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Emirates Launches Los Angeles  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24820 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 19087 times:

I'm sure EK will do excellent in LA with connectivity offered to Gulf Region and Indian sub continent.

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Emirates Chooses Los Angeles As Third U.S. Gateway
03/12/2008

Just three months after launching flights to Houston, its second U.S. gateway in the U.S. in addition to New York Kennedy, Emirates is expected on Thursday to announce that it will inaugurate new flights to Los Angeles this fall.

On Sept. 1, Emirates expects to become the first Gulf region carrier to fly to the U.S. West Coast when it launches flights from Dubai to Los Angeles. It intends to use the 777-200LR on the route.

The Los Angeles flights will be the longest in its network, taking 15 hrs. 55 mins. to fly to Los Angeles and 16 hrs. 35 mins. to return.

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http://www.aviationweek.com/search/A.../03/12/awx_03_12_2008_p0-37529.xml


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1996 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18984 times:
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I can't imagine sitting 16 hrs 35 mins in a cramped economy seat. I'd be climbing the walls after 10 hours. That's an excruciatingly long flight. Are ULH flights really more profitable than those that stop and allow 5th freedom traffic?


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18970 times:

I'll have to look at them for my trip to the ME this fall.

Nice to see EK on the west coast.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18972 times:

Of course!!! This is the right move! This is the next logical step in building EK's USA network.

Welcome to Los Angeles EK!!!!



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User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18912 times:

WAOW!!!!! Everyone was waiting for Chicago or Washington.... Or even San Fransisco.... This came out of the blues.... Congrats and Wooohoooo to both LAX and EK. This is amazing news!!!!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18886 times:



Quoting EK156 (Reply 4):
Everyone was waiting for Chicago or Washington.... Or even San Fransisco.... This came out of the blues....

I don't see why. If anything, Los Angeles should have been their first US market.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18883 times:

I keep reading these ULH flights are really difficult to pull off.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8279 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18883 times:
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I am surprised it took them this long to get to LAX. Seemed for a few years all EK liked in the USA was JFK growing from 1 to 3 daily JFK flights. Here is an airline using the 777LR to all its might, first Houston, then Sao Paulo, now LAX and California. Next Americas destination, well Toronto, Washungton DC, Chicago or the second most important airport in all South Amerca, Buenos Aires, Argentina. I say let them eat steak.

User currently offlineNasmal From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18864 times:

ATL-DXB is about 15 hours itself.
How is LAX-DXB about the same time? Are they flying polar routes or something?


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1996 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18867 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
I don't see why. If anything, Los Angeles should have been their first US market.

Except about 3 years ago, they had announced that SFO would be the 2nd US gateway, but then backed away when oil rose over $50/barrel. I guess the economics of the 777LR is exceedingly better than the A340-500 - which was the only aircraft in the ULH arsenal at the time.

My EK Sales Rep said specifically, that the SFO route economics would not work if oil was over $50/barrel and that's why they withdrew plans to commence service. My, how times change!



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18816 times:



Quoting PA110 (Reply 9):
I guess the economics of the 777LR is exceedingly better than the A340-500

Well, that is entirely true.



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User currently offlineN984AVIANCA From Colombia, joined Aug 2007, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18806 times:

does anyone know who's going to handle them over LAX cause I would love to work for EK

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4859 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18616 times:



Quoting Nasmal (Reply 8):
How is LAX-DXB about the same time? Are they flying polar routes or something?

I would expect so. I wonder what the airways are for such a route ?


User currently offlineFlymd From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18587 times:

When the hell is ORD coming on line?
Come on EK, we have been waiting patiently



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18503 times:



Quoting Flymd (Reply 13):
When the hell is ORD coming on line?
Come on EK, we have been waiting patiently

I would imagine that ORD would be next. After Los Angeles, Chicago is the next logical choice.

Im not surprised that LAX came first, by all means it should have come before ORD. But ORD should be next, I would think.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18453 times:

Huh. I called them hypocrites for claiming they could only start LAX with a longer range 748, and claiming that the 77L wouldn't work for them, when in reality I felt it was all just posturing and they could start LAX any time they wanted to with the aircraft they had in the fleet or on order.

Guess I was right. No need for the 8500nm 748 after all...  Wink

Quoting PA110 (Reply 1):
I can't imagine sitting 16 hrs 35 mins in a cramped economy seat.

Really? The first post in this thread has to be about this nonsense? Usually we get at least a few real responses before the "who'd want to fly for that long" crowd chimes in.

