StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9643 times:
BBC news is reporting that a man with a rucksack has jumped the perimeter fence and run in front of a landing aircraft.
RoyalAirMaroc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9592 times:
Wow, another breach of security at LHR... when will BAA get thier act together :$
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NYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 660 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9487 times:
Security at LHR is a joke. The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.
RoyalAirMaroc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9489 times:
The funny thing is.... what message was he trying to get across ???
"People should be able to walk on an active runway"
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Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9488 times:
Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 4): The funny thing is.... what message was he trying to get across ???
"People should be able to walk on an active runway"
It may be that he was a terrorist - I doubt it though as he sounds a little amateur!
StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9489 times:
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9217 posts, RR: 42 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9454 times:
And BBC News 24 just added that last month protesters managed to get on top of a "Boeing 777". Didn't they notice the corrections they made at the time? Sigh...
I would not go so far to criticise LHR security in this instance. Every airport has a couple of miles of perimeter fencing which requires round the clock surveillance. The very fact that this man was captured in such a short space of time I for one think suggests that security was on the ball in this instance.
And remember, the reason why they are checking your toothpaste is because at this airport an attempt was made by a number of terrorists to attack YOUR country NYCAAer and it was quashed by the brilliant security and intelligence in the UK. So be careful who you mock!!!
How do you propose Heathrow (or any other major airport for that matter) secure its perimeter in such a way that it's impossible for someone to either cut through or climb over it?
Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3): The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.
Those security folks are inside the terminals, not patrolling the perimeter fence.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9323 times:
Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10): And remember, the reason why they are checking your toothpaste is because at this airport an attempt was made by a number of terrorists to attack YOUR country NYCAAer and it was quashed by the brilliant security and intelligence in the UK. So be careful who you mock!!!
Sevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9325 times:
And BA hasn't cancelled it's entire short haul network. They are getting good!
When I read a man ran in front of a plane, I thought suicide. But not necessarily a terrorist attack.
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11): How do you propose Heathrow (or any other major airport for that matter) secure its perimeter in such a way that it's impossible for someone to either cut through or climb over it?
Moo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3596 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9262 times:
Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3): Security at LHR is a joke. The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.
When you come up with a scheme which secures 15KM of fencing that doesn't involve more money than the GDP of some smaller nations, you can throw the first stone.
It is currently patrolled from the road, but there are several places where the road and fence "part company".
The perimeter fence is nothing more than a deterrent. Even if it was patrolled every 5 minutes, it would not stop someone who's determined to get through/over it.
Moo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3596 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9205 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
The perimeter fence is nothing more than a deterrent. Even if it was patrolled every 5 minutes, it would not stop someone who's determined to get through/over it.
Precisely - if the Berlin Wall couldn't keep in those who were determined enough to get out, what makes people think keeping the determined out is going to be doable?
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9205 times:
SKY News is saying that Southern runway is open and the Northern runway is being partially used (I guess for landings) the bag is beleived to off been the subject of a controlled explosion.
Gh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9205 times:
Quoting Moo (Reply 15): When you come up with a scheme which secures 15KM of fencing that doesn't involve more money than the GDP of some smaller nations, you can throw the first stone.
Perhaps he's suggesting that LHR should have guard tower's every few hundred yards with shooters in waiting.
We're talking about Heathrow Airport, not Guantanamo Bay or Folsom Prison.
Whappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1560 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9116 times:
Quoting Moo (Reply 15): When you come up with a scheme which secures 15KM of fencing that doesn't involve more money than the GDP of some smaller nations, you can throw the first stone.
Easy: pay spotters to spot and double as security with walkie-talkies. Pay £1 an hour. You're getting paid to do a hobby (and that means you can brag to all your friends you're a pro) and they get security.
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9116 times:
Quoting RJ111 (Reply 9): I hope this doesn't ruin our ability to spot on the north runway
They'd be stupid to do that considering this quote from the article.."Ben Ando said police received numerous 999 calls from members of the public".
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9116 times:
Thinking about this slightly more rationally than I was earlier - I'm now pretty sure that we're not talking about a suicide bomber as they would, even if they missed their intended target (I'm assuming a plane) would have blown themselves up when the Police arrived before they could be captured. Witness the actions of the blokes who crashed their car into Glasgow airport and then tried to burn themselves to death rather than be captured.
