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Delta's Updated 767-300ER IFE (new LCDs)  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15912 times:

Yes, I know this was posted at the trip reports forum, however, since there is much more activity in this forum, I think these pictures are better posted here.

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Yes, these are the new LCD monitors for the 767-300ERs. Yes, I understand that everyone would prefer PTVs with AVOD, however, we all know that won't happen in the near future. These new LCDs are a welcome upgrade from those old washed out CRT monitors and projectors. I like that large LCD screen at the bulkhead.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15913 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I like that large LCD screen at the bulkhead.

Passengers seated right behind it probably won't like it if they're trying to sleep.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15888 times:

AA needs to do the same thing with it's 757s and 762s. It would, among other things, save on weight and energy use.


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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15860 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I like that large LCD screen at the bulkhead.

Passengers seated right behind it probably won't like it if they're trying to sleep.

That's what eye shades are for which are provided to every passenger in both classes on intercontinental flights.


User currently offlineXjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15822 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Yes, I understand that everyone would prefer PTVs with AVOD, however, we all know that won't happen in the near future.

Interesting, considering my 763 (non er) had PTVs. You'd think they'd have them on their international config.

xjr



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15640 times:

What I really don't like about these ceiling mounted TV's is that they are poorly visible from the window seat. You need to lean over a bit to see the full screen. You can see what I mean in the second pcture. I guess the improved visibility of the big screen on the bulkhead does help in this regard.


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User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15636 times:

I also really like the large LCD on the bulkhead, what other airlines have bulkhead mounted LCDs that aren't the small carappy postcard 90s versions, but once of decent size? I know Qantas were installing the ceiling mounted ones dunno about the bulkhead ones wish they would though, wish more airlines would go for this on non PTV aircraft (or some form of art on those that do have PTVs like BA I think it looks nice and ads some personality)
But any much needed improvement!
Would be facinating to know the total weight reduction from CTRs to LCDs and the subsequent fuel savings from weight and energy factors, anyone have any ideas?
cheers Smi


User currently offlineTwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15505 times:

I was really suprised when i walked on the plane. I could really notice a difference in watching the movies. The only problem that really exists is the audio jacks. Those are horrible!

Delta 48: CVG-FRA + Pics (by TwoLz2Rn Mar 13 2008 in Trip Reports)


User currently offlineGosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15475 times:

I flew in a 767-300ER to JFK from DUB and back in November. My JFK-bound flight had the older system and the return flight had the LCD screens throughout the cabin. Needless to say, the LCD screen was an improvement on the old projector the outbound flight had. However, the screens were not well placed throughout the cabin and I had a sore neck watching them (I was in a window seat). I would rather if the screens were more frequent throughout the cabin, and placed above the pax not in between isles. This is how it is done on a 737 charter I was on before and it was much better.

I didn't mind too much, but a lot of pax who pays a few hundred euro for the flight were probably expecting better IFE.


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15350 times:



Quoting Xjramper (Reply 4):
Interesting, considering my 763 (non er) had PTVs. You'd think they'd have them on their international config.

The ERs/Intl config can not be fitted with AVOD throughout the entire cabin due to weight issues. On the ERs, AVOD is only available in BE and these LCDs are in Y.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15323 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
AA needs to do the same thing with it's 757s and 762s. It would, among other things, save on weight and energy use.

AA is in fact doing this. However, I don't know if the 767-200ERs will feature a large LCD screen at the bulkhead.

BTW, I personally think that Delta should also install new LCD monitors for the regular (non-Transcon, non-ETOPS) 757 fleet.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15248 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
BTW, I personally think that Delta should also install new LCD monitors for the regular (non-Transcon, non-ETOPS) 757 fleet.

I agree. The CRTs are old, ugly, and heavy.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15234 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 6):
Would be facinating to know the total weight reduction from CTRs to LCDs and the subsequent fuel savings from weight and energy factors, anyone have any ideas?

So would I actually, including the use of LCD displays in the cockpit. That is also supposed to reduce weight, but don't know how much. IIRC the LCD's also save on energy use.