The answer? This flight isn't marketed at you. No one is forcing you to take this flight.



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User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18339 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
The answer? This flight isn't marketed at you. No one is forcing you to take this flight.

Let's be honest here.........16.5hrs on any airplane in any class is a long long time!!!

I want to visit Dubai in the worst way. I'm in SEA! I will NOT fly to LAX to go nonstop for 16 hours. I will fly to FRA or CDG or LHR first. This way at least I can get the blood moving again in my 6'3 frame since I can't afford F class. Even if I could, afford it, I would make a connection to solid ground.

Unless of course it's my own private, custom built and tricked out 777-300!!



You mad Bro???
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18269 times:



Quoting Alexinwa (Reply 16):
I want to visit Dubai in the worst way. I'm in SEA! I will NOT fly to LAX to go nonstop for 16 hours. I will fly to FRA or CDG or LHR first. This way at least I can get the blood moving again in my 6'3 frame since I can't afford F class. Even if I could, afford it, I would make a connection to solid ground.

This flight wont be marketing connections. This would be for the LA area.



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 18089 times:



Quoting Alexinwa (Reply 16):

I want to visit Dubai in the worst way. I'm in SEA! I will NOT fly to LAX to go nonstop for 16 hours. I will fly to FRA or CDG or LHR first. This way at least I can get the blood moving again in my 6'3 frame since I can't afford F class. Even if I could, afford it, I would make a connection to solid ground.

Let's see ... would you go to LAX to connect for a flight to YVR or YYC? Unless you go out of your way to do so, no. Check the map to see where SEA, LAX and DXB are located, as well as the LAX-DXB flight path. You are not the target customer.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 18027 times:
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Quoting PA110 (Reply 9):

if it wont work over $50/barrel, then SFO will never have EK service.  no 



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 18010 times:



Quoting Flymd (Reply 13):
When the hell is ORD coming on line?
Come on EK, we have been waiting patiently

HAHA
Here at JFK we see them 3 times a day!
Congrats to LA and EK



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 17983 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
I don't see why. If anything, Los Angeles should have been their first US market.

Why?

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Here is an airline using the 777LR to all its might, first Houston, then Sao Paulo, now LAX and California.



Quoting PA110 (Reply 9):
which was the only aircraft in the ULH arsenal at the time.

16.5 hours is hardly a ULH flight.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
when in reality I felt it was all just posturing and they could start LAX any time they wanted to with the aircraft they had in the fleet or on order.

That's their JOB. They are beholden to get the best deal for the product they want that does the job they want it to do.

NS


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 17961 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):

Why?

The market for Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia flights.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17781 times:
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Quoting Alexinwa (Reply 16):
I'm in SEA! I will NOT fly to LAX to go nonstop for 16 hours.

Okay. Don't do it then.  confused 

mariner



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17664 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):
That's their JOB. They are beholden to get the best deal for the product they want that does the job they want it to do.

It is not their JOB to make claims that a route can't be profitable without a certain aircraft due to CASM, then when oil goes up (not down) by 25%, launch that same route on an aircraft that has much higher CASM.

Either they were lying, or they are opening a unprofitable route purposely because they don't really care about profit at EK, but about supporting the ridiculous growth of Dubai.

My guess is it's a mix of both.

But I doubt Boeing was "fooled" by any such public demands. All it really did was make some people think 748 plans were still up in the air, and potentially hurt sales of the aircraft.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 23):
Okay. Don't do it then.

ROFL.



