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Singapore Airlines To Fly A380 To Tokyo: 20 May  
User currently offlineSINGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12788 times:

Singapore Airlines will operate the Airbus A380 to Tokyo Narita Airport from 20 May 2008.

The aircraft is configured in 12 Singapore Airlines Suites, 60 New Business Class and 399 New Economy Class bringing passengers Travel In A New Light.

Singapore Airlines is First To Fly the A380.


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12793 times:

Good. But why?  Confused

User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1917 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12659 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Good. But why?

Maybe it's an plot by Airbus and Singapore to ensure the NH order...  Wink

Cheers!



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12480 times:

Singapore Airlines has announced A380 flights to Tokyo

20 May 2008 only:

SQ636 departs 0040 from SIN and arrives 0830 in NRT
SQ637 departs 1300 from NRT and arrives 1930 in SIN

From 20 May 2008
SQ638 departs 2340 from SIN and arrives 0730 in NRT the next day

From 21 May 2008
SQ637 departs 1130 from NRT and arrives 1735 in SIN.



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3874 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12446 times:

I thought, according to A.net lore, that Japanese airports had banned anything with more than two engines? At least, thats the reason given on here every time the prospect of a Japanese A380 customer comes up - the airports won't allow it.

User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12279 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
Japanese airports had banned anything with more than two engines

what the hell than would JL and NH do with all theirs 744>



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User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12180 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
I thought, according to A.net lore, that Japanese airports had banned anything with more than two engines? At least, thats the reason given on here every time the prospect of a Japanese A380 customer comes up - the airports won't allow it.

Only certain airports have been banned i think HND atm is the only one with this ban in effect. I beleive that if they did this full airport 4 engine ban, you would find a lot of airlines just stop serving Japan! I also beleive that this ban was inteded for domestic flights only.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12097 times:

Well, LH flies its 340/744 to NGO, KIX and NRT. So neither of them can have banned 4 engine planes.

User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12029 times:

I'm a little suprised by this announcement. I mean the flight's are probably packed, but it seems like a short route distance wise for the A380.

User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 670 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11962 times:

This is a symbolic move by SIA, designed to flaunt off the A380 as a benchmark of Singapore's wealth, power, and prestige, right in the backyard of Tokyo at NRT. It's probably also a publicity stunt to attract more Japanese tourists and other jet-setters to Singapore, or at least to change planes at Singapore Changi Airport.


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3918 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11936 times:



Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 9):
This is a symbolic move by SIA, designed to flaunt off the A380 as a benchmark of Singapore's wealth, power, and prestige, right in the backyard of Tokyo at NRT. It's probably also a publicity stunt to attract more Japanese tourists and other jet-setters to Singapore, or at least to change planes at Singapore Changi Airport.

It will also allow for increased utilisation of the A380, as more of them are delivered to SIN. The 380 is a very expensive plane to keep on the ground. Im sure the 77W does lots of regional routes too, justl like the 345 does some, and the 744. Its just brought to our attenton because the 380 is so new.

Brian.



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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11884 times:

I am very surprised that many questioned the use of the A380 on the SIN-NRT route. It has been said many times by SIA officials that NRT will be the third destination for the A380 after SYD and LHR. Like LHR, NRT is a slot-constrained airport - the very justification for airlines when they were considering purchase of the A380s. So really no surprise here - in fact, this is a perfectly logical route for the A380. Not too long, slot constrained airport at the destination, good mix of corporate and leisure travellers.

Just in case anyone else is going to be surprised, the next destinations for the SIA A380s will be HKG and SFO.

KC Sim


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11863 times:



Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 8):
I'm a little suprised by this announcement. I mean the flight's are probably packed, but it seems like a short route distance wise for the A380.

It's not that much shorter than SYD. With 4 A380's in the fleet, there will be plenty of room for a daily rotation to NRT.
SIN-LHR = 2 A380's
SIN-SYD = 1 A380
SIN-NRT = 1 A380
IIRC, NRT was always planned to be the 3rd A380 destination after SYD and LHR.


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2217 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11833 times:



Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 8):
it seems like a short route distance wise for the A380.

It's not a very short flight. A few comparisons:

SIN-NRT 2889 nm
JFK-LHR 2999 nm
SIN-SYD 3395 nm

So, SIN-NRT is actually only 110 nm shorter than JFK-LHR.