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User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15220 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 6):
I also really like the large LCD on the bulkhead, what other airlines have bulkhead mounted LCDs that aren't the small carappy postcard 90s versions, but once of decent size?

US Airways is in the process of doing this on their 762s.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15142 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
However, I don't know if the 767-200ERs will feature a large LCD screen at the bulkhead.

well, the crt projector was already replaced with an LCD projector in these planes, which is a much lighter and more durable product, so you may be right. But it's still dim, dim, dim because they got low powered ones and don't replace the bulbs regularly.



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4417 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15107 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 9):
The ERs/Intl config can not be fitted with AVOD throughout the entire cabin due to weight issues.

They CAN be so fitted -- Delta has decided not to install them.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15104 times:

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 15):
They CAN be so fitted -- Delta has decided not to install them.

Show me the data. Otherwise, zip it.

[Edited 2008-03-14 09:01:29]

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4417 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15054 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 16):

The proof is in the air, with multiple 767-300 operators offering PTVs in ALL classes. The burden is on Delta to show why it is unable to offer what its competitors have been doing for YEARS, and if it can't, then Delta's management needs to zip it on the canned cover story for being cheap.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15034 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 17):
The proof is in the air, with multiple 767-300 operators offering PTVs in ALL classes. The burden is on Delta to show why it is unable to offer what its competitors have been doing for YEARS, and if it can't, then Delta's management needs to zip it on the canned cover story for being cheap.

Well, the 767-300ERs are now flying routes such as JFK-TLV. This is one of the longest 767 routes operated by any airline.

Also, retrofitting a fleet of 59 aircraft with PTVs would be very expensive. At least Delta is spending some money on replacing the old CRTs/projectors with LCDs, however, a full-blown PTV system with AVOD is much more expensive.

As I have stated in the past, if/when Delta orders the 787 (or if Delta buys out Northwest), the 787s will feature PTVs with AVOD from the factory.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14999 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 9):
The ERs/Intl config can not be fitted with AVOD throughout the entire cabin due to weight issues. On the ERs, AVOD is only available in BE and these LCDs are in Y.

DL could easily put PTVs on their entire 763ER fleet - UA has done this, as have other DL competitors. DL just has chosen not to (apparently because it might limit range). Simple as that.

For DL it makes perfect sense, but I doubt customers are thinking to themselves "it's a good thing we don't have PTVs, because this way it's cheaper for the airline".


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14935 times:

This conversation keeps coming up. 76Es can be retro'd with PTVs...however...

Right now, for Delta (and we're only talking about Delta here) there is a weight issue with PTVs. The 76E fleet isn't allocated to certain routes - any aircraft can fly any 76E route at any time. There are slight differences in terms of payload/ability between the two fleets, but they aren't relegated to any route.

For Delta's route profile and the missions these aircraft fly, weight is the current issue.

That being said, Delta knows where their competitive advantages and disadvantages are. The 767 has a few years left in Delta's fleet and they clearly will look to optimize the fleet where able from a financial perspective for the airline and a customer service/perception perspective for the customer. Stay tuned...

[Edited 2008-03-14 09:41:06]


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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14861 times:

They still look pretty old-skool, but a massive improvement.
DL should have put in drop down LCDs so people in the window seats don't have to twist their neck to watch the movie.
I can completely understand why they aren't putting heavy PTV systems in.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14769 times:
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Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 20):
The 76E fleet isn't allocated to certain routes - any aircraft can fly any 76E route at any time. There are slight differences in terms of payload/ability between the two fleets, but they aren't relegated to any route.

Well, in a sense they have already created a sub-fleet of 76Es (those with the lie-flat pilot rest seats - those 76Es with no seats 1C and 1E in the BE cabin) that are needed to operate the extra long routes (ATL-LOS, JFK-TLV, JFK-AMM, etc.). While those planes can be utilized on other shorter routes, they have to be used on the aforementioned routes due to the pilots' contract.
So theoretically, one option could be to put PTVs on those 767s without the pilot lie-flat crew rest....