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25 Post contains images Super80DFW : And DFW has been patiently waiting for QF!
26 Kaitak : That's the thought that occurred to me too; what does this mean for the 747-8? Another less potential customer. Re EK routes generally, this is their
27 EVA777SEA : I'm fairly certain there is more demand for NYC-Middle East compared to LA-Middle East.
28 Wedgetail737 : Kind of off the subject, but AC flies nonstop between YVR and SYD using 777LR equipment. I'm sure that's longer, at least in terms of flighttime.
29 LAXdude1023 : LAX-DXB would be much longer than YVR-SYD. I would be willing to bet that LA would be the next in line in that catagory. The market from LAX-Middle E
30 Fridgmus : Can someone please explain this to me in layman's terms? By air, SFO is not that far from LAX. What, 2 hrs flight time (give or take a little)? If EK
31 EK156 : 3rd one is the new destination in India
32 Kiwiandrew : while you are correct that SFO is slightly closer ( at least according to great circle mapper - but dont forget that this does not always reflect the
33 NZ107 : I wonder how long it'll be until EK become a round-the-world airline and complete the circle now they are about to serve the West Coast..
34 N1120A : I'm willing to bet you are off on that one, particularly when it comes to high end Iranian and Armenian traffic.
35 Philzh : How long does a flight have to be in order to be properly called ULH?
36 Fly2CHC : Precisely! Also, Lebanese and Indian traffic. I am willing to bet that most of the flights will be full of subcontinent connection traffic as they wi
37 BEYauty : Finally, a viable option other than a 20 + hour travel time from the UAE to LAX through Europe or Doha. Being a resident of the UAE who travels once a
38 CXfirst : Yes it is, SIN-EWR is only a couple hours more, and that is the longest route on the planet (non-stop route). They also need to use a 777-200LR to co
39 Dennys : Do not forget EK bought The A345 for very long hauls such as DXB - LAX originally . dennys
40 Post contains images KLMD11L : Publicity is more significant than profitability to carriers like EK, QR & EY! Doha?! I don't think that's a good option if you don't like multiple s
41 Fly2CHC : Publicity is very important, but you must remember EK is amongst the most profitable airlines in the world at the moment. Certainly their cost/revenu
42 Post contains links and images ETforLIFE : Some details on the flight: -EK 215 will depart DXB at 8:20AM and arrive in LAX at 1:55PM -EK 216 will depart LAX at 4:45PM and arrive in DXB at 7:40P
43 BEYauty : True, but it does become an option when the fares are significantly lower than your other options. I flew that route in January for 30% less than the
44 MAH4546 : Awesome to see Emirates here in Los Angeles. That's three U.S. cities down...five to go (ORD, IAD, SFO, EWR, and MIA, probably in that order, IMO).
45 LXA340 : Are EK's B772LR's equiped with a 3-3-3 Y seating?
46 BlueElephant : You know what...Thats what I thought too, But then I flew EK DXB-JFK nonstop, it was about 14 hours...and surprisingly, It was one of the most comfor
47 Scouseflyer : So will the A380 be able to take this over when EK have got some delivered or is it out of its range?
48 Post contains links Kaitak : I think LAX would be outside the range of the current A380, but there is - I understand - a long range -800R model being considered, which might make
49 Post contains images AznMadSci : I wonder how EK is going to top their LAX launch party like they did with IAH at The Juice Box (aka Minute Maid Park)?
50 Juventus : What are you talking about???? LAX should've been launched along side JFK, many months ago. Definetly before IAH
51 WidebodyLover : I heard a couple of months ago that on March 30th, 2008 EK will be down to 2 flights a day by elminating the HAM flight.
52 Post contains links 777STL : Oh really? Then what is? How many regularly scheduled flights out there are longer than 16.5 hours? Maybe a handful? You could probably count them on
53 WidebodyLover : I sure hope so it's 3-3-3 in Y. EK's 777s has 3-4-3 in Y like a 747.
54 Behramjee : These flight timings of EK's allow excellent connections in both directions to KHI, BOM, DEL, BLR, COK, TRV, HYD, AMD, DOH, KWI, MCT, IKA (THR) & MAA.
55 Post contains links Haan : EMIRATES ANNOUNCES FLIGHTS TO LOS ANGELES Gateway to Hollywood advances American expansion for the Dubai-based, international airline DUBAI, U.A.E., 1
56 Behramjee : This statement from EK indirectly confirms that the route is payload restricted as the B 77L can easily carry 12-14 tons of cargo on DXB-IAH/GRU...am
57 Haan : Correct
58 LH477 : Toronto is already in the Network, I believe second after New York...what they would like though, and cannot get is daily flights into YYZ.....
59 LAXDESI : The new flight gives me one more option to MAA. I wonder if they will be as competitive as THAI in business class on LAX-BKK-MAA. They should do well
60 Emirates773ER : I can see them flying into YVR as well, but daily flights to YYZ must be very very high on the priority list as far as I think. If only the canadian
61 SFOnative : Who is the target market?
62 OldAeroGuy : Can you name an inservice airplane that can do better?
63 Behramjee : India, KHI, O&D pax, DOH, KWI, MCT and BAH bound pax.
