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Qantas To Face Cartel Charges - In Aus  
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

"THE Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is poised to launch action against Qantas and several international airlines for their alleged involvement in an illegal global air freight cartel."

http://business.smh.com.au/qantas-to...-cartel-charges/20080309-1y8h.html

This seems to follow on the charges overseas and a class action:

"Maurice Blackburn launched its action in February last year, where it alleged Qantas, Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Air New Zealand, JAL and British Airways illegally fixed freight surcharges. "

It is not clear which other airlines are involved at this stage. The article also states:
"The commission's chairman, Graeme Samuel, declined to comment to the Herald on the freight probe. But more details of the regulator's highly secretive investigation have come to light from a legal battle between it and Korean Airlines, which has refused to hand over documents."

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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2019 times:



Quoting Baroque (Thread starter):
"THE Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is poised to launch action against Qantas and several international airlines for their alleged involvement in an illegal global air freight cartel."

It was a given once they paid the US for their involvement...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Ok, maybe it is just me, but shouldn't there be some kind of law to prevent you getting fined in every single country for the same offence? Not going to deened QF or any other group involved, but shouldn't they be only fined once and the fine be paid in the home country or paid to one central group ?

Just in general it seems as though multi national companies are getting fined multiple times and for siginificant amounts of money so it seems like every one wants the cash. ie Microsoft fines in the EU.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1818 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 2):
Ok, maybe it is just me, but shouldn't there be some kind of law to prevent you getting fined in every single country for the same offence? Not going to deened QF or any other group involved, but shouldn't they be only fined once and the fine be paid in the home country or paid to one central group ?

Just in general it seems as though multi national companies are getting fined multiple times and for siginificant amounts of money so it seems like every one wants the cash. ie Microsoft fines in the EU.

Yes you make a good point there but also miss the point at the same time... the fines are because these companies broke the rules... the fines aren't necessarily more than the amount of profit those companies were making at the time... each country is only fining them relative to what exposure they had in that country.

Perhaps something like ICAO or IATA should be fining the airlines and then distributing those fines to the respective countries...that might be a simpler solution..



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

I thought that the Joint Services Agreement between BA and QF required and received Australian government approval. I also understood that the JSA resulted in BA and QF sharing all costs, all revenue and all profit on all routes flown by the two airlines between Australia and Europe. Such a government approved agreement would, I would have thought, made the legal action described difficult to enforce. Perhaps the agreement only covers passengers and not freight? I suppose you could have a formula that ascribes fuel costs separately to passenger and freight business on the one flight.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1695 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 2):
Ok, maybe it is just me, but shouldn't there be some kind of law to prevent you getting fined in every single country for the same offence?

That is what occurred to me immediately, how many more countries and how much in each! The list of airlines rather suggests quite a long list. Thank you Mr Dixon, pity you did not pay attention to the details while arranging the sale of Qantas.

For those who have not followed the recent saga, Allco, one of the main bidders last year now has more bits in receivership than not in receivership - or that is how it seems, the structure being so complex it is going to take months to unravel.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
I thought that the Joint Services Agreement between BA and QF required and received Australian government approval.

It might in part be that the Joint Serv Agreement was itself in a cartel arrangement with the other carriers.


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