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14681 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 22):
Well, in a sense they have already created a sub-fleet of 76Es (those with the lie-flat pilot rest seats - those 76Es with no seats 1C and 1E in the BE cabin) that are needed to operate the extra long routes (ATL-LOS, JFK-TLV, JFK-AMM, etc.).

Thanks for reminding me, totally forgot those birds.

That being said, more to come.



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13943 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 17):
The proof is in the air, with multiple 767-300 operators offering PTVs in ALL classes. The burden is on Delta to show why it is unable to offer what its competitors have been doing for YEARS, and if it can't, then Delta's management needs to zip it on the canned cover story for being cheap.



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 19):
DL could easily put PTVs on their entire 763ER fleet - UA has done this, as have other DL competitors. DL just has chosen not to (apparently because it might limit range). Simple as that.

Considering that DL has one of the largest fleets in the world outfitted with PTV's (and continuing to grow), I doubt it is because "Management is cheap."



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25 Etops1 : us has installed the same lcd's on their 767's except for the overhead ones. but they did eliminate the flip over screens and projectors.
26 1337Delta764 : Well, United has 21 767-300ERs in international configuration. Delta has 59, more than twice the size of United's international 767-300ER fleet. BTW,
27 Evan767 : Do the ones over the aisle flip up? I read in a TR post that they do, but it might just be a misunderstanding. Quoting DALelite reply 3: "I specially
28 1337Delta764 : I doubt it. If the screens were flip-down, a tall person can bump their head on one of those screens and damage it. Flip-down screens are usually loc
29 Gigneil : They're retrofitting a massive fleet of 737s, 757s, and domestic 767s with them. The 59 international ones are a small fraction of that total. This t
30 1337Delta764 : Well, Delta has pretty much finished retrofitting the domestic 757s with PTVs, the only other 757s that are currently planned to get the system are t
31 Post contains images Multimark : Wow, yesterday's technology, today! Since AC was able outfit their 763 with AVOD, I imagine anybody could do it
32 1337Delta764 : Does AC fly their 767-300ERs on routes such as JFK-TLV, ATL-LOS, or JFK-AMM? I don't think so. Delta will soon be operating some of the longest 767-3
33 RwSEA : I agree that UA (and NW) have a disgraceful international Y product on their 747s. That's a fact. The point is that DL is installing high-tech AVOD o
34 FlyTUITravel : Anyone can fit a 767 with AVOD. You could fit an E135 with AVOD if you wanted, but for DL to fly the routes it does with the 763, they will be puttin
35 Jkudall : Folks, don't you think if DL felt they could add PTV's to their 763 ER fleet they would have? If it were only a marketing decision, they would be ther
36 RwSEA : Some longer routes, actually, including: YYZ-TLV (5781 miles) YVR-PVG (5608 miles) YVR-PEK (5282 miles) Which certainly approach the range of those r
37 Evan767 : .....:
38 RwSEA : I'd be happy to explain to you why DL has an inferior product offline - that isn't the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is the "welcome
39 1337Delta764 : AA operates 58 767-300ERs, one less than Delta. Does AA offer PTVs in economy on their 767-300ERs? NO! Therefore, your argument is invalid. While AA
40 RwSEA : Last time I checked, DL has more competition across the Atlantic than just AA. In fact, UA, US, NW, CO, AC, BA, KL, AF, IB, AZ, VS, SK, LY etc. are a
41 767-332ER : I suppose that this is coming from the industry's "expert" on the product offerings of the airlines worldwide. Sorry, I didn't catch your name... You
42 Delta4eva : Nicely said, 767-332ER!
43 1337Delta764 : Also, NW doesn't offer PTVs in economy on their entire international fleet, only on the A330s. NW operates 32 A330s, and does not plan on installing P
44 RwSEA : As I said, i'll be happy to discuss offline. The point of this thread is not a comprehensive airline-by-airline product analysis. The following point
45 RwSEA : Unless you live in JFK or ATL, that is not an option (and that isn't the majority of the population). So given that I need to make a connection regar