64 SeaBosDca : Most likely, at least westbound. Remember, the flight faces a double whammy on the westbound leg... first, the winds are against it, and, second, it
65 Haan : Perhaps the A340-500, but dont now if it will give so much extra cargo over that long distance.
66 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Wiki has some odd information - it states: A345 - EK Layout 258 (12/42/204) (32 LD3s/11 pallets) 77L - EK layout 266 (8/42/216) (6 LD3) These are obv
67 EA772LR : I thought the 77L could carry full passengers and bags + lots of cargo 7500nm.... And cost EK a pretty penny more than operating the 77L, if the 345
68 Haan : Just remember that DXB-LAX will differ in the weight it can uplift everyday due to the winds over the North Atlantic. The MTOW for the B777-200LR is 3
69 LH477 : I think YYR is a definite possiblity..I am not sure about the frequency issue they may have in YVR. As for YYZ, it's kind of thier fault, they could
70 Gilesdavies : Interesting news! 16hrs in 3-4-3 config on board a 777, no thanks! Some people say the seats are no different to a 3-3-3 config on the 777's but they
71 CHRISBA777ER : Spot on - i've not been on their A345, but tried their A343 and it was lovely. I'd MUCH rather be sat in that seat than 10 abreast on a 777 - even if
72 Nwaesc : I'm curious myself... Above wing? Below? Anyone know?
73 ConcordeBoy : ...this flight is nearly 600mi longer than YVR-SYD, and seeing as they've both a significant North/South heading, and are opped by similar EQP, I sin
74 OldAeroGuy : Another example of why you should be wary about Wikipedia. For the A345, the airplane can carry 32 LD3's or 11 pallets. It cannot carry 32 LD3's and
75 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : Wow, this is exciting! EK's route network is becoming absolutely amazing. Daily?!? I'm pleasantly surprised. My thought was a IAH like service 3X/week
76 Post contains images Astuteman : I don't think its a much a question of range, as much as economic payload.. This is a fair percentage of the 772LR's maximum payload, as far as I can
77 LAXdude1023 : Actually IAH is now daily as well. Even with all the talk, I expected LAX to come next. LAX is a bigger market to that area of the world than ORD, IA
78 Post contains images EA772LR : Yah but an A388R with TrentXWBs would and do it even better . Man I hope Airbus does an A388R with the Trents, even if it's just for EK, though I thi
79 Post contains images Astuteman : Hop on the bus, my friend. We're getting tee-shirts printed next week Regards
80 A380US : But i thinlk they might just turn it into a n/s and still i could live with 2 n/s and were getting the A380 soon anyway.
81 Post contains links SunriseValley : The press release quotes a longer flight time eastbound than westbound. That is contrary to the generally accepted understanding of prevailing winds.
82 SunriseValley : Congratulations, will you name the child Litesaber?
83 Post contains images EA772LR : Where does the line start??
84 AirxLiban : Very welcome news, so now we have AZ and EK launching LAX this year. Does anyone know when this flight will be reflected in the schedules and when it
85 LACA773 : Does anyone know if EK will eventually change the configuration of their 77Ls (at least some of them) for this ULHR? There's another thread about the
86 AirNZ : Well, for someone who keeps talking about the latest byword on here of 'business case', their last set of financials seems to indicate otherwise. If
87 AirNZ : Sorry, I'm not with you here, although I could be misunderstanding your post. How are C-market and level of technicality required (to fly them) mutua
88 AirNZ : Why? Again, I'm curious as to why some of the world's most successful airlines are deemed by some to not care about profitability. My upbringing has
89 Dz09 : Flew to DXb on Sunday from JFK with EK. Well, the flight was 5 hours late because of bad weather from the previous day (saturday). Something about usi
90 Dennys : I still whish it were operated by A345 !
91 ConcordeBoy : Indeed, you are. Your last three words would be the operative.... When I said "level of technicality", I was referring to how one might define the C-
92 Rb211 : Congrats to KLAX and EK. Also congrats to Dubai for having the tallest building in the world. I'm happy EK is stepping it up in service from Dubai to
93 Gilesdavies : In many respects they are!!! For the average passenger their service is no better than any of the other major international players in the world. Air
94 Speedbird0125 : What terminal is EK gonna use @ LAX? Maybe TBIT?
95 Singapore_Air : While I commend your sentiments, and indeed share them; I am 90% sure that their 10 across layout hasn't discerned any significant complaints from pa
96 LACA773 : I agree with you. They seem to have great catering too and spend a lot of money in this area. Is this still the case? I think this is their only opti
97 Airbazar : I'm not familiar with EK's arrival/departure banks at DXB, but how many connections will be possible for a flight departing at 8:20AM? The customer b
98 DABTH747 : Not quite because most flights depart late night to the subcontinet and mid east from DXB thus coming back to DXB early morning in time to connect to
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