Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3813 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12562 times:
For as long as I can remember, USAirways at LAS with regard to whether it is a hub, or even a serious focus city, has been a question of "are you in or are you out?" Seems they have dabbled endlessly with the level of their presence at LAS. After years of indecision, perhaps they have finally decided they're "out" as far as LAS being a hub or major focus city and are adjusting their flight schedule accordingly.
SirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12466 times:
All the flights they concede will just be picked up by WN. Next year the bridge between A/B and C concourses should open up and eliminate the shuttle ride between A/B and C. I believe they're also realigning some gate areas near the bridge to add an additional gate or two to the C concourse. I think they're also building a new security checkpoint for C to eliminate the Sunday security lines that stretch to infinity.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 13500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12472 times:
I was in LAS this past weekend - and one thing that I did not expect was all the Allegiant MD80s zipping around the ramp. Wow. I knew G4 was big in LAS - plus Orlando, St. Pete, Mesa, etc. - but because most of their flights in and out of LAS are less than daily, I didn't expect to see quite so much Allegiant activity. There were tons of those MD80s going off to all sorts of places - quite impressive, actually, considering that most of the cities Allegiant serves are rather small.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 6104 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12282 times:
Seems to me the LAS-situation is similar to the PIT problem: unnecessary duplication of US hub/focus stations rather close to each other. We know what has happened to PIT; looks like the same is finally being acknowledged and taking place out west.
WN is certainly the big enchilada at McCarran and US has decided to surrender to them; they have another full-time on-going battle with the Canyon Blue down in PHX. I would also expect to see WN increase flights at Vegas to pick up some of the slack that might develop.
As a side-effect of this action, let's hope we will see some additional p-2-p routes materialize with the freed-up a/c from LAS when the dust settles at US.
FUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11991 times:
Dually noted: I was suprised at the US cut in service for LAS>SEA until I booked my prime 6PM flight on AS for $88 one way. LAS is a market that has strong demand, but lower yeilds. Maybe some a.netter can share avg RASM ex-PHX vs. ex-LAS. Realizing it's just one route point, but I fly to both quite often and find PHX (shorter flight by 100 miles) to be consistently $40-50 more RT than LAS.
As for US, I also notice that many cities get a daytime PHX run and a red-eye LAS run going East. Trend? Seems similar to SEA.
Congaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11955 times:
Interesting that the poster uses the word "trouble"...I would say as US evolves, as others have said, the notion of two hubs being very close is probably not optimizing routes/aircraft. I think it is a logical and intelligent move, seeing that WN is hard to compete with, LAS is primarily and O & D market (so de-HUB), and aircraft used elsewhere (like Caribbean/Latin America/Mexico) get better yields. Let's not forget about the economy and where the demand will be in the next 2-3 years.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11901 times:
One main thing is the stiff competition on flights to LAS, especially in the west. Some good examples are DEN-LAS, LAX-LAS and SFO-LAS. There are multiple airlines flying these routes.
I was just reading about how the overall gaming revenues for Nevada (Including Las Vegas) were down nearly 5% for the month of January, meanwhile the gaming revenues in Atlantic City were up 10% for the same month. What should be really interesting is when the February numbers for Las Vegas come out, especially in the wake of the hit the sportsbooks took on the Super Bowl. The drop in Nevada is said to be due to the ongoing economic uncertainty. What this probably means is that folks who typically flew to Las Vegas to go gamble are now sticking closer to home and going to places like A.C. For US, this could be a good thing, as many folks that fly in order to go to A.C. fly into PHL, as service into ACY is limited to a handful of Southern cities served by NK (MYR, MCO, TPA, FLL, RSW, and PBI) and DL (By way of EV service from ATL).
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7907 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11844 times:
Some numbers on what the LAS operation has looked like over the years would be useful. My foggy recollection has been that much of HP's service up to the merger had been more strongly biased to the late night operation. With only major regional cities seeing a significant number of daytime frequencies.
Honestly like the other posters I am not too shocked here. Too close to a larger hub at PHX, and while it is a high demand market yields are weaker. In an environment of higher fuel costs this is further complicated. I am not sure how radical the pull down might be, maybe not as extreme as at PIT. Ideally US should redeploy the aircraft to some of its more congested operations to replace flights operated by the 50 seat RJs.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 7516 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11805 times:
Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 9): According to the US schedule, MIA is still a daily redeye. PBI has been cut it seems.
I think he's referring to the fact that LAS-MIA appears to end around April 5.
Quoting A330323X (Reply 2): US's ASMs at LAS are down 27% year-over-year, which is an insanely huge number.
I don't think it's terribly surprising, though, given that competing with WN at LAS in a time of $100/bbl oil is probably a losing proposition. I'd be more surprised if the night hub weren't bleeding a lot of money right now given fuel prices.
Phxmkeflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11381 times:
Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 20): Eh US isn't done changing. Rolling out the new co-HQ in PHL and other changes...this airline will looking nothing like it does today in about 5 years.
Whoa...US HQ is moving from PHX to PHL?!?! Can anyone confirm this for me? I knew about their SOC/OCC ops being based in PIT but have never heard anything about their HQ moving to PHL. I must say that if this is true I am quite surprised they would pick PHL over PHX. Currently their HQ is on PRIME real estate in Tempe, PHX is growing much faster than PHL, and quite frankly the climate/desirablity of living in PHX outweighs that in PHL.
Mkirch72 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11327 times:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17): What this probably means is that folks who typically flew to Las Vegas to go gamble are now sticking closer to home and going to places like A.C. For US, this could be a good thing, as many folks that fly in order to go to A.C. fly into PHL, as service into ACY is limited to a handful of Southern cities served by NK (MYR, MCO, TPA, FLL, RSW, and PBI) and DL (By way of EV service from ATL).
Funny you should say this ---- I keep an eye on the arrivals and departures out of St. Pete/Clearwater (PIE) right across the bay from TPA and I've noticed Pace Airlines flights to Atlantic City from PIE over the last several weeks. I'm assuming they were charters.
In fact, Pace Airlines flight #322 is scheduled to leave from PIE to ACY at 11:00am tomorrow morning. Anyone have any info on these flights?