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User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11781 times:



Quoting RedChili (Reply 13):
Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 8):
it seems like a short route distance wise for the A380.

It's not a very short flight. A few comparisons:

Didn't you know that every flight inside that big country called Asia is considered short?  duck 



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User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11671 times:
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Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 2):
Maybe it's an plot by Airbus and Singapore to ensure the NH order.

Yes it is that for JL too...  Wink



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11620 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 6):
Only certain airports have been banned i think HND atm is the only one with this ban in effect

Just so everyone knows clearly. Its only Osaka Itami (ITM) that has this ban in place. The Japanese airlines pack 525 pax on a 773 domestically configured for Japan. So they thought that it could be a direct replacement. ITM has always had problems with being too close to the city. The approach course goes over downtown and there are so many airports in ITM. The departure also forces them to fly over ITM and onto Maiko 5 departures, or Nara reversal one departures.

If they banned it in HND, it would create chaos. JL and NH used a lot of B744D for HND-CTS, HND-OKA and so on.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11511 times:

I would imagine SIN-NRT is going to be a precursor to SIN-NRT-LAX once more A380s arrive, the same way they started with SIN-SYD in anticipation of SYD-SIN-LHR. I know many have said they expect SIN-HKG-SFO to come first, but I've always had a hunch it would be LAX first. We'll see I guess.


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User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11001 times:

Narita was the 3rd destination point from the very beginning.

And sure thing it will apply pressure on JAL and ANA.


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 743 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10966 times:
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Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 14):
Didn't you know that every flight inside that big country called Asia is considered short?

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

As several of you have already pointed out; NRT was always going to be the third SQ 380 destination. And the there will be HKG and SFO. And then LAX??

Cheers

Stein



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User currently offlineCell7481 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10930 times:

From my very limited experience, this makes since for SQ. When I took an F award from LAX-SIN in Oct for the A380 auction I won, the SIN-NRT segment on the way back was the only flight that had more than 7 seats taken in F. This fight actually had a completely full load in F!

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10322 times:

Then I guess the fourth A380 will be delivered by mid-May.

Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 18):
And sure thing it will apply pressure on JAL and ANA.

Pressure to JL sure, but why NH? They are in Star Alliance and codeshare respectively.
NH doesn't even have first class on any of its Asian routes and their business-class seats aren't those that are found on long-haul flights to Europe or US.


User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10192 times:



Quoting Aviasian (Reply 11):
I am very surprised that many questioned the use of the A380 on the SIN-NRT route. It has been said many times by SIA officials that NRT will be the third destination for the A380 after SYD and LHR. Like LHR, NRT is a slot-constrained airport - the very justification for airlines when they were considering purchase of the A380s. So really no surprise here - in fact, this is a perfectly logical route for the A380. Not too long, slot constrained airport at the destination, good mix of corporate and leisure travellers.

A ha! This is where you go wrong: there is nothing logical about some A.netters who think that:

1. Airports that are slot constrained do not exist
2. Japanese airlines will *never* purchase the A380 because they don't need it. Heck, they if they can squeeze 500+ pax in a 777 today they could squeeze 800 in the same 777 tomorrow
3. Air travel is not expanding
4. Asia is just about the size of.. ahem... where is Asia?
5. Why would someone want to fly to Asia, yet alone *from* Asia? Or worse still, *within* Asia?
etc.

I think you get the picture...  Wink


User currently offlineFarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10141 times:



Quoting SINGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
The aircraft is configured in 12 Singapore Airlines Suites, 60 New Business Class and 399 New Economy Class bringing passengers Travel In A New Light.

Singapore Airlines is First To Fly the A380.

The only thing new in this thread is the date of the first SIN-NRT flight.

I find it strange that Singapore_Air is quoting the advertising slogans of Singapore Airlines in his post, and that he need to state on his profile page that he is not employed by SIA?


User currently offlineCeph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10041 times:



Quoting Cell7481 (Reply 20):
This fight actually had a completely full load in F!

When I flew into SYD, the FAs were telling me that the Business is always full. Suites well, there is always someone.
I guess thats the reason why SIA decided to convert the A345s to full business class config as their business class is always full compared to the economy.


