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LH Emergency Landing At CRL!  
User currently offlineAirtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1558 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

From the information website www.7sur7.be

Complete link to the article : http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1502/Belg...-pose-en-urgence-a-Charleroi.dhtml

Sorry, the article is in french...

The incident happened around 0800 this morning when one of the engines caught fire during a CGN-CDG flight. The pilot asked for an emergency landing in CRL (FR base in Belgium) and passengers were evacuated by the front door. No injuries were reported, the report says that one of the passengers was shocked...

Glad to hear everything is ok, congratulations to the LH crew for their job !!


Life is short : eat dessert first !
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User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12403 times:

German news channels are reporting 3 injured passengers, out of 35 on board.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12374 times:

Translation from French:
Aircraft with an engine on fire does an emergency landing at Charleroi, Belgium.
An aircraft from Lufthansa airline doing the Koln-CDG route had to land in emergency at about 8 o'clock this Wednesday morning at the Charleroi-Brussels airport South. There was nobody injured.
http://www.7sur7.be/



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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12363 times:

Quoting LH498 (Reply 1):
German news channels are reporting 3 injured passengers, out of 35 on board.

confirmed by LH. 3 injured during evac.

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,540947,00.html

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Aircraft with an engine on fire

Engine was NOT on fire, according to LH, only false warning. As mentioned in the other thread, it was actually LH-Regional, but for joe public this in uninteresting, for them everything is LH.

[Edited 2008-03-12 03:15:29]

User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12349 times:

Apparently, systems reported "engine on fire", so the crew shut it down and decided to divert.
But it looks as if the engine was not on fire.

3 minor injuries happened during evacuation of the a/c via emergency slides.


User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12188 times:



Quoting ZakHH (Reply 4):
3 minor injuries happened during evacuation of the a/c via emergency slides.

An CRJ 200 has emergency slides?

Irony mode on.
Shouldn't we talk about how old the f/o was, what sex, and who was in command and did someone of the crew had traumatic experience during fligth school?
Irony mode off.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9033 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12149 times:
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Oh man, not a good time for LH at the moment  Sad

BUT, thank god, again nothing serious happened to the passenger and crew....

Quoting Caspritz78 (Reply 5):

Irony mode on.
Shouldn't we talk about how old the f/o was, what sex, and who was in command and did someone of the crew had traumatic experience during fligth school?
Irony mode off.

Just wait a few hours, then those speculation will start FOR SURE!!

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User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12094 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 6):
Just wait a few hours, then those speculation will start FOR SURE!!

Oh yes the speculation.
Let's see what gets said about this incident !  bomb 


User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12065 times:

Quoting Caspritz78 (Reply 5):
An CRJ 200 has emergency slides?

Nope, but there is a thing called "medical secret"...so as soon as someone seeks medical help after such an incident (e. g. "shock") etc. it is counted as "injured".

One of the members of airliners.de includes "umgeknickt" during the evac. as one of the possible reasons as well.

[Edited 2008-03-12 04:06:19]

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9033 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12043 times:
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Quoting A390 (Reply 7):

Oh yes the speculation.
Let's see what gets said about this incident ! bomb

And i am sure we will here A LOT of speculation!!! Oh and about 200 different opinions about LH and of course LH flight training and maintenance etc etc...  box 

Sorry for being sarcastig, but its annoying...  faint 

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User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12011 times:



Quoting Caspritz78 (Reply 5):
An CRJ 200 has emergency slides?

D'oh!  banghead  Self-ownage at it's finest. Repeating press reports with brain in idle mode...  ashamed 

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 9):
Oh and about 200 different opinions about LH and of course LH flight training and maintenance etc etc...

You do receive flight training?  Wink

Seriously, I don't think we will hear too much of this (but not saying we won't hear anything either). The diversion was apparently a precaution measure. Such things happen almost daily, all over the globe.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9033 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11987 times:
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Quoting ZakHH (Reply 10):
You do receive flight training? Wink

Me? no... Big grin

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 10):
Such things happen almost daily, all over the globe.

Yeah, but nowadays everything will be on the news (and a.net)! And on the news and BILD zeitung its always catastrophic! Like the turbulence which the A343 got hit by! BILD: "LH Airbus stürzte in ein luftloch!" Translation: "LH Airbus crashed into a hole of air!" Doesnt make too much sense to me....

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User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11908 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):
Doesnt make too much sense to me....

In all seriousness: since when would Bild articles make sense?

I can only repeat myself: follow carefully what press is writing about such incidents. Not only Bild, also "respectable" media. Compare that to your background knowledge of the topic in question. And then keep the disceprancies in mind, whenever you read or watch reports about other topics, where you are not an expert yourself.

