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Aeroflot - Western Equipment Cop-out?  
User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6329 times:
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Hi all,

I have noticed a few comments on the site and heard a few comments at airports about passengers flying with Aeroflot and suddenly being faced with an equipment change from a western built airliner to a soviet built aircraft.

Call me cynical but could this be a marketing ploy on Aeroflot's part to encourage western clients by listing western equipment with the intention of 'swapping' it in with a Illusion or tupolev at short notice?

Their website lists the equipment type so when a western passenger sees 'Airbus A320' or 'boeing 777' then this may make them more comfortable in terms of perceived levels of safety and comfort, thus more likely to book?

SandyB123


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User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

On domestic routes it may probably happen. Though I have never heard of such "surprises".
On international routes it's out of question.

I assume there might be misunderstandings though.
For example SU has (probably had - needs check on it) 2 daily flights to Madrid: the morning flight is on TU-154M, the evening flight - on A320.

Well. Aeroflot is doing pretty good in terms of revenue and profit.
It is changing for better.

Their main achievment: the majority of Russians switched from foreign companies back to Aeroflot.
It relates also to business class - which is important.


User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

Substitutions do happen once in a while on international routes. Seen it on SVO-PRG.
Mostly A320<->Tu-154 and 767<->IL96.

I do not believe it is a conspiracy though. Aircrafts do go mechanical and get stuck because of weather. Last month I was "encouraged" to fly A320 by USAir and shoved into CRJ on a short notice.
Aeroflot is very open about the equipment they use, you can even look up the reg of a plane flying particular route. Can't think of any other airline providing this info.


Swapping 767 with an "Illusion" however would be completely unfair.  Silly



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6139 times:

Swapping a Western aircraft in favor of a Russian plane would be a welcome surprise for me.


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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6106 times:
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Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 2):
Swapping 767 with an "Illusion" however would be completely unfair.

Hahahahahahha Yes it would, my error!

Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 1):
Though I have never heard of such "surprises".
On international routes it's out of question.

I noticed on the site this comment about a swap on an international route "This flight from Beijing to Moscow was planed with a B777, but instead we got this IL-96" on this image.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6095 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 4):
but instead we got this IL-96" on this image.

Not a bad looking interior. Look at the headroom! I'd like to fly on it at least once.


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5965 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Thread starter):
Call me cynical but could this be a marketing ploy on Aeroflot's part to encourage western clients by listing western equipment with the intention of 'swapping' it in with a Illusion or tupolev at short notice?

I made a lot of flights on Aeroflot in my lifetime, and only two of those flights saw an equipment change: One from a 734 to an IL62, and one from an IL96 to an IL86. The first was due to tech problems, the second I don't know.

I've also seen a lot of Aeroflot birds land at ARN during the past five years, and the only equipment swap I can remember was from an A319 to an A320.

Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 1):
Aeroflot is doing pretty good in terms of revenue and profit.

Not surprising, since they get around 300 million euros a year from European airlines that overfly Russia on the way to the Far East.

Quoting Rbgso (Reply 5):
Not a bad looking interior. Look at the headroom! I'd like to fly on it at least once.

I made 11 flights on their IL96s, and although the headroom is superb, there's less space in the overhead lockers on the side than in a DC9, so you will end up with much cabin baggage stealing your leg room. And although the planes were produced in the mid 90s, I had a feeling that I was flying with a plane from the 70s, like the DC10.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

I'm not convinced many passengers would have a clue. I've heard jokes about the aircraft being made in Siberia from potato skins by disgruntled political prisoners even when the aircraft was a new western type.  sarcastic   biggrin 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Swapping a Western aircraft in favor of a Russian plane would be a welcome surprise for me.

Ditto.  Smile


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5829 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Swapping a Western aircraft in favor of a Russian plane would be a welcome surprise for me.

Me too, but if I ever fly Aeroflot I would make it a point to fly an Ilyushin or a Tupolev to start with, and I would rather fly a 777 I was expecting than a Il-96 I wasn't. But that's me. Btw, how many 777s does Aeroflot have?



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User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

I doubt many of the Soviet built airliners will be as economical for a comparitave sized Western airline. So I guess they would prefer to fly the Western built planes (mainly Airbus - as North American routes are operated by the 767, and the Soviet built planes seldom operate to the US), as they make more money.

