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SA A340-600 @ AMS  
User currently offlineKL1291 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Good day all,

I was wondering about the SA346 (cannot saw here REG) still standing at J-apron in AMS. I saw here first already yesterday around 13H00 LT and she is still standing on the same location right now.

Can anyone explain the reason for this?? Was she a diversion from LHR?? No regular flight here in AMS.

KL1291

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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Yes, thanks to a windy day yesterday, Schiphol welcomed some diversions:

* Qantas B744 VH-OJL, QF031 SIN-LHR
* BA B744 G-CIVM, BA124 BAH-LHR
* US A330 N274AY, US732 CHL-LGW
* US B757 N201UU, US730 CHL-LGW
* SA)">DL B767 N182DN, DL58 ATL-LGW
* SA A346 ZS-SNA, SA324 JNB-LHR

All diversions left AMS yesterday, except for the SA. This one departed 11.25 this morning after mandatory crew rest. Passengers and crew were brought to an hotel in the area and are now, finally, in LHR. Nice to mention, the A346 was parked at a remote stand as there is no A346 towbar available at Schiphol. The plane could just taxi off from that stand.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineAUA747 From Aruba, joined Jul 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3228 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 1):
stand as there is no A346 towbar available at Schiphol

Didn't CX operate A346 into AMS sometime ago?


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

I hope SAA and Qantas liked Amsterdam so much yesterday that they come back for scheduled services someday


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User currently offlineKL1291 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3101 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 1):
Yes, thanks to a windy day yesterday, Schiphol welcomed some diversions:

Thank you very much for your info!!

What a boring approx 30hrs in Amsterdam / The Netherlands must that had been for all pax o/b that SA324 flight. Although, you can do a lot in 30hrs over-here. You can visit the hole country from North to South.

KL1291


User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

The SA 346 left AMS at 11:25LT and the US 757 is still at AMS on the G buffer...

Regards, Flyingfool


User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting AUA747 (Reply 2):

Didn't CX operate A346 into AMS sometime ago?

Unfortunately not! That has never happen before.

[Edited 2008-03-11 08:16:05]

User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3022 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 1):

Just a minor correction,

US 730 is PHL-LGW B757

US 732 is CLT-LGW A330 (Charlotte, North Carolina is not CHL)


User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2964 times:



Quoting KL1291 (Reply 4):
What a boring approx 30hrs in Amsterdam / The Netherlands must that had been for all pax o/b that SA324 flight. Although, you can do a lot in 30hrs over-here. You can visit the hole country from North to South

Except that South African citizens need a Schengen visa to enter the Netherlands, so those heading to the UK would have to stay airside anyway.

Which introduces a question - in cases like this where aircraft divert to a 3rd country, what happens if passengers on the flight do not have the relevent visas for that country?

signol



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User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2886 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 8):
Except that South African citizens need a Schengen visa to enter the Netherlands, so those heading to the UK would have to stay airside anyway.

Which introduces a question - in cases like this where aircraft divert to a 3rd country, what happens if passengers on the flight do not have the relevent visas for that country?

Good point, I wonder if they'd even be allowed to leave the terminal?



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4800 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2784 times:
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Too bad I missed it. It remains a beautiful bird, even if her commercial sales success is not comparible with the B777-300ER.

Out of personal experience I can say however that she flies excellent, very quit indeed!


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2437 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 8):

Which introduces a question - in cases like this where aircraft divert to a 3rd country, what happens if passengers on the flight do not have the relevent visas for that country?

Usually they're scr***d.... JU had a WX related diversion into ATH a year ago, pax were kept in the transit area for something like 2 days. Despite the guarantees and pleas from the Serbian embassy and JU to let the pax stay at the airport hotel until BEG reopens, the Greek authorities simply refused. They barely allowed a pax who suffered a heart attack during this time, to be taken to hospital.

It was a huge fiasco.



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2357 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 8):
Except that South African citizens need a Schengen visa to enter the Netherlands, so those heading to the UK would have to stay airside anyway.

Well, there was a solution to this problem as all passengers and crew were brought to an hotel in the neighbourhood to get some sleep.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1704 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2271 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 1):
Nice to mention, the A346 was parked at a remote stand as there is no A346 towbar available at Schiphol. The

So Schiphol didn't learn from the debalce with the VS 346 a couple of years ago.
Strange that an intl. airport like AMS still doesn't have a towbar for a 340-600 available.
There are enough scheduled services operated with 346 in neighbouring countries so a diversion can occur anytime.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2250 times:



Quoting EPA001 (Reply 10):
Too bad I missed it. It remains a beautiful bird, even if her commercial sales success is not comparible with the B777-300ER.