25 AirNZ : Why do you find it 'strange' or, indeed, why on earth would you possibly find a problem with it?
26 Post contains images Lightsaber : Thank you. (One has to love the great circle mapper...) There will quite a few runs for the A380 that do not "stretch its legs." Am I the only one wh
27 Ikramerica : Insult people all you want, but with a majority of slots at all their airports, JL/NH are under far less pressure to order the A380 than is a carrier
28 KennyK : Picking up again on the point Carpethead raised, When is the fourth A380 due at SIA?
29 EK413 : Are you complaining? It's been common when introducing a NEW aircraft to the fleet to operate the aircraft to various ports for crew familirising...
30 Post contains images Astuteman : Given the number of c. 8000Nm range aircraft coming onto the market, or due to come in the next few years, this will almost certainly be true for eve
31 Centrair : Will SQ reduce frequency on SIN-NRT? That would certainly open a slot for a new entry like EK or EY (or even US). Does SQ still run a flight to the US
32 Sankaps : Well, given that the new Bangalore Int'l Airport (BIAL) is going to open with just 8 jetways (airbridges) and one runway, I completely agree it will
33 Post contains images Farzan : OK, I should have checked on Singapore_Air more closely before posting. The guy is obviously allowed to promote SIA on A.net. Check his 8000+ posts.
34 Moo : I was being mildly sarcastic, but the ban is mentioned as a negative whenever a potential Japanese A380 purchase comes up, with no mention that actua
35 Scouseflyer : From what I've learnt on here: 9V-SKD - April (well it's got to be before May the 20th) 9V-SKE - June 9V-SKF - July 9V-SKG - December SKD/MSN008 has
36 Jfk777 : Narita is going to be full of A380's coming from places west and south of Japan. In a few years I can see A380 coming from Europe: Air France, British
37 Ikramerica : Do they do that now with the 744? The paradigm is the same, right? keeping them in the air? QF sends A330s to Japan now, not 747s, and in the future,
38 Centrair : AF is increasing capacity on one frequency to an A380 and dropping one frequency all together. LH has also stated it will fly A380s to NRT replacing
39 Ikramerica : So it seems as if AF is contracting service with an A380, not expanding. SQ is expanding, but they use NRT to reach the USA. LH is increasing capacity
40 Singapore_Air : Perhaps. As a tidbit of information, I was surprised to hear all Virgin Atlantic flight attendants showing off the products at the Business Travel Sh
41 Centrair : You are right about no Explosive growth out of Tokyo. The government is just waking up to the fact that NRT is no longer "The Gateway to Asia" and is
42 Post contains images Ikramerica : And again, the picture is very different for JL and NH at NRT than it is for other carriers flying into NRT. Doesn't this depend on whether HND is ope
43 Centrair : Certainly makes you think. The area covered by HND regional flying is as far south as HKG and north to Harbin and West to I think Chongqing (not 100%
44 Ikramerica : This is what I was thinking, in that expanding HND actually opens up new NRT slots as well. I doubt Japan is too keen on giving EK lots of access lik
45 Centrair : The 15 slots are total including NH and JL. You are right though, JL and NH would probably use those slots for new flights instead. Even the Korean a
46 Teme82 : Like Centrair said on post 45 AY and SK. AY would like to do 7 weekly from HEL and same for SK from ARN!
47 Post contains links Orbis : Checked in www.singaporeair.com but it still shows the 747-400 as the operating aircraft on SQ637/638 on the dates mentioned and after. Any change on
48 Centrair : Singapore_Air stated the schedule in reply 3 and according to OAG is SQ638/SQ637 starting May 20th Depart: Singapore Changi Apt Terminal: Terminal 3
49 Post contains images Singapore_Air : There is a discrepency in the GDS at the moment but the seat maps all still refer to the Airbus A380! There is no First Class on the Singapore Airline
50 Astuteman : They're obviously still interested, as they're one of the airlines pressing Airbus hard for more range and/or the A389.. Be interesting to watch what
51 Ikramerica : They do not seem to be that interested in the A388 as delivered to SQ, but that could change.
52 Post contains images Astuteman : I'm guessing th two comments go hand-in-hand. I suspect this will become a growing problem for Airbus with the current bird, as it so obviously has s
53 Scouseflyer : They don't appear to be taking A346s anymore either - delivery on these was also deferred last year. When I first joined A net many people seemed to
54 Farzan : So there is only the 12 suites, and "the new business" class?
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