User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5788 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 8):
Btw, how many 777s does Aeroflot have?

Aeroflot does not have any 777's, in fact, they got rid of them over 5 years ago. They had only two in their fleet, and it was difficult to maintain them because of their limited number, and so they got rid of them.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5742 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 8):
Me too, but if I ever fly Aeroflot I would make it a point to fly an Ilyushin or a Tupolev to start with

That is what I did for my Bangkok-Moscow-Istanbul flight two years ago.
I flew on the IL-96 and the TU-154. I bought my ticket 3 months in advance and was a bit concerned about a last minute eqipment sub at the last minute. Luckily that never happend.
On one of my recent trips to Bangkok, I saw an Aeroflot 767.
I was so glad that equipment sub didn't happen to me. I would have been pissed!
I can fly on a 767 anytime.

Quoting RedChili (Reply 6):
there's less space in the overhead lockers on the side than in a DC9,

Are you sure about that?
I did my entire trip around the world with two carry on bags that were almost bursting at the seems and had no problems putting my bags in the overhead bins.

Quoting RedChili (Reply 6):
I had a feeling that I was flying with a plane from the 70s, like the DC10.

You must had one with a nice interior. The flight I was on was more like a Greyhound bus.
However the noise from the engine sounded the same as a 777. I sat 2nd. to the last row.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

Remember, when you buy a ticket on an airline, you are purchasing transportation from point A to point B. Nothing else is guaranteed.

However, no airline really wants to do a last minute equipment swap - and Aeroflot would be the LEAST likely to want it. The answer lies in two words - spare parts.

Let's say that Aeroflot inaugurates a new route, for example, SVO-SAN (I know, unlikely, but work with me on this one). If Aeroflot is going to fly this route, they will need to have some spare parts available at SAN in case work needs to be done on the plane.

If they fly a 767, chances are very likely that they could at least borrow parts if needed if they didn't keep it in stock. However, substitute an IL-96 (what a sight that would be, huh?), and if it goes tech over some small part, SAN isn't likely to have a replacement available.



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5681 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Are you sure about that?
I did my entire trip around the world with two carry on bags that were almost bursting at the seems and had no problems putting my bags in the overhead bins.

I'm pretty sure about it, although I normally travel with realtively little cabin baggage.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
You must had one with a nice interior.

I've actually been on four of Aeroflot's six IL96s, RA-96005, 007, 010 and 011. IIRC, 96010 was the nicest, and 96007 was the worst.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5646 times:



Quoting RedChili (Reply 13):
I've actually been on four of Aeroflot's six IL96s, RA-96005, 007, 010 and 011. IIRC, 96010 was the nicest, and 96007 was the worst.

I was on RA-96011.
It had old abandoned IL-86 seats. The plane couldn't have been more than 10 years old but the interior was well over 20 years old. It was in a 3 class lay out at the time.
There is a recent photo in the database with the new interior for that plane and it has been converted in to an all 1 class layout.

I talk more about that flight in this trip report.
Superfly Completes Trip Around The World (by Superfly Jul 10 2006 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

I'd book Aeroflot for the express reason of getting to fly on a Russian airliner! Give me an IL-96 or TU-154 anytime over a 767 or A320, you can fly one of those anytime, anywhere but I suspect the days of revenue service or the older Russian types are limited, as are their numbers. I have only ever been on board an AN-124 on the ground so I'd love to add a few more truely Russian experiences to my book!

User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5498 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
There is a recent photo in the database with the new interior for that plane and it has been converted in to an all 1 class layout.

I think in the comment to this photo
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sam Chui

Sam Chui meant that there is only one economy cabin (as opposed to several separated by partitions/galleys on, say 747) He did not say that Economy was the only one. AFAIK all SU planes have business class.



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User currently offlinePanAm1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

It happened to me on MUC to SVO. I was supposed to fly an A-320. Instead I flew in a TU-154. I loved it! I flew the A-320 on the way back. It was nice... but not as adventurous. Are you kidding me? Why would you pass up a chance to fly a Russian air craft? Come on! You don't go to Russia to eat an McDonalds. You go to experience Russia. Make sure you fly a Russian plane on at least one leg. Besides... you never know how long you'll be able to...  Sad

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5414 times:



Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 16):
Sam Chui meant that there is only one economy cabin (as opposed to several separated by partitions/galleys on, say 747) He did not say that Economy was the only one. AFAIK all SU planes have business class.