Totally agreed. IMHO the a345 and a346 are the most beautiful current gen widebodies flying (with the MD11 and 744). Unfortunately, I still need to fly on them, as well as the MD11  Sad



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2234 times:



Quoting DALCE (Reply 13):
So Schiphol didn't learn from the debalce with the VS 346 a couple of years ago.

Yes, they did, hence the remote stand from where the plane could taxi out on it's own power. There's no need to invest in this towbar as long as you remember to park the diverted plane at that remote stand.

Maybe someone else can tell me, aren't their towtrucks available at Schiphol that "surrounds" the nosewheel itself, therefore not needing the towbar?

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2187 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 15):
Maybe someone else can tell me, aren't their towtrucks available at Schiphol that "surrounds" the nosewheel itself, therefore not needing the towbar?

Yes, KLM operates those, e.g. for the B747's and smaller ones for 737's. These pushback trucks lift the plane a bit around the nosewheel and push/pull the plane then.

btw, I think even Servisair operates a few of these at AMS, but not for the widebodies.

Bye!  wave 



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User currently offlinePSPfan From Netherlands, joined Mar 2008, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
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Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 15):
Maybe someone else can tell me, aren't their towtrucks available at Schiphol that "surrounds" the nosewheel itself, therefore not needing the towbar?

The aircraft type has to be in the tugs computer. The KLM (and other companies) don't have the A346 in those computers. The tugs are able to push/lift the plane, but they won't do it because of the insurance problems.

PSPfan



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2107 times:



Quoting PSPfan (Reply 17):
The aircraft type has to be in the tugs computer. The KLM (and other companies) don't have the A346 in those computers. The tugs are able to push/lift the plane, but they won't do it because of the insurance problems.

Got it! Thanks for the reply!

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineNohag From Belgium, joined Apr 2004, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Another question concerning a diversion:

What if the plane diverted to your intended final destination eg. your itinerary is JNB-LHR-AMS (because you opted not to fly KLM non-stop  Smile ) and the plane diverts to AMS.
Being a EU-citizen can I just get off the plane and go home? Will the leg LHR-AMS be reimbursed?



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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1970 times:



Quoting Nohag (Reply 19):
What if the plane diverted to your intended final destination eg. your itinerary is JNB-LHR-AMS (because you opted not to fly KLM non-stop ) and the plane diverts to AMS.
Being a EU-citizen can I just get off the plane and go home? Will the leg LHR-AMS be reimbursed?

In this case the airline would have to pay for more ground service for offloading the bagage containers and search for one or two bags. Too much hasle for the airline hence they'd probably won't do that.
In the case of the SA diversion the ground handler would have to bring a lowerdeck loader from say the G-pier to J-Apron which is a hell of a job because a loader have to climb the steep airside bridge over the the A4 motorway. I can tell you out of experience that a loader is not suitable to climb but only to drive from one gate to another. We have done it but the loader have to be pushed or towed uphill. J-apron is initialy meant for parking a/c.

As for the towbarless pusback tugs. As it can lift a 744, even the freighter version, it can lift a 346. My company handles all VS diversions. There should be a possibilty to override the computer and do it manually. We asked KLM to push/lift the VS346 for us but they said no. KLM groundservices has the reputation to be a pain in the butt for the other groundhandlers at AMS. They also have the reputation to do nothing and absolutely nothing irregular what was probably the real reason. KLM groundhandling is everything but flexible.

Sander  Wink



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User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1930 times:



Quoting Aviationfreak (Reply 20):
KLM groundservices has the reputation to be a pain in the butt for the other groundhandlers at AMS. They also have the reputation to do nothing and absolutely nothing irregular what was probably the real reason. KLM groundhandling is everything but flexible.

I totally agree on that statement...

They are looking down to other GHA's because they think they are the biggest and the best.
Last year I got a phone call at my work, it was one of the representatives of the airline we do the cargo handling for, and he told us that he received a complain from the manager of KLM Load control that we may not longer call KL to ask for the cargo capacity as we are "disturbing them".

The only thing we where able to do was laughing very loud...

Regards, Flyingfool


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