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User currently offlineAcjflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 427 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Two employees of SkyWest Airlines that flies express/connection routes for DL, UA. YX filed a discrimination complaint through the State after being targeted for having an "alternative" lifestyle while working as ramp agents at the SLC hub.

The employees are releasing their stories to the media this week after which I'll provide links but when the company was confronted about the hostile work environment they said that since the employees had chosen their lifestyle they shouldn't expect any less since they work with 500 other epmloyees that have different beliefs.

It's unreal to think that a company in an industry known to support diversity and contemporary thinking treats their employees like this. No matter what lifestyle they choose, no one deserves to go to work in a hostile un-productive work environment.

The worst thing is that the company has their own policy against discrimination that includes race, gender, religion, sex, and even sexual orientation.

It makes me want to never fly SkyWest again.

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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3706 times:



Quoting Acjflyer (Thread starter):
It makes me want to never fly SkyWest again.

Might want to wait for the full story to emerge, unless you have personal knowledge.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Well I just have to say that at my station everyone is aware of my lifestyle (and others who share it) and there have never been any problems (at least that I am aware of). We all make jokes but there's never any hate or anything like that. I'm glad I work in the environment that I do, as I wasn't really expecting it when I got hired.

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 1):
Might want to wait for the full story to emerge, unless you have personal knowledge.

My thoughts exactly. Let's not be a typical media-informed person here.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

I think you should also take note of WHERE they work. I don't want to turn this into a religious rant.....just that sometimes the "predominant" religion isn't the most tolerable.


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User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3333 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 3):
I think you should also take note of WHERE they work. I don't want to turn this into a religious rant.....just that sometimes the "predominant" religion isn't the most tolerable.

Exactly. DAB is a long, long way from SLC, in every respect.
To the original poster: please provide links to the story as soon as they become available. Inquiring minds want to know!


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6041 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3209 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 3):
I think you should also take note of WHERE they work. I don't want to turn this into a religious rant.....just that sometimes the "predominant" religion isn't the most tolerable.

Exactly. I find it rather funny that the OP is thinking of boycotting a whole airline based on the personal beliefs of a small group of individuals from an area where the "it's my way or the highway" mentality dominates. That said—and this could apply for any area where certain morals, customs, or beliefs are held in high regard—a small voice with different ideals is often smothered or ridiculed in places where the local populace believes that such an ideal should not exist.

(I think I said that clear enough.)



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

No matter where you work. No one should have to go to work in a hostil environment, no matter what the main religion is very up front. We all need to learn how to live and work together as people. Not on what you believe and how you live your life. No wonder this world has all these problems. Everyone is trying to tell everyone else how to live their lives.

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2932 times:



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 1):
Quoting Acjflyer (Thread starter):
It makes me want to never fly SkyWest again.

Might want to wait for the full story to emerge, unless you have personal knowledge.

Yeah, really.  Yeah sure Some specifics would sure be nice before condemning an entire airline.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2923 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
Everyone is trying to tell everyone else how to live their lives.

Well, this works both ways, right?

Jimbo



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User currently offlineWhataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2775 times:

OMG... Dejavu....
Y'all will never believe that this happened to me too.. Where at SLC.... Who? Delta.. I was working res here in on Oct 26 I was called into my sups office and she said I was being suspended because an employee filed a complaint against me stating my "VOICE" created a hostile environment for her. I was being suspended until further notice. On Nov 28 my sups calls me at home to say I was being terminated for bad customer service. ( I have over 20 compliment letters in my file and for you Delta employees that know about honor roll passes I have S2B for every month I was there). She asked me to resign so I will not have a termination on my file so I can continue my airline career. I asked her how this came about and I hit the record button on a call and it wasn't the best caller. Y'all know how elite member can get at times. My sup said I cussed the caller out and threatened her life. When I asked to listen to that call I was denied. I asked why and I was told that it is now in Atlanta and she can not get it. HOG WASH.... Here is the Kicker. I filed unemployment and good ole Delta try to do a rebuttal to the Utah Unemployment that on Sept 19 2007 I was called into the office and talked to about my bad customer service skills I have. Well on Sept 19, 2007 I was in Calgary Canada at a Keith Urban concert. Well luck was on my side there because I proved it and got unemployment.
I think it all boils down to my partner got sick with cancer in the summer and he racked up a hefty bill and he was on my insurance. I spoke to a lawyer and he said that could well be the reason for my departure from Delta, but it would be hard to prove. Oh well... Good News though, I was offered a Flight attendant position with Republic Airways flying for Shuttle America... How ironic...LOL.....
That was my short version.. Y'all have a good day and Happy Flying


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2721 times:



Quoting Acjflyer (Thread starter):
It makes me want to never fly SkyWest again.