Thanks for the clarification.
Even when it was a 3 class layout, there was no floor to ceiling partiion between business and coach.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

A friend of mine flew from LHR - SVO a few years ago. He is very scared of flying and only bought the Aeroflot ticket because the aircraft listed was an A310.. It was also the cheapest option.

On the day he flew, the aircraft was changed to a TU154, which meant a lot of passengers had to be bumped off. Unfortunately because he was so early for check in he didn't have the opportunity! Then ironically the aircraft went tech somewhere over the baltic states... The poor guy was petrified!!

Anyway when will SU get rid of their TU154s??



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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3458 times:



Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 10):

Aeroflot does not have any 777's, in fact, they got rid of them over 5 years ago. They had only two in their fleet, and it was difficult to maintain them because of their limited number, and so they got rid of them.

Thanks for the info Hjulicher. I actually never knew that.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2993 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3118 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 19):
Anyway when will SU get rid of their TU154s??

Not for a while. They are an important part of the fleet. The aircraft is great, I would even call it the flagship of Russian Civil Aviation. People love it, hands down. I'm no exception. Great, reliable bird.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3088 times:



Quoting RedChili (Reply 6):
Not surprising, since they get around 300 million euros a year from European airlines that overfly Russia on the way to the Far East

To be fair Aeroflot doesn't get anything from those fees.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3077 times:



Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 2):
Aircrafts do go mechanical and get stuck because of weather. Last month I was "encouraged" to fly A320 by USAir and shoved into CRJ on a short notice.

Hell of an aircraft change. I'd love to hear the details of that.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3060 times:



Quoting RedChili (Reply 6):
I made a lot of flights on Aeroflot in my lifetime, and only two of those flights saw an equipment change: One from a 734 to an IL62, and one from an IL96 to an IL86.

Aeroflot change aircraft all the time... my last flight (SVO PRG) was changed from an A320 to an A321 - I was devistated. I flew the Tu154 twice, and its a great experience. Aeroflot are a super airline, with great onboard service. Once their new terminal opens it will be even better.

There are precious few 154 operated routes into the 'west' anymore. Budapest and Kiev are the last remaining cities. Warsaw and Dusseldorf are now all Airbus.



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25 Post contains images DYflyer : OSL is still served with TU154s. SU has said they will change to A320 this summer. On the other hand, they said that last year too, so i guess we can
26 Post contains images Superfly : What are the odds of an equipment sub on routes to the United States? Swap a 767 in favor of an IL-96? Spotters here would need to be alerted the seco
27 Viscount724 : Why were you devastated by such a minor change? Isn't SU's product on their A319/320/321s basically identical except for the number of seats?
28 Post contains links RedChili : Not true. Aeroflot receives all of that money. See: http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en Imagine what would happ
29 UN_B732 : I've never heard of the SU sending the Il 96 to the US in the few years. It's always been the 763 as they promise the new C flat bed product, and the
30 Post contains images Superfly : They used to send the IL-96 here all the time.
31 SU : Yeah Superfly - it's been very long time since SU sent IL96 to US - at least 5 years if I am not mistaken.
32 Post contains links and images Superfly : They even send the IL-62 here as well. I wish Aeroflot would send the IL-96 back here to the USA. View Large View MediumPhoto © Lars Blomberg
33 Pylon101 : Unfortunately no. SU even changed IL-96-300 to Boeing 767-300 on its route to Havana!! " target=_blank>http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...ge=en R
34 RedChili : The quote I gave you was not from some reporter. It was a press release from the EU after they had conducted talks with Russian authorities concernin
35 JFK787NYC : Aeroflot does not get any money from the 300 Million, That money goes straight into Cash and goes out for payouts for bribes.
36 Viscount724 : SU retired their last IL-62s in 2003.
37 Superfly : We all know that. Notice I was speaking in pass-tense.
38 RedChili : Do you have a source for this? I have a hard time believing that EU airlines pay 300 million euros in cash. Such large transactions always go via ban
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