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Adam Air Landing Incident Today?  
User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

TV News at the moment is talking about an Adam Air 737 that has had a runway excursion at Batam near Singapore, any more news about it ?

Seen nothing on here....


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User currently offlineVS239 From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Some news here

http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/ai...nway/2008/03/10/1205125809708.html



Who...me??
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6981 times:

http://www.aviaton-safety.net claim it´s PK-KKT that was involved in the accident.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):
TV News at the moment is talking about an Adam Air 737 that has had a runway excursion at Batam near Singapore, any more news about it ?

Any word if the aircraft is a write-off or not? Hope all evacuated safely!

[Edited 2008-03-10 06:17:18]

User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

Here some pictures of the plane: http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_quer/story/12769489

(text only in german)


User currently offlineAukahkay From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6739 times:

http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%...a/Story/A1Story20080310-53637.html

It is a B737-400. The plane landed in rain, skidded off the runway and damaged the right wing upon landing at Batam airport, an Indonesian island just 10 km south of Singapore. Adam Air is notorious for its poor safety record. In January 2007, an Adam Air B737 crashed into the Sulawesi Sea and all 102 on board perished.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12563 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

Have they started receiving A320s yet, or is that deal still on?

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12563 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

Photos from Flight International:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...737-skids-off-runway-at-batam.html

Doesn't look too bad.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6952 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
Doesn't look too bad.

Aircraft rumoured to be a write off, the wing root has been compromised, partly or mainly due to the collapsed landing gear hitting it... but that's still a rumour

PK-KKT... 734 (leased from CIT)
Unconfirmed but it was reported by "witnesses" that, Weather was after a rainshower, wet runway, steady slight crosswind, no gusts or windshear reported by previous 3 aircraft (a Merpati, Batavia Air and Indonesia Air Asia 737s).

Aircraft reported to have tried to land 2x and went around...

On 3rd attempt, aircraft bounced 3x, afterwhich right main landing gear collapsed causing aircraft to exit the runway. Landing gear jammed below the inboard right handside flaps causing damage to it.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
Have they started receiving A320s yet, or is that deal still on?

The deal was never on/confirmed as a firm order.

On the same day it was also reported that Adam Air is to cease operations soon. 14 pilots have applied en masse to another airline, the accounting has been "zeroed" / "whitewashed", and that 7 aircraft are grounded because lease non-payments.

This compounds allegations over the past few months that Adam Air has been facing grave difficulties in staying alive, with crew exodus continuing and return to the "old (lack of) safety culture.

Part Owner Bhakti Investama has said they will start up a new airline too, leaving the future of Adam Air in doubt.

Mandala499

[Edited 2008-03-10 14:19:40]


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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4724 times:

This airline is a disgrace. They've had at least 3 accidents in the past year and one of them killed everyone on board....this is a sad excuse for an airline

User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4546 times:

My brother coordinates maintenance for Delta's overall operations, as well as for the other airlines they service, which includes Adam Air. He has the best stories of them, including one time when they called to "negotiate" the price of an engine part that he had ordered for them. The price was right over $3000, and they called to say that the most they'd pay was $300. It's been on order since 2006 and they still refuse to pay it. They also refused to pay for a $16 part. We were just talking two days ago about when the next Adam Air incident would occur. Great timing.

User currently offlineSankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

So which is the best airline to bet on in Indonesia then, both in terms of a passenger and in terms of an investor? A toss up between Lion Air and Mandala perhaps? Or even Garuda?

User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3892 times:



Quoting Halcyon (Reply 10):
They also refused to pay for a $16 part

not surprizied, it this mind set that comes top down...the pilots n Mx cant do much is there are no budgets for them and the owners pocket everything...


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3863 times:



Quoting Sankaps (Reply 11):
So which is the best airline to bet on in Indonesia then, both in terms of a passenger and in terms of an investor?

In terms of safety and reliability, Garuda, the new Mandala and Sriwijaya I would say.



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User currently offlineMax777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3855 times:



Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):
TV News at the moment is talking about an Adam Air 737 that has had a runway excursion at Batam near Singapore, any more news about it ?

Seen nothing on here....

Some pictures from italian news...

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gal...erie/esteri/indonesia-aereo/1.html

Text says :

"Moments of fear for 174 pax of Adamair in Batam, Indonesia. Trying to land the airplane under heavy rain, it slided over the rwy ending its run on the grass. Five people were injured"


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

$16 might seem cheap now  Smile

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6952 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

Perhaps Adam Air is to cease ops soon...
The airline isn't accepting any bookings after 16th March...
Tried to make booking on 17th March couldn't get anything, but 17th April still got some seats...

Called the reservations center... "We're not flying after 16th March"...



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

FR might be many things, but the one thing they always live by is the theory that safety might be expensive but an accident is far, far, far more expensive. This seems not to be the case in Indonesia at the moment. Adam have written off 3 (or is it 4) frames in less than 6 months. Who the hell is insuring these people, or is it a case of "brown envelopes"?

Brian.



