travel alone
82 Post contains images Nosedive : Again, just over 1/3 a page can tell you everything? Hell, there's a photo of a clear container, so if you can assume that the kid is in the wrong fr
83 Post contains images Halcyon : Interesting. I forgot on a recent flight and left a large bottle of cleaning fluid in my camera bag, which was my carry on. No one noticed. Going thr
84 Wolflair : Check the story. That's hardly 1/2 of a page. We do not have lots of information. However, from what I read I understand something very different: -
85 Bond007 : ... and that's EXACTLY why perhaps he should have been travelling with somebody else, if it really was this important! It says he was 14. No, I'm sim
86 Seafleet : Given that he is 14 and can clearly self administer what ever he needs to do and is considered fit enough to travel by his doctor presumably then why
87 Robsawatsky : A major misinterpretation of constitutional rights. In the US (and very similarly in Canada) there is a fundamental right to general "liberty". In ad
88 N1120A : There is also a fundamental right to travel.
89 Post contains images Jawed : I think the terrorists have already won. I truly believe Osama is living in a cave laughing his ass off about the retarded security procedures at US a
90 Redngold : Let me give you a little medical perspective on this. It all depends on where the feeding tube is implanted. If it goes through the skin, it definite
91 Bond007 : Then I'll say it again. Perhaps he shouldn't have been flying, or he should have had somebody with him, or he should have made prior arrangements...
92 DocLightning : Please research and enumerate how one makes "prior arrangements" to avoid this situation. And I'll tell you what, how about YOU stop flying. It's equ
93 Post contains images Bond007 : ????? What ??
94 Seafleet : Bond007 you are a hard man and appear without compassion from your posts. Your not a TSA agent are you by chance? Roger
95 Wolflair : It comes down to risks and mitigations. The kid was definitely taking appropriate measures to mitigate the risks associated with his condition. Was i
96 Bond007 : Evidently he hasn't ! Uh, yes, but it's irrelevant to this discussion. Jimbo
97 Scorpio : And, as other have already asked you: exactly WHAT should he have done to prevent this from happening? Exactly what should he have done to stop the T
98 Bond007 : Hey guys, Let me be clear here, please! My point is that NOBODY 'endangered his life' !! A TSA agent didn't tackle him to the ground, handcuff him, op
99 Scorpio : You're kidding, right? You don't actually expect a 14 year-old to take the decision not to fly, do you? To your average 14 year-old, "'I have to open
100 Post contains images Bond007 : If he can't, then he shouldn't have been flying alone, should he? He seems old enough to be able to insert feeding tubes into his body, and know when
101 Scorpio : Why, because one should always be ready to meet a figure of authority screwing up royally? So you are saying that we've sunk so low now that we have
102 Post contains images Bond007 : Well, you need to make your mind up. If he's prepared for things to go wrong, he's prepared to refuse to fly. What if he lost his bottle? What if he
103 Scorpio : The only reason he would have to 'refuse to fly' is if the TSA screwed up royally. Which, as I said earlier, is NOT something one is usually prepared
104 Bond007 : Oh bag, or whatever his tube is in. Yep, he's old enough to stick a feeding tube in his body, get on a plane, tell the TSA not to open his sterile ba
105 B777A340Fan : First off: I think it's so easy to advocate for the kid's position and argue against the TSA. TSA isn't trained to determine what is/isn't life-threat
106 Bond007 : Not if it put his LIFE at risk. This is the point!!!!! Jimbo
107 Post contains images WILCO737 : Well, I go through this security everyday and I accept it the way it is! I never refused to get searched or had a fight with a guy from security! Wha
108 B777A340Fan : Flying was not a threat to his life! Get it right. It's the fact that the TSA agent took his sterile tube out of the package (thereby unsterelizing i
109 Bond007 : Uh, I get it. He chose to fly ... knowing that the TSA would open his package if he did fly, but would not open it if he chose not to fly.... he made
110 Scorpio : Do you even remember what it was like being 14? I work with 14 year-olds on a daily basis, and trust me when I say that in a similar situation, where
111 Bond007 : Shall I repeat my line yet again then?? If the fact he isn't mature enough to make these decisions, then endangers his life, perhaps he should NOT be
112 Scorpio : And I'll repeat what I have said over and over again YET once more: What he experienced is solely the fault of the TSA agent, and is something no-one
113 Nzrich : I would tend to agree my last flight out of LAX my carry on bag nearly got pulled apart to find his big knife in it !!! The big knife turned into one
114 Seafleet : Man give it a rest for gods sake you are beyond belief . He didn't believe for one minute like any sensible person including adults would that the id
115 Seafleet : Hooray another person who has common sense and respect for a 14 year old with obvious serious medical problems and has clear human compassion for the
116 L-188 : Isn't that what they are supposed to be doing? Determine what is safe to take on an airplane and what isn't? Seems like the definition of their job D
117 Wn676 : That actually makes a lot of sense. The TSA was wrong, BUT, the kid still made the decision to let them contaminate the feeding tube. So the blame is
118 Wolflair : It's a shame people still do not understand the difference between not allowing hazardous materials to the airside of the terminal (e.g. firearms, kn
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