Fly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3026 times:
As the title implies, I am amazed that EK do not want to improve profitability even further by providing more Business Class rows. I mean their hard product is one of the worst and most inconsistent amongst leading carriers, however they always seem to be full in all directions, particularly at the last minute. I tried to book a long haul flight for January - 10 months from now - and Business Class was full and the waitlist was closed!!
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 26988 posts, RR: 81
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
Quoting Fly2CHC (Thread starter): by providing more Business Class rows. I mean their hard product is one of the worst and most inconsistent amongst leading carriers, however they always seem to be full in all directions
I've flown their Business Class several times, and I consider it it as good as any in the business. For me, it surely has not been inconsistent.
The puzzle is - if you think it is "the worst", why are you trying to book with them?
You make a good argument though. I understand SYD gets the 77Ws with the new F and the cradle J seats, while MEL's SIN-DXB 773 service has cradle seats in First and Business (unless of course one of their upgraded 777-300s operates the flight).
UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2752 times:
Quoting Fly2CHC (Thread starter): I tried to book a long haul flight for January - 10 months from now - and Business Class was full and the waitlist was closed!!
So that implies they are seeing the business class cabin filled up with upgrades. Surely they are doing the right thing and dont want to increrase seats in J, so as to force people to pay for the actual J seat as opposed to assume they will get an upgrade. EK's business model would then make perfect sense to me. If you want to sit in F or J, pay for it or you will probably be in Y if thats the ticket you have bought.
AA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 2): Prediction of petro in Australia to be AUD$3 a litre within 10 years.
10 year predictions of fuel price levels are a bit far out to worry about. There is SO much event risk between 2008 and 2018, you can't even begin to get comfortable with that price prediction. Listen, I am not saying that I think prices are headed down between now and then, but with all the factors in the global perspective that can and do impact crude / refined product prices - I would put ZERO stock in a 10 year price prediction made today. All it takes is another 9/11, ENRON, or some other global event to drive those prices up higher; OR the opposite could happen, and prices could trail off.
I certainly agree that we are in for a very rough ride in the short to mid run, but it troubles me greatly when speculators make such wild assumptions over such a long term, and people react to it, sending markets into arbitrary states of panic. Lets deal with what we know is going on now, and not guess what is going to happen in 10 years. Yeah...that will happen.
REALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2395 times:
Quoting AA757200 (Reply 8): I certainly agree that we are in for a very rough ride in the short to mid run, but it troubles me greatly when speculators make such wild assumptions over such a long term, and people react to it, sending markets into arbitrary states of panic. Lets deal with what we know is going on now, and not guess what is going to happen in 10 years. Yeah...that will happen.
sorry should have said, it was an oil company CEO, BP I think.
Fly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 11): Other airlines have network, loyalty programs and good - if not "amazing" - IFE.
SQ and EK are the only two carriers which can be used from the Middle East to fly into CHC. SQ don't fly to even half the destinations EK do in Europe or with the frequency. Also, flying SQ you don't have the option to stopover in SYD,MEL, BNE, CMB, or BKK to/from NZ.
Quite straightforward to get up to Gold status. Online skywards engine is superb, and in the past upgrades could be used as long as their highest RBD classes were available (e.g. F or J)
No other airline comes even close to 1000+ AVOD entertainment options as on the ICE system on EK's newer aircraft. This, to me, is one of the most important factors on really long journeys.
I guess you have a point though. An airline's product needs to be judged on all aspects, not just the seating. To me the seating is what really lets them down. But, from an airline revenue management perspective, it works because they can cram in a huge amount of additional seats (as opposed to if they went flat bed) and they can still get the bums to fill them all.
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2206 times:
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10): While EK is a premium airline, they also largely cater for the tourist and worker traffic markets.
So to reduce Y class significantly to cater for J class pax does no necessarily make sense.
This is understandable but what about the ULHR's they are doing? I would think and hope they would have a dedicated fleet of a more upgraded premium a/c for routes that are ULHR's: Dubai-SYD/MEL/BNE/SYD/*JFK/IAH/LAX.
It does seem their inflight service is inconsistant. I'm surprised they don't offer full flat seats in J, again, especially on these ULHRs. *A388 service starting this year but does this mean a better product for one of the few routes that will utilize this a/c?
Their new flights to LAX will be interesting to watch and see how they develop and what their customers think of EK's product. There's a lot of premium traffic out of LAX and if they don't offer an excellent,superior service, I don't see people sticking around and using them frequently or becoming loyal to them though they will offer a three class fproduct when you compare it to SQ (all J) and Thai J/Y+/Y.
Slightly off topic, does anyone know if EK has thought about or are considering developing a Premium Y cabin? Even if it's just for these ULHRs? From what I have read in TRs and in other threads here, it seems the consenus is their main cabin is dreadful for these long flights, small seats, cramped cabins. Their IFE, ICE doesn't seem to me that would or will save the day on these flights.