My opinion - this will turn out to be a nutter who's either trying to make a point or needs attention!
747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 820 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9064 times:
Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3): Security at LHR is a joke. The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.
Crew members should know the rules. If they choose not to comply with them, then they must accept having to voluntarily abandon the prohibited items the try to bring through
25 A390: Not an A.netter trying to get a better camera angle ?
26 UAL777UK: What a prat, I hope he gets thrown in the dungeon and they throw away the key! Your never going to have 100% security at an airport or just about anyw
27 WESTERN737800: Have the spotters throw rocks at him. Then lock him up, throw away the key, and give him moldy bread and water. I wouldn't even let him clean a closed
30 MAN23R: T5 is opens tomorrow, my guess its a green activist, idiot!
31 Scouseflyer: Quote from the BBC website: " Norman Shanks, a former head of security at airports operator BAA, said it was not the first time a person had climbed o
32 KL1291: http://jobs.trovit.co.uk/jobs/ramp-agent Just give the man a job!
33 Climb1: I doubt it! You know what the UK system is like.... If he is found to be (just!) a "nutter" then he will probably be released in the next few days an
34 Richierich: That was basically my first thought too... Not all of the terrorists are "professional" - the GLA incident comes to mind. But this was one of those t
35 BMIFlyer: Hmm At first thoughts, you would think "suicide bomber". hopefully it was just a nutter, and not an al Qaeda "practice" run. Lee
36 LHRBlueSkies: Oh please... like US security is just sooooooooooo perfect, and air crew never try to smuggle things they know to be against the rules, or even illeg
37 Anglo2: He was probably recruited by the government to justify their 'Anti Terrorism' policy like they did at Glasgow Airport. We haven't had an 'incident' la
38 Gosimeon: His bags were full of personal items. Perhaps this was a suicide attempt?
39 OA260: Gotta love the media ::: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1309211,00.html ''Protesters walked on to the runway last month and climbed on t
40 BlackProjects: Several years ago a similar thing happend while i was spotting at LHR but on the Southern Runway an unstable person climbed over the fence with a larg
41 LHR777: Except that the intruder/nutter/mentalist (etc) was first spotted by a British Airways staff member, who immediately contacted BA Corporate Security
42 Moo: Nah, some bright spark would figure out how to hook their phone charger to it
43 Scouseflyer: There was a chap who became notorious where I lived for climbing on things. Most famously he caused the abandonment of a football match after climbin
44 Speedbird2155: There are patrols by the police on the external side of the fence and within the fence by the BAA. These occur at various times throughout the day.
46 Theginge: There are, you can't drive round the perimeter road at LHR without seeing a Police car or two. Apart from having a 50ft high fence you aren't going t
47 Scbriml: Even a 50ft high fence wouldn't stop someone determined to go through it. If a bunch of hippy women are able to breach the fence at a US military bas
48 Par13del: We need to look at cheaper solutions to preventing such events, unfortunately, until an a/c crashes and there is loss of life, cheap alternatives will
49 Moo: Far too much of the perimeter is inaccessible to spotters, but accessible to nutters (yes, two different demographics ). Electric fences are deceptiv
50 GDB: Did this man get anywhere near an aircraft before he was apprehended? Even if he was physically able to avoid being brought to the ground by a cop, be
51 Gkirk: Looks like he got VERY close to an Emirates 777
52 G-CIVP: GDB - he got very close. Having just seen the TV footage, I'm surprised the SAS MD80 decided to commence take-off. This said, the flightcrew may have
53 BlackProjects: Heathrow requires A double Fence the outer one should be Dead and the Inner one should be Live. So any Numpties climbing the Outer fence can clearly s
54 BMIFlyer: Hmm, at the moment LHR arrivals / departures are a big mess, many delays. http://www.heathrowairport.com/ Is 27R still shut? Lee
55 Richierich: This nut should be charged for all of the inconvenience and cost he has put out to the various airlines, airport and law enforcement. Of course, he p
56 Bennett123: Scouseflyer Fortuneately most terrorists are not rocket scientists. Remember Richard Reid, sitting on a plane trying to set fire to his trainers and t
57 Gh123: They'll never allow that - Health and Safety - it might hurt someone!!
58 BMIFlyer: Exactly, or it will be "against their human rights to be electrocuted to death"
59 Soon7x7: Probably an International arriving passenger knowing it would be quicker to walk to your connection rather than rely on LHR's people moving "systems".