Makes me want to wait to hear the whole story before rushing to an ignorant uniformed judgement.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 3):
I think you should also take note of WHERE they work. I don't want to turn this into a religious rant.....just that sometimes the "predominant" religion isn't the most tolerable.

If you don't want to why did you? SLC is a pretty tolerant place to live. There is a large GLBT community there.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
from an area where the "it's my way or the highway" mentality dominates.

Hardly the LDS religion is largely about personal accountability and having the God given gift of agency to freely do with as we choose.

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
Not on what you believe and how you live your life. No wonder this world has all these problems. Everyone is trying to tell everyone else how to live their lives.

See above. The LDS church does not impose it's standards on others. That would be interfering with the agency of others.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
Yeah, really. Some specifics would sure be nice before condemning an entire airline.

Some specifics would be nice before condemning an entire religion.


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2656 times:
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Quoting Acjflyer (Thread starter):
since the employees had chosen their lifestyle

I'm amazed that they used the word "chosen"...



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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13597 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2572 times:
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Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 9):
( I have over 20 compliment letters in my file

And how many discussions with management concerning poor performance? Tell the whole story.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
The LDS church does not impose it's standards on others.

 rotfl 

Whatever you say.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Me thinks IairAllie must be a Mormon, or is in the position of never being a minority (religious wise) among a overwhelmingly huge Mormon majority.

It's suffocating.


User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2532 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
The LDS church does not impose it's standards on others.

Ummm, I beg to differ.

I paid a ridiculous amount of money for a bottle of vodka (or vodak if you're a FARK.com reader) at the Utah State Liquor Store the other night. Because Utah has some of the most oppressive liquor laws in the country, thanks to an overwhelming majority of LDS state legislators, there is no competition in alcohol sales.

All the more reason Lee's Liquors in Mesquite, NV does brisk business.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2440 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
If you don't want to why did you? SLC is a pretty tolerant place to live. There is a large GLBT community there.

I lived there for over 22 years, non LDS, and I can tell you that they discriminate against non LDS every day, directly and indirectly. The church hierarchy may espouse getting along but the rank and file don't live it.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
The LDS church does not impose it's standards on others. That would be interfering with the agency of others.

This statement would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Take off the rose colored glasses and see your state as it really is.



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User currently offlineWhataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2415 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 9):
( I have over 20 compliment letters in my file

And how many discussions with management concerning poor performance? Tell the whole story.

Is it that you can't read. I stated I was called into the office on Sept 19. A day that I was not even there.
I never had poor performance. I was called into the office once because I accidently clocked out an hour early and went home. opps....


User currently offlineDL757FAN From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

As I grew up in Salt Lake as a non-LDS man and have friends from all "walks of life" (race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc.), I can say Salt Lake proper is little over half non-LDS with primarily liberal folks. On the other hand, the suburban areas tend to be a little more LDS concentrated and conservative, therefore, most work environments will have a mix of LDS/non-LDS. I have, personally, witnessed discrimination of an Utah employee due to the religious factor. Fact is, DISCRIMINATION IS EVERYWHERE (not just in Utah) albeit unfortunate.

In regards to this particular claim, there are ALWAYS two sides to the story and not enough information for an outsider to make a claim that this actually occurred.

To make a statement that "I will never fly Skywest again" is absurd. I bet you a ice cold brewski that you will fly them if the price is right from, let's say, PHX-SLC (for example).


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2235 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
The LDS church does not impose it's standards on others.

Whatever you say.

Any group that goes around knocking on doors, then doesn't leave when I tell them to do so, is trying to impose its morals on me.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 13):
Me thinks IairAllie must be a Mormon, or is in the position of never being a minority (religious wise) among a overwhelmingly huge Mormon majority.

Most people who say "LDS" instead of Mormon are. Either that, or they lived for quite a while in Salt Lake City.



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User currently offline87GROUNDED From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

As an individual intimately familiar with the Utah lifestyle and the us vs. them mentality, I can truthfully say that you are taught from an early age that: "If you're not one of us then you are against us." Luckily I escaped.