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6952 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3638 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 17):
Adam have written off 3 (or is it 4) frames in less than 6 months.

6 frames in less than 6 months? Which ones?

The ones I recall off from my head (subject to omissions and errors) are:
MAR08: PK-KKT, Batam, RMLG collapsed on landing. (potential W/O)
MAR07: PK-KKV, Surabaya, hard landing, fuselage severely bent (W/O)
JAN07: PK-KKW, off Makassar, current most probable cause is IRS/U failure with A/P engaged resulting in loss of orientation and attitude control leading to high speed impact with water.

Quoting Max777geek (Reply 14):
"Moments of fear for 174 pax of Adamair in Batam, Indonesia. Trying to land the airplane under heavy rain, it slided over the rwy ending its run on the grass. Five people were injured"

How do you run off a 4000m runway with reversers is beyond me... the location of the aircraft is not off the end of the runway.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 17):
Who the hell is insuring these people, or is it a case of "brown envelopes"?

That's the same question we have over here... who the hell is putting up the insurance? Especially the case of -KKV... we "know" it wasn't windshear... just an unstable approach with a belly flop...



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3625 times:



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 16):
The airline isn't accepting any bookings after 16th March...

Plenty of seats bookable online for CGK-JOG next week, can't find anything CGK-SUB after the 14th though...



Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6952 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

CGK-JOG
17-18MAR = "FULL"
19-21MAR = few flights only
22MAR = all but 1 flight available
23MAR = "FULL"
24MAR onwards = looks normal, several flights "available" but all on the lowest classes

It looks like a severely reduced schedule.
looking at SUB, yes, seems that "all is full", but the return portions are all Q and Y class (lowest and highest)... In the past, when these occur, we assume (mostly rightly) no-op...
Medan is funnier, all full until 24th... but then, the availability pattern in terms of subclasses are identical until 29th...

But all this makes me wonder, what were the guys in the call center playing at by saying "we're not taking bookings after 16th...



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3532 times:



Quoting LeftWing (Reply 12):
not surprizied, it this mind set that comes top down.

Very true. My brother was told to be less vocal about Adam's maintenance quality, and that certainly was not from a person low on the totem pole. The pilots certainly want to fly safe aircraft, and the majority of the problem is with the small minority of the people at the top.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
$16 might seem cheap now

Quite true. I've also heard tales of them wrapping binder wire around a pencil to make a spring, but I certainly can't vouch for that, and it seems pretty far out there.  Wink


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6952 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3460 times:



Quoting Halcyon (Reply 21):
Quite true. I've also heard tales of them wrapping binder wire around a pencil to make a spring, but I certainly can't vouch for that, and it seems pretty far out there.

I dunno whether thats true or not, and yes, it seems pretty far out, but knowing Adam Air, it wouldn't surprise me. They've done some really crazy/stupid things in terms of maintenance so far... yes, thanks to the small minority at the top.

Those that do care about safety have left, some were sued by Adam Air for leaving, some got off without any strings attached... those in operations who are left behind are either those who don't care about safety, can't leave without punitive lawsuits, those who want to try and turn the company to be a safe one, don't know what safety is, or don't know enough about safety.

Some of the stories from my friends who left the company are way out of this world...

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 21):
My brother was told to be less vocal about Adam's maintenance quality, and that certainly was not from a person low on the totem pole.

There are those low on the totem pole who'd "tell people not to talk" so they can save their own butts or because they want to suck up for a promotion... and there are those idiots who do so because they haven't got a clue.
Have a search on Adam Air on say, 2006... *grin*



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3445 times:



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 22):
Some of the stories from my friends who left the company are way out of this world...

I bet that they make for great dinner conversation.

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 22):


There are those low on the totem pole who'd "tell people not to talk" so they can save their own butts or because they want to suck up for a promotion... and there are those idiots who do so because they haven't got a clue.

I'll certainly believe you. Money creates stupidity sometimes, but it's hard for me to put myself into such a different mindset. Thanks for the info about how it got to be this way.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6952 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Latest unconfirmed info from Batam Airport is that the crew tried to immediately evacuate the aircraft but the slides were inop... *which knowing Adam, doesn't surprise me*... GSE crew reached the aircraft before the emergency crew... and "donated" the ladders for evac. Am waiting for photo of the actual evac to give more clues as to how it was handled...

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
25 Post contains links Max777geek : Not sure it shows how it was handled, anyway this picture looks what does not seems at all a 737 slide hanging from the door.
26 Post contains images Mandala499 : That pic on the link was taken not long after the evac was completed. I'm told the pic that's coming shows what happened during the evac, which will p
27 GFFgold : If this wasn't such a serious matter it would be high comedy. The Keystone Cops have nothing on Adam!
28 Post contains links and images Mandala499 : OK, we now have a photo of the evacuation in progress... If my eyes are correct... there's 1 crew member on the phone, a handful of airport personnel,
29 Rissee01 : This doesn't seem good to me... I booked a ticket for 23 of March to fly from Jakarta to Singapore. Try to contact the call centre to cancel my ticket
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