60 DavidkunzVIE: Nah, we never would... or would we? Sounds like airport security is a joke. You cant carry a Coke or a beer with you, but,... hey! - Why not be a run
61 BlackProjects: Good news LHR has switched over to 09s a lot of the delays are still on going but the Departures are now going of 09 Right which ihas its threshold do
62 Leezyjet: An old friend who when he was in the RAF had been out on the lash one night with his mates. They decided it would be a good idea to hitchhike from th
63 BR715-A1-30: Was he hitch-hiking? OK, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION!!!
64 Climb1: lol. It left me in stitches reading that! I was thinking, (a bit o/t) regarding electric fences. Would it be possible that electrifying that much fen
65 Scrumpy492003: When the IRA was acting up 30 years ago, the ARMY had tanks and armoured vehicles patrolling that fence!! Peter
66 Bennett123: Perhaps the crew of the MD80 thought that he was something to do with the airport. I am sure that the Army was not permanently in residence.
67 ComeAndGo: Our days are over. Any day now we'll see graphity sprawled over planes as well.
68 PilotNTrng: As George Costanza once said on Seinfeld..." Easy big fella." And what the hell is a rucksack?
69 EIASJ: Quoting LHR777 (Reply 41): "LHR has around 15KM of perimeter fence. Perhaps they should electrify it. That'd do the trick. Wink Quoting MOO (Reply 42)
70 VHECA: A combination of security fencing a la modern maximum security prisons would be an idea. I mean, a litlle razor wire/ectrified wire here and there. Ma
71 Ajd1992: Rucksack - backpack, whatever you want to call it.
72 Par13del: Now that the financial hit has been taken, I'm waiting for the bean counters to put our the final figures. A individual wanted attention and he got it
73 VS773ER: Who reckons he was recruited by BAA to create a security breach? That way when it becomes apparent that the '10 minute to gate' idea they are pushing
74 MD11Engineer: Just for show. I have seen too many airports, where patrolling the perimeter fence consisted of two bored security guards driving around in their 4x4
75 DavidkunzVIE: I know airports (VIE), where ther is ONE police car with ONE officer circling the airport, and not even directly next to the fence, but some hundred
76 Moo: One of the rules of security where protecting a principle or principles involved is the core aim, is that it is next to impossible to protect against
77 Teme82: What LHR needs is heavily armed guards with dogs going around the airport!
78 AF1624: Whenever I read british humour like that I can't help thinking about Jeremy Clarkson. It's soo the kind of things he would say. Brilliant. Anyway, I
79 JoshSixtySeven: Personally, I'd have had him shot on site - make a public statement to these people. We're too wrapped up in a world of political correctness to remem
80 Cefarix: An Asian or Arab man? Their fear of Asian/Arab terrorists must have been playing tricks on their minds! Asians (meaning people from the Indian subcont
81 Maddog888: (and the other such ideas mentioned) Seems to me that all these proposals are just another way to give BAA an excuse to jack up it's fees. No, what i
82 Gc2: "Evidentally, the latter of the two isn't happening. Which means I'm paying a bit more towards Scotland every time I fly." Well after 700 years of all
83 AF1624: From an exterior point of view - and with a bit of knowledge of your history - I do agree with with you. But there's one thing I just don't understan
84 Moo: You had your chance when a Scottish king took the throne of England (James VI in 1603, for the uninformed) and promptly .... did sod all about your s
85 Gc2: LOL, except we ran the British Army, invented most of the stuff used in the 20th Century, gave you ships, engineers, coal and proved that we were abo
86 LHRBlueSkies: You gave us coal?!?! Interesting take on how the planet works... Security can never be 100%. I for one wouldn't want any more measures in place, beca
87 JoshSixtySeven: "Stolen" is a bit of a harsh term seens as you've had such a lot in return, especially seens as your "tourist" industry went, well, South. Literally.
88 Bennett123: According to BBC, his name is Ketheeswaren Uthayakumar 27 No Fixed Abode.
89 Gc2: Did you not realise that people had to bring it out of the ground?....interesting take on how industry works Maybe I should have said, "We gave you o
90 Argonaut: "Heavy Plant Crossing" (my favourite British road sign, often seen at road works)
91 Access-Air: Simple question....what the hell is a Rucksack??????? Access-Air
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