As afr as the OO issue is concerned, I don't have a problem flying them in the future no matter what someone claims about their personnel policies. I've always been treated fairly and professionally when I have flown them (20+ times in the past 10 years) and until proven otherwise, will continue to do so.



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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13597 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2076 times:
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Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 16):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 9):
( I have over 20 compliment letters in my file

And how many discussions with management concerning poor performance? Tell the whole story.

Is it that you can't read... I never had poor performance.

So you say. But res supervisors don't arbitrarily dismiss employees. There has to be just cause, and your significant other's health problems aren't the reason.

So again, tell the whole story - you swore you never had any problems until I posted, and then you suddenly remembered clocking out early without management's permission. What else has conveniently escaped your memory?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but the point is that I've never once heard of an employee that was disciplined or dismissed for just cause and then ultimately turned around and said, "Wow. Y'know, I guess I had that coming." It was always "management's picking on me." So you'll forgive me if I'm inclined to think this is probably the same situation with you.



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User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2002 times:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/desti...s/2005-08-23-salt-lake-outed_x.htm

Salt Lake City is always rated a very gay friendly city. The same discrimination unfortunitely has happened in SFO and JFK before im sure


User currently offlineWhataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1963 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 20):
So you say. But res supervisors don't arbitrarily dismiss employees. There has to be just cause, and your significant other's health problems aren't the reason.

You know this for a fact. Please share your knowledge.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 20):
So again, tell the whole story - you swore you never had any problems until I posted, and then you suddenly remembered clocking out early without management's permission. What else has conveniently escaped your memory?

Me clocking out an hour early wasn't an issue and was not put into my file.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 20):
"Wow. Y'know, I guess I had that coming." It was always "management's picking on me." So you'll forgive me if I'm inclined to think this is probably the same situation with you

For one I never saw it coming and no one else either. I never stated in my post that management was picking on me. You don't even the whole story and I don't even no the whole story. So before you start inclining to think something take what is writen on this site with a grain of salt. I hardly ever post things on this site but I read alot of posting and you and a few other A.netters like to always bash people. Please forgive me if I insulted you.


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Yes Bond007. However, I have never in my life discriminated against anyone. No matter what their life style is, where the live, what work they do, what religions they are. Or any thing else you can think of.

I raised my boys not to identify someone by color, way of acting or their life style or belief's. And believe me if they ever did that they would have to deal with me. I have been on the other end of all this type of crap. And it is not right. In fact some of my best friends live another life style. And belive in different religions. I watch day in and day out of what my Brother- in - law had to go through because he was Gay and the hate done to him at work and when not working....And I also watch him die and hear people say " He got what he what was coming to him" and all the other hateful thing that could be said. Hate should have no place in any part of this world. But, people will live their life the way thy want to. And I'm not about to point them out, or hate them, or hurt them. That is the way I believe that one day their will be no hate in this world.

Chuck


User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13597 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1876 times:
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Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 22):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 20):
So you say. But res supervisors don't arbitrarily dismiss employees. There has to be just cause, and your significant other's health problems aren't the reason.

You know this for a fact. Please share your knowledge.

Obviously I can't speak intelligently about your particular situation - especially since I've not seen your personnel file - but being a res supervisor myself, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the LAST thing management can or would discharge you for is the amount of health problems your significant other has.

Now if your attendance reliability wasn't where it needed to be as a RESULT of your need to care for your significant other, that's a different story - assuming your situation wasn't covered by FMLA, that is. But then again, the reason for discharge would be poor attendance, not because of your significant other's health.

As I said before, there has to be just cause to dismiss an employee. It's not something anyone in management enjoys, finds ways to do, or looks forward to. Frankly, if it ever became EASY for someone in management to let an employee go, it's a clear sign they're in the wrong line of work.

Even in a non-union environment in a right-to-work state (the circumstances where it's 'easiest' to discharge people for just cause), you have to show - barring some unforgivable breach of company rules, like bringing a firearm to work - that you've counseled the employee on their behavior and coached them for improvement before resorting to termination. Fact of the matter is that the company has a lot of time and money invested in any employee and so it's not the most cost-effective thing to just go around firing people. Not to mention that your legal department always wants to know about terminations and see there's cause beforehand to ensure there's no way a wrongful termination suit can be brought against them.

So again, I'm not trying to be antagonistic in any way - but I'm inclined to believe that there was more to the story of your termination than you're sharing.



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