46 Gigneil : I am 30, a senior-level professional, and I would kill myself on a long haul flight without one. My view is pretty common. They are frankly a standar
47 FlyTUITravel : I know this may sound a little far-fetched, but with the fuel "crisis" (is that the right word) getting worse, it makes me think that in a bid to save
48 Multimark : Exactly, folks shouldn't hide behind the range excuse. Exactly, folks shouldn't hide behind the range excuse.
49 WorldTraveler : ATL-LOS is longer than these and longer than any of the middle east routes that are/will be opened this year. Because DL offers the only US carrier s
50 Col : I think it just shows up how poor the international product of our carriers is in terms of on board entertainment. We are talking about a better scree
51 Gigneil : Arguing whether PTV is valuable to the consumer or not is just a bullshit conversation. I've said bullshit a lot today. It clearly is. People like it.
52 Post contains links Tjcab : well, as Avek00 said...well, this is Lauda Air back in 98' http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lauda..._id=0104928&next_id=0005975&size=L
53 Post contains images Flynavy : I suppose, then, that you "experts" are more knowledgeable than the folks in Atlanta at Delta marketing, revenue management, and fleet planning and pr
54 767-332ER : What fact is that? Do you mean to tell me that you have never seen someone flying in Y across the Atlantic with a PTV in front of them actually not u
55 Av8rDAL : I recall flying ATL-FRA on Delta back in 2001 and they had LCD monitors on the 763-ER, but still the CRT projector. The 16:9 widescreen LCD on the bul
56 Gigneil : I absolutely do avoid them. US, AZ, and IB are second tier carriers. AA has no excuse in their 767s, as UA and NW don't in their 744s. BA's 767 fleet
57 Ocracoke : You people crack me up! Three weeks ago, there was a bazillion post thread of how DL's new plan of using three different types business elite seats on
58 Post contains images Flynavy : You're assuming there's any logic in this debate in the first place.
59 Gigneil : Well obviously there is some, kiddo. Delta is dropping a massive amount of money on PTVs and product, and the 767-300ERs are in need of a top notch pr
60 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : ok there goes ATL-SVO,ATH,LOS JFK-TLV,AMM,CAI shall i keep going? DL is trying to keep as much of the fleet the same as they can give it a rest dude.
61 Aruba : I think a 757 with PTV's is ideal. It would be comfortable and nice.
62 Jrlander : Not quite- Delta offers competitive fares out of here (here being SEA), but we can access KBP, IST, AMM, PRG, VIE, OTP and many other destinations vi
63 Post contains images Flynavy : Okay. We already have 757s with PTVs. Not really sure what the point of your post was. We're talking about 767-300ERs here.
64 RwSEA : As pointed out above, these destinations are all easily reached one-stop from SEA (and from PDX, SFO, LAX, PHX, LAS, DEN, DFW, IAH, DTW, ORD, CLE, MS
65 Post contains images CV880 :
66 WorldTraveler : you all fail to mis the point that based on DOT data, DL carries a very high percentage of local traffic on many of their long haul routes from JFK. S
67 RwSEA : That is a good point - DL is most uncompetitive in markets like LHR, FRA, CDG, AMS, etc. Many of the more exotic destinations like LOS, ACC, etc. are
68 Post contains images Flynavy : You have a point and it's well taken. It just is sad how quickly a pissing contest erupts each time a thread like this is posted. The fact is, yes, i
69 1337Delta764 : Somewhat related, but does anyone know if the video server was upgraded as well? I know the old system used an S-VHS video server. Did Delta upgrade t
70 767-332ER : Okay, so from SEA we would make it on a one-stop flight via NWA, AF, KL or SK. Give me the options for the millions of people living in cities which
71 Post contains images JGPH1A : You mean the brown envelope with socks and earphones in ? Yay. Hmm - lets see... - Dreadful food (half-a-cup of shredded cabbage is NOT a salad) - 2x
72 Post contains links and images 1337Delta764 : Well, the fact that the majority of airlines use a 2-2-2 layout for J class on the 767 renders your point moot. Airlines using 2-1-2 are in the extre
73 JGPH1A : I thought the newest 763's had leather seats. The ones I flew on in Dec/Jan had the new leather seats but no headrests. Excellent - those look very c
74 Flynavy : It has been stