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QF To Start SYD-EZE Nonstop From Nov 24  
User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10727 times:

Qantas will start 3 times weekly nonstop service between SYD and EZE starting 24 November:
http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn...details?ArticleID=2008/mar08/Q3739

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10609 times:
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guess that puts them back into the 'six continent club' with SA/BA/EK/KE/MH and anyone else I may have forgotten


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User currently offlineWorkFlyer From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10490 times:

This is the second try at this topic. For some reason the first thread has been deleted or has disappeared.

I was wondering (in the first thread) what impact this will have on Aerolineas Argentinas who have worked hard on building this route (albeit one stop via AKL) over the past five years.

Non stop will certainly be atractive to many fliers as will the ability to earn points in an international milage program (One world)


User currently offlinePanAm747LHR From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 232 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10453 times:

Schedules (according to QF website) are as follows:

Mo/We/Sa
QF 17 SYD-EZE
10:35 - 10:35 (same day)
13:00hrs flying time 747-400

Mo/We/Sa
QF 18 EZE-SYD
14:05 - 17:45 (one day later)
14:40hrs flying time 747-400

Big news for both QF and EZE! Congrats!

Nick


User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10401 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
guess that puts them back into the 'six continent club' with SA/BA/EK/KE/MH and anyone else I may have forgotten

I was surprised that neither CA or JL fly to CAI or JNB. Wasn't there some rumour about CA starting services to central Africa soon?


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 680 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10350 times:

Excellent news.. always a nice to see Qantas expanding internationally...

Flights are not yet available for booking, however I imagine this will change shortly.

Checking the seatmap, it appears the inaugural 24NOV service is being operated by a 747-438ER or 747-4H6/48E aircraft (most likely the -438ER).

SYD-EZE has alot of potential and I'm sure Qantas will do very well...

Regards


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10327 times:



Quoting QF175 (Reply 6):
Checking the seatmap, it appears the inaugural 24NOV service is being operated by a 747-438ER or 747-4H6/48E aircraft (most likely the -438ER).

Wunula Dreaming as a showoff aircraft or regular aircraft for the QF colours...that is the question for the first flight IMO.

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 4):
Schedules (according to QF website) are as follows:

Mo/We/Sa
QF 17 SYD-EZE
10:35 - 10:35 (same day)
13:00hrs flying time 747-400

Mo/We/Sa
QF 18 EZE-SYD
14:05 - 17:45 (one day later)
14:40hrs flying time 747-400

Big news for both QF and EZE! Congrats!

Nick

Interesting flight times... in this case it could be operated by a regular 744 particularly if the loads are light (which is quite likely considering its a new (been there before I know) route for QF and being an almost doubling of capacity between Oz and Sth America). If it is looking full and with seasonal winds etc expect the 744ER to be flying the route.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10237 times:

I believe this will be instead of, not in addition to, their planned service to Santiago de Chile.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10206 times:

very good news.... I am sure the flights will be good booked... not only with local EZE traffic... also with connections from all over SouthAmerica trough Avianca / Lan / Taca...


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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

Great for EZE, I can also see people from Brazil happy with this new serivce.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10080 times:

How does this announcement affect earlier plans for a QF service SYD-SCL using their own metal? I think that service was intended to start in November also. It sounds to me like SYD-EZE has replaced whatever was being considered for SYD-SCL,if in fact that was ever more than a rumour.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10036 times:



Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 4):
Schedules (according to QF website) are as follows:

Mo/We/Sa
QF 17 SYD-EZE
10:35 - 10:35 (same day)
13:00hrs flying time 747-400

Mo/We/Sa
QF 18 EZE-SYD
14:05 - 17:45 (one day later)
14:40hrs flying time 747-400

Big news for both QF and EZE! Congrats!

I agree! Great for QF and EZE. Not so great for AR though.

Speaking of schedules, I don't believe the schedules of the QF-operated SYD-SCL nonstop flights have been loaded in the system yet, have they?



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

Interesting! But they keep its plans to starts flights to SCL?

In case that Qantas open EZE route served by its own metal, LAN could continue to offer its daily service to AKL/SYD, according the LAN plans for the Pacific market.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10003 times:

My understanding is that the reason for the delay in announcing details of the SCL services was because QF management had second thoughts about which destination to go for - and the announcement now means that they have changed their minds and will not be serving SCL with their own metal. Any which way, they still have a daily code-share with One World Partner LAN Chile to SCL via AKL, so the addition of EZE effectively doubles their destinations in South America.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9998 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
very good news.... I am sure the flights will be good booked... not only with local EZE traffic... also with connections from all over SouthAmerica trough Avianca / Lan / Taca...

