Moo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4482 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12965 times:
I thought, according to A.net lore, that Japanese airports had banned anything with more than two engines? At least, thats the reason given on here every time the prospect of a Japanese A380 customer comes up - the airports won't allow it.
Albird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12699 times:
Quoting Moo (Reply 4): I thought, according to A.net lore, that Japanese airports had banned anything with more than two engines? At least, thats the reason given on here every time the prospect of a Japanese A380 customer comes up - the airports won't allow it.
Only certain airports have been banned i think HND atm is the only one with this ban in effect. I beleive that if they did this full airport 4 engine ban, you would find a lot of airlines just stop serving Japan! I also beleive that this ban was inteded for domestic flights only.
SparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12481 times:
This is a symbolic move by SIA, designed to flaunt off the A380 as a benchmark of Singapore's wealth, power, and prestige, right in the backyard of Tokyo at NRT. It's probably also a publicity stunt to attract more Japanese tourists and other jet-setters to Singapore, or at least to change planes at Singapore Changi Airport.
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BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3992 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12455 times:
Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 9): This is a symbolic move by SIA, designed to flaunt off the A380 as a benchmark of Singapore's wealth, power, and prestige, right in the backyard of Tokyo at NRT. It's probably also a publicity stunt to attract more Japanese tourists and other jet-setters to Singapore, or at least to change planes at Singapore Changi Airport.
It will also allow for increased utilisation of the A380, as more of them are delivered to SIN. The 380 is a very expensive plane to keep on the ground. Im sure the 77W does lots of regional routes too, justl like the 345 does some, and the 744. Its just brought to our attenton because the 380 is so new.
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Aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12403 times:
I am very surprised that many questioned the use of the A380 on the SIN-NRT route. It has been said many times by SIA officials that NRT will be the third destination for the A380 after SYD and LHR. Like LHR, NRT is a slot-constrained airport - the very justification for airlines when they were considering purchase of the A380s. So really no surprise here - in fact, this is a perfectly logical route for the A380. Not too long, slot constrained airport at the destination, good mix of corporate and leisure travellers.
Just in case anyone else is going to be surprised, the next destinations for the SIA A380s will be HKG and SFO.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8982 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12382 times:
Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 8): I'm a little suprised by this announcement. I mean the flight's are probably packed, but it seems like a short route distance wise for the A380.
It's not that much shorter than SYD. With 4 A380's in the fleet, there will be plenty of room for a daily rotation to NRT.
SIN-LHR = 2 A380's
SIN-SYD = 1 A380
SIN-NRT = 1 A380
IIRC, NRT was always planned to be the 3rd A380 destination after SYD and LHR.
Ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1838 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12139 times:
Quoting Albird87 (Reply 6): Only certain airports have been banned i think HND atm is the only one with this ban in effect
Just so everyone knows clearly. Its only Osaka Itami (ITM) that has this ban in place. The Japanese airlines pack 525 pax on a 773 domestically configured for Japan. So they thought that it could be a direct replacement. ITM has always had problems with being too close to the city. The approach course goes over downtown and there are so many airports in ITM. The departure also forces them to fly over ITM and onto Maiko 5 departures, or Nara reversal one departures.
If they banned it in HND, it would create chaos. JL and NH used a lot of B744D for HND-CTS, HND-OKA and so on.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21732 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12030 times:
I would imagine SIN-NRT is going to be a precursor to SIN-NRT-LAX once more A380s arrive, the same way they started with SIN-SYD in anticipation of SYD-SIN-LHR. I know many have said they expect SIN-HKG-SFO to come first, but I've always had a hunch it would be LAX first. We'll see I guess.
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Cell7481 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11449 times:
From my very limited experience, this makes since for SQ. When I took an F award from LAX-SIN in Oct for the A380 auction I won, the SIN-NRT segment on the way back was the only flight that had more than 7 seats taken in F. This fight actually had a completely full load in F!
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10841 times:
Then I guess the fourth A380 will be delivered by mid-May.
Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 18): And sure thing it will apply pressure on JAL and ANA.
Pressure to JL sure, but why NH? They are in Star Alliance and codeshare respectively.
NH doesn't even have first class on any of its Asian routes and their business-class seats aren't those that are found on long-haul flights to Europe or US.
Ncelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10711 times:
Quoting Aviasian (Reply 11): I am very surprised that many questioned the use of the A380 on the SIN-NRT route. It has been said many times by SIA officials that NRT will be the third destination for the A380 after SYD and LHR. Like LHR, NRT is a slot-constrained airport - the very justification for airlines when they were considering purchase of the A380s. So really no surprise here - in fact, this is a perfectly logical route for the A380. Not too long, slot constrained airport at the destination, good mix of corporate and leisure travellers.