Because the quality of media coverage is pretty much the same, no matter what it is about. You just notice how lousy it is when it comes to aviation, because you know very much about that.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11896 times:

Wow, the last two weeks have not been very good for LH. Hopefully they will be back with some more good news soon. Like a big 787/A350 order  Smile


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User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11731 times:

Picture of the aircraft here :



Engines do not seem too damaged... Aircraft was towed to terminal. Disruption to normal CRL traffic was minimal.

Regards
BrusselsSouth

[Edited 2008-03-12 05:21:58]

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9033 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11691 times:
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Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 14):

Engines do not seem too damaged... Aircraft was towed to terminal. Disruption to normal CRL traffic was minimal.

Regards
BrusselsSouth

Thanks for the pic and the information!

Nothing serious...

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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11675 times:

Once again, the money put forth in training at LH is proven to be a huge help. This airline could have had 2 very bad crashes in the last 2 weeks. (Yes, I know this was a warning light) but still they did everything be the book.
Way to go LH crews. Makes me glad I will be flying with you all on August 14 and August 24.

Chuck


User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11651 times:



Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 14):
Disruption to normal CRL traffic was minimal.

Ryanair ? Big grin


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11633 times:

Two injured and one shocked.

C'mon... shocked... the engine wasn't even on fire !! If the "shocked" passenger was on the seat next to me in that flight I'd have slapped him in the face. I can picture the scene : "STOP WHINING !! "slap" ".

Only a false alarm apparently.

Can any pilot in here tell us if this happens frequently and if so, what do you actually do ?



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9033 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11583 times:
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Quoting AF1624 (Reply 18):
I can picture the scene : "STOP WHINING !! "slap" ".

Sounds like you have seen the movie "AIRPLANE" too often  bigthumbsup   duck 

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 18):
Can any pilot in here tell us if this happens frequently and if so, what do you actually do ?

I havent had that in real life yet, but in the simulator of course! From what I heard: high EGT, so you reduce the thrust and check if the EGT reduces. If it is still above limit: engine shutdown, if below max EGT, then leave the engine at idle thrust and observe if its increasing again or decreasing further. So maybe you COULD use the engine later on again. But I guess in most cases it leads to an Engine shutdown in flight...

So, nothing serious here...

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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11554 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 19):
So, nothing serious here...

Yeah, but you have three big ones....your poor colleagues at LH Regional only had two small CRJ-200 Engines.  Wink


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9033 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11556 times:
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Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 20):
Yeah, but you have three big ones....your poor colleagues at LH Regional only had two small CRJ-200 Engines. Wink

Procedure was pretty much the same on the B737! And it has only 2 engines as well! And they arent round, they are eggshaped Big grin Big grin

Even on 2 engines, you should land at the nearest suitable airport while I can continue on the MD11F as long as we want to! But in the CRJ or any other twin jet: pick a suitable airport and land!  Wink

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It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11494 times:

Correction (sorry for the mistake) : the aircraft was not towed to the terminal, it was taxied there on its own power, after the evacuation.

Standard precautionary landing, no big deal, really.

Was LH4284 CGN-CDG.

Regards,
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11498 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 16):
..... but still they did everything be the book.

see  

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 21):
Procedure was pretty much the same on the B737! And it has only 2 engines as well!



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 21):
But in the CRJ or any other twin jet: pick a suitable airport and land!   


confirmed by a real pilot (Phil) not an armchair one..... Smile

[Edited 2008-03-12 05:57:39]

User currently offlineCptRegionalJet From Germany, joined Oct 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11410 times:



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 18):
Can any pilot in here tell us if this happens frequently and if so, what do you actually do ?

Hi,
thank god it does not happen every day.If so we would have 2 emergency landings every day...  Wow!
CRJ's warning systems are sometimes a pain in the a...You get false warnings from time to time.
I'm sure they had some kinde of master warning("Jetpipe Overheat"comes to my mind when reading the newspaper's comments),hence the enroute diversion.Flaps look to be at 20 degrees so it could have been a single engine or one engine idle landing.But thats all speculation on my part.
But better safe than sorry,thats all that counts.
These -200 are really getting old and are high on cycles,I'm glad when the last one has left the fleet Big grin  Big grin  Big grin