You're right, also 4M !

Quoting PU752 (Reply 11):
Great for EZE, I can also see people from Brazil happy with this new serivce.

A lot as the flight is easy to connect from 3 Brazilian City's (Porto Alegre, Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo) on both directions. EZE is far easy to access than SCL.

Felipe



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9967 times:



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 14):
Interesting! But they keep its plans to starts flights to SCL?

No, SCL will not be served by Qantas.

Smart move on the part of Qantas to let LAN take care of SCL and opening up a second gateway - Buenos Aires - which is also home to LAN Argentina, another oneWorld member.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9956 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 15):
My understanding is that the reason for the delay in announcing details of the SCL services was because QF management had second thoughts about which destination to go for - and the announcement now means that they have changed their minds and will not be serving SCL with their own metal.

if you listen to the pod cast of QF half yearly results announcement it is obvious that there is only one South American route being started. Dixon gave Borghetti (sp?) the opportunity to announce it then, but he declined.

Therefore we can only assume that indeed QF have decided to serve EZE instead of SCL, at the present time.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9936 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
No, SCL will not be served by Qantas.

Smart move on the part of Qantas to let LAN take care of SCL and opening up a second gateway - Buenos Aires - which is also home to LAN Argentina, another oneWorld member.

Thanks for the clarification Mark. It is an interesting choice.

On the subject of SYD-LAN, can LA's A343s fly SCL-SYD nonstop without payload restrictions? If so, does anybody think that, at some point LA could consider dropping the AKL stopover? How important is AKL in terms of the number of passengers that board at AKL or disembark there?



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9887 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 7):
Interesting flight times... in this case it could be operated by a regular 744 particularly if the loads are light (which is quite likely considering its a new (been there before I know) route for QF and being an almost doubling of capacity between Oz and Sth America).

Have you tried getting a seat between Australia and South America between November and March?
Average fare is upwards of $2500, and loads are over 90%!
Believe me, the loads during the launch phase will not be light. QF will achieve upwards of 85% loads with very good yield!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
Speaking of schedules, I don't believe the schedules of the QF-operated SYD-SCL nonstop flights have been loaded in the system yet, have they?

QF will continue to codeshare on LANs daily SCL-AKL-SYD flights.
The return flight EZE-SYD will compliment the morning arrival of SCL-SYD.

I suppose pax will also be able to open jaw with QF coded flights?
Travel on LAN SYD-SKL-SCL, then travel back in QF EZE-SYD?


User currently offlineRojam From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9857 times:



Quoting PU752 (Reply 11):
Great for EZE, I can also see people from Brazil happy with this new serivce.

Ahem! No, I can't imagine any Brazilian being happy seeing arch-rivals Argentina becoming more air-connected.

Nonetheless, I welcome QF back to my second home. But watch your oneworld freq-flyer points on this one - I've consistently failed to have them credited in the past (though that may have been Aer Lingus's shoddy "TAB" at fault), but that was back-in-the-day before I found a better alliance....



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9811 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
On the subject of SYD-LAN, can LA's A343s fly SCL-SYD nonstop without payload restrictions? If so, does anybody think that, at some point LA could consider dropping the AKL stopover? How important is AKL in terms of the number of passengers that board at AKL or disembark there?

LAN is not consider to drop AKL destination because traffic and they need AKL to operate the A343 without restrictions. Then will continue offering SCL-AKL-SYD with a daily flight.

Saludos.


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9804 times:



Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 3):

I was wondering (in the first thread) what impact this will have on Aerolineas Argentinas who have worked hard on building this route (albeit one stop via AKL) over the past five years.

AR have only themselves to blame. Late flights, Cancelled Flights, Delayed then Cancelled flights , and just poor handling of disrupts in general have got people wanting an airline that is a bit more reliable.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9767 times:



Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 21):
Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 3):

I was wondering (in the first thread) what impact this will have on Aerolineas Argentinas who have worked hard on building this route (albeit one stop via AKL) over the past five years.

AR have only themselves to blame. Late flights, Cancelled Flights, Delayed then Cancelled flights , and just poor handling of disrupts in general have got people wanting an airline that is a bit more reliable.