A ha! This is where you go wrong: there is nothing logical about some A.netters who think that:
1. Airports that are slot constrained do not exist
2. Japanese airlines will *never* purchase the A380 because they don't need it. Heck, they if they can squeeze 500+ pax in a 777 today they could squeeze 800 in the same 777 tomorrow
3. Air travel is not expanding
4. Asia is just about the size of.. ahem... where is Asia?
5. Why would someone want to fly to Asia, yet alone *from* Asia? Or worse still, *within* Asia?
Ceph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10560 times:
Quoting Cell7481 (Reply 20): This fight actually had a completely full load in F!
When I flew into SYD, the FAs were telling me that the Business is always full. Suites well, there is always someone.
I guess thats the reason why SIA decided to convert the A345s to full business class config as their business class is always full compared to the economy.
: Why do you find it 'strange' or, indeed, why on earth would you possibly find a problem with it?
: Thank you. (One has to love the great circle mapper...) There will quite a few runs for the A380 that do not "stretch its legs." Am I the only one wh
: Insult people all you want, but with a majority of slots at all their airports, JL/NH are under far less pressure to order the A380 than is a carrier
: Picking up again on the point Carpethead raised, When is the fourth A380 due at SIA?
: Are you complaining? It's been common when introducing a NEW aircraft to the fleet to operate the aircraft to various ports for crew familirising...
: Given the number of c. 8000Nm range aircraft coming onto the market, or due to come in the next few years, this will almost certainly be true for eve
: Will SQ reduce frequency on SIN-NRT? That would certainly open a slot for a new entry like EK or EY (or even US). Does SQ still run a flight to the US
: Well, given that the new Bangalore Int'l Airport (BIAL) is going to open with just 8 jetways (airbridges) and one runway, I completely agree it will
: OK, I should have checked on Singapore_Air more closely before posting. The guy is obviously allowed to promote SIA on A.net. Check his 8000+ posts.
: I was being mildly sarcastic, but the ban is mentioned as a negative whenever a potential Japanese A380 purchase comes up, with no mention that actua
: From what I've learnt on here: 9V-SKD - April (well it's got to be before May the 20th) 9V-SKE - June 9V-SKF - July 9V-SKG - December SKD/MSN008 has
: Narita is going to be full of A380's coming from places west and south of Japan. In a few years I can see A380 coming from Europe: Air France, British
: Do they do that now with the 744? The paradigm is the same, right? keeping them in the air? QF sends A330s to Japan now, not 747s, and in the future,
: AF is increasing capacity on one frequency to an A380 and dropping one frequency all together. LH has also stated it will fly A380s to NRT replacing
: So it seems as if AF is contracting service with an A380, not expanding. SQ is expanding, but they use NRT to reach the USA. LH is increasing capacity
: Perhaps. As a tidbit of information, I was surprised to hear all Virgin Atlantic flight attendants showing off the products at the Business Travel Sh
: You are right about no Explosive growth out of Tokyo. The government is just waking up to the fact that NRT is no longer "The Gateway to Asia" and is
: And again, the picture is very different for JL and NH at NRT than it is for other carriers flying into NRT. Doesn't this depend on whether HND is ope
: Certainly makes you think. The area covered by HND regional flying is as far south as HKG and north to Harbin and West to I think Chongqing (not 100%
: This is what I was thinking, in that expanding HND actually opens up new NRT slots as well. I doubt Japan is too keen on giving EK lots of access lik
: The 15 slots are total including NH and JL. You are right though, JL and NH would probably use those slots for new flights instead. Even the Korean a
: Like Centrair said on post 45 AY and SK. AY would like to do 7 weekly from HEL and same for SK from ARN!
: Checked in www.singaporeair.com but it still shows the 747-400 as the operating aircraft on SQ637/638 on the dates mentioned and after. Any change on
: Singapore_Air stated the schedule in reply 3 and according to OAG is SQ638/SQ637 starting May 20th Depart: Singapore Changi Apt Terminal: Terminal 3
: There is a discrepency in the GDS at the moment but the seat maps all still refer to the Airbus A380! There is no First Class on the Singapore Airline
: They're obviously still interested, as they're one of the airlines pressing Airbus hard for more range and/or the A389.. Be interesting to watch what
: They do not seem to be that interested in the A388 as delivered to SQ, but that could change.
: I'm guessing th two comments go hand-in-hand. I suspect this will become a growing problem for Airbus with the current bird, as it so obviously has s
: They don't appear to be taking A346s anymore either - delivery on these was also deferred last year. When I first joined A net many people seemed to
: So there is only the 12 suites, and "the new business" class?