Grüsse
CptRegionalJet


25 Post contains images WILCO737 : I cannot agree more on that Thanks for the info here! Grüsse as well WILCO737 (MD11F)
26 Post contains images Fiatstilojtd : Now the question that remains is....will LH (regional) get the same "reduced" landing/handling fees like FR at Charleroi  [Edited 2008-03-12 06:22:10
27 PHKLM : Are they being replaced at the moment? I flew D-ACHC last month and it indeed looked very tired. Paint was missing all over the place on the outside
28 Fiatstilojtd : As far as I know the CRJ-200 Concept was planned as a Private Jet but then adopted to a 50 seater due to the rising demand back then.[Edited 2008-03-
29 Post contains images CptRegionalJet : Indeed they are.It's more or less a rollover with the -900 series. Funny,I flew -HC last sunday and it was fresh out of the paintshop.But you are rig
30 Post contains images WILCO737 : Everything has advantages and disadvantages... I used to work as a ramp rat at FRA airport and I the CRJs were my "babys". And the CRJ 100/200 were h
31 Post contains images CptRegionalJet : I hear you You bet! Were you with Acciona?
32 Post contains images Fiatstilojtd : HEAVY/STRONG "Tongue in cheek" here !!! no offense please
33 Post contains images WILCO737 : Yes... So I guess we might have worked together So true, so true WILCO737 (MD11F)
34 Post contains images CptRegionalJet : I guess so. . In the meantime were back with FRAPORT/standard LH handling.
35 Post contains images WILCO737 : Yeah, I saw that once I flew dead with you guys! And I was wondering about that... but I guess its better now WILCO737 (MD11F)
36 Post contains images CptRegionalJet : ...nah,not really
37 Post contains images WILCO737 : I was expecting such an answer WILCO737 (MD11F)
38 Post contains links Fiatstilojtd : Ask Bild and you will receive Headline in the Flash Player on the Front Page: "New Lufthansa Shock-Emergency Landing in Belgium" http://www.bild.de/B
39 Post contains images WILCO737 : OH NO.... I think I need to send a letter to BILD and tell them: CHECK YOUR INFORMATION and do PROPER news!!! WILCO737 (MD11F)
40 Fiatstilojtd : I onced used the option "correction E-Mail" and informed them that Linz is not the Capital of Niederösterreich, but Oberösterreich....they never ch
41 NCB : Anyone know why they opted for CRL instead of BRU? LH has LH technics at BRU and the pax could have taken the Thalys/TGV to Paris from Brussels statio
42 Post contains images WILCO737 : In such a case: captain! Time critical because it can lead to a fire on board! Its done on short notice and then you pick the NEXT suitable airport.
43 Post contains images Haggis79 : just out of curiosity, if they had flown to BRU instead of CRL, would you have blamed then for taking unnecessary risks and not diverting to the abso
44 Post contains images WILCO737 : I guess so! You can never do it correct WILCO737 (MD11F)
45 PlaneInsomniac : Not a good half month for LH. First the infamous near barrel-roll by the A320 in HAM. Then the A340 in heavy turbulence with injuries when landing at
46 NCB : Funny comment. How would I have known that CRL was the closest if LH had diverted to BRU? If asked, Lufthansa would have said to the press that BRU w
47 Post contains images SKAirbus : I'm glad everyone got out safetly!! But it is sods law really... Airlines seem to suffer a number of incidents close to eachother, rather than apart.
48 Post contains images ZKEOJ : eggs-actly! And me too is very happy being back on good old LH both on long hauls (SIN-FRA/MUC-SFO) and short hauls (FRA-LHR-MUC) next month LH never
49 JMULAH : LH-Regional still LH no matter what, it carries the name an that's what it really counts
50 BrusselsSouth : Hi NCB, It is possible (speculation here, not facts) that the flight crew was not sure whether the failed engine was on fire or not, given the "false
51 CptRegionalJet : Right,but with an engine fire warning I would consider my options rather quickly and land asap. Emergency checklist also calls for an immediate landi
52 Bennett123 : First priority must be safety, go for closest suitable airfield. You can sort out travel arrangements later, (coach to BRU or taxis) these things can
53 Post contains links and images Fiatstilojtd : As I have already mentioned in the other thread, to complete that list, there was another incident last week in Tel Aviv http://www.20min.ch/news/kre
54 MD11Engineer : In flight, all the crew knew that there was a fire warning. For them it means that there IS a fire, they assume the worst case scenario, as a result
55 Post contains images Airtrainer : Tolerance at its best Some people don't fly often and/or are just scared by the idea of flying, like you (and other A.net members including me) are p
56 NCB : CRJ engines don't have fire suppression systems?
57 Pihero : A quick look at a map would have answered that question Then the anti-german innuendo (Germans are not really truthful / honest....are they ? ) For t
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