I predict that it would have little impact.
The market is growing rapidly, and there is room for more capacity.
I think AR may take a hit in the J class cabin, but given the limited capacity on the sector, and with QF raising the profile of the destination, that AR will be beneficiaries.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9767 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
On the subject of SYD-LAN, can LA's A343s fly SCL-SYD nonstop without payload restrictions? If so, does anybody think that, at some point LA could consider dropping the AKL stopover? How important is AKL in terms of the number of passengers that board at AKL or disembark there?

They would be restricted but can do it.
With oil prices the way that they are however, it would be hard for LA to justify doing this unless they increased prices. LA almost always flys full AKL-SYD-AKL as many of the pax are local traffic. AKL-SCL-AKL not so full but sometimes yes. If pax numbers were to increase then perhaps they could have a direct service, but I don't think there are too many pax that mind the stopover as it gives them a chance for some fresh air, stretch the legs and when they come back onboard they have a clean aircraft and another meal service.



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User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9735 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 20):
LAN is not consider to drop AKL destination because traffic and they need AKL to operate the A343 without restrictions. Then will continue offering SCL-AKL-SYD with a daily flight.

There are a couple of reasons why it might make sense to keep the AKL stop: 1) cargo 2) AKL is significantly more convenient for NZ pax, and probably more convenient for BNE/MEL pax. But unless cargo is the reason, I believe that LA should bring in direct flights 3x weekly. Perhaps the connecting flights could go to MEL instead then.

[Edited 2008-03-13 21:51:07]

25 RichardJF : Lets not start it until it's 787 WLG-EZE
26 ANstar : The daily service stops again on October and drops back to 6 x weekly SYD-AKL-SCL
27 PU752 : Im not sure, but at least In Melbourne, the main South American community is Uruguay, following Argentina and chile.......
28 RJ111 : Interestingly, SYD-EZE will be one of the few routes in the world which is significantly Etops restricted.
29 Post contains images MarioSPlane : Our rivalry is mainly about soccer. Other than that, Brazilians and Argentinians are really fond of each other, especially with the ones of the oppos
30 UPPERDECKFAN : I'm a OW FF and AFAIK the only restrictions between OW carriers are BA/AA trasatlantic. Up to now my points have always been awarded no matter which
31 KL808 : That might be because you where booked on a fare that doesn't qualify for points. QF isn't generous in giving out miles. As an AA elite you can only
32 Post contains images Hardiwv : Another way of reaching LHR from SYD with OW: SYD-EZE-GRU-LHR Rgs,
33 LipeGIG : As Mario very well pointed out, there is no competition between Brazil x Argentina for services. This QF flight will allow fastest connections as EZE
34 Hardiwv : Correct. The more flights EZE gets the better for Brazil, and the same applies for GRU! In fact, the QF flight will have the advantage of nonstop ser
35 Post contains links and images MarioSPlane : And talk about a nice product..... View Large View MediumPhoto © Gabriel Savit - AirTeamImages Regards
36 Airbazar : I think the rumor was for about service to LAD. I don't know if that has ever happened. Why not? They'll be able to get to SYD with only one connecti
37 IAD380 : Why doesn't QF start flights on its own metal to Brazil? My understanding is that half of the traffic between Australia, New Zealand and South America
38 LipeGIG : Yes it could be done with one stop anywhere, just need to obtain approval from the Country where they decide to stop. However i doubt ANAC will relea
39 Incitatus : Why? Brazilians may be occupying the majority of seats in the EZE-SYD service. Finally there will be a good link between Sao Paulo and Sydney. The LA
40 Hardiwv : I was only rumor, nothing concrete. Dont forget that SA already offers convenient connections from GRU via JNB to the West Coast of Australia (PER).
41 ClassicLover : Definitely the EI programme. I'm with Qantas and every single flight credits that is supposed to credit. Even EI flights that are not eligible come u
42 Incitatus : SA offers SYD-JNB-GRU as well by codesharing on the Qantas flight between SYD and JNB. But those services from Australia to South Africa (both from P
43 Post contains images Rojam : I suspect so - but QF116 (the old EZE-AKL-SYD flight) would be consistently erratic in crediting TAB points - it would be months of faxed boarding pa
44 Viscount724 : And from SYD, GRU is about 2700 nm (37%) further via JNB than via EZE. SYD-JNB-GRU 9987 nm SYD-EZE-GRU 7295 nm From PER, it's slightly shorter via JN
45 Airbazar : They don't have the airplane for it. SYD-GRU non-stop would need to be weight restricted. If they can fill the plane to EZE alone there's no incentiv
46 Lufthansa : I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet. That flight a Polar flight... an Antartic polar flight. That means No ETOPS. The southern part of the pacific
47 Dellatorre : EK offers better connection to PER via DXB. I think this is a winner, no doubt!! Every major Australian city will one connection away from Argentina
48 Thegeek : ETOPS-330 would cut the mustard. I really think ETOPS is an idea from a bygone era. It did nothing to stop QF from flying unreliable 743s PER-JNB, wh
49 Gigneil : It _is_ far, and certainly won't go at MTOW. But pax, bags, and a good cargo haul should be possible. NS
50 Thegeek : I think you meant MZFW. I've never seen any hard info how much payload you can take. That's probably true. Only NZ/pacific island pax would care that
51 Gigneil : My brain is scattered today... I really did mean that yes. NS
52 Abrelosojos : = As some have mentioned, Brasilians will probably be far more happier than the Argentines. Having flown the AR flight (and the LA flight), I can tel
53 Thegeek : That probably doesn't matter. A loss making leg GRU-EZE could improve the marketability of the SYD-EZE flights. Filling a 744 could be a challenge, a
54 Gemuser : All true. Yet SYD-GRU is "only" 350 nm further than MEL-LAX, so a B744ER could do it, with some small payload restrictions. And if traffic is as good
55 Hardiwv : I have also used the AR and can confirm that the flight is taken by Brazilians, about 60-70% of loads. The problem with QF will be to have a codeshar
56 MD11junkie : Hardi, Don't forget LA's and JJ's agreement is still valid. And 4M may codeshare with JJ/QF
57 Post contains images Airbazar : Very true for the GC route but (I'm just speculating here), with the range of the 787 they could take a slightly northerly route, and provide non-sto
58 Zkpilot : Except for those pax only wanting to go to the main Australian cities... AKL-MEL/ADL/BNE/PER/CNS/OOL are possible from AKL and allow the passenger to
59 Thegeek : Not to mention the evil difficulty of changing terminals in SYD. All those connections you mentioned are possible, but with what sort of waiting time
60 LipeGIG : Agree with you, the SYD-EZE allow good connections for places that even OneWorld doesn't serve non-stop from EZE like POA, ASU, MVD, GIG, FLN. A leg
61 Zkpilot : Well both the LA and AR flights arrive into AKL first thing in the morning... from there morning flights go to MEL at: 0650, 0750 to ADL at: 0815, to
62 Thegeek : So, forget PER, and forget OOL (since you might as well go to BNE and get the train to the gold coast). CNS could be better changing in BNE or SYD. T
63 Zkpilot : You know I didn't even think about DJ for this! lol so there are more flights for most of those destinations if you include DJ. If you are flying AR
64 Hardiwv : But the problem is that neither of the destinations you are mentioning ar operated by OW partner from EZE. POA (G3, JJ), ASU (PZ, AR), MVD (AR, PU),
65 QANTAS077 : EK is around $1000 more expensive too...let's wait and see what QF slug for their new service, AR or MH are the two cheapest from Australia to EZE, I
66 VHVXB : The only the thing that makes MH unattractive is the frequency of service - 2 weekly not to mention if an operational problem occurs
67 Dennys : sorry to arrive late , but why the A342 ( " World Ranger " ) is STILL not capable to fly EZE - SYD ??? very amazing !!! dennys
68 QANTAS077 : but the best part is that you can stop off in South Africa and Malaysia free of charge, I just did a pricing on QF website for EZE in the low season
69 Airnewzealand : Loads are looking good already... From the configuration they are sending the Pacifc config aircraft...12/65/265. First two weeks i checked... F/C Mos
70 Hardiwv : In this regard EK will have the upper hand. It operates GRU-DXB daily B772LR and has recently signed an agreement with TAM to feed traffic from EZE t
71 SJOtoLIR : Based on the OneWorld timetable system, the current LA SYD-AKL-SCL is likely an easier choice to get to Brazil, despite the layover in AKL. It runs d
72 LipeGIG : SJOtoLIR, be in mind that the non-stop GIG-SCL is a terrible option for connections. EZE in this case is better to connect to GIG with 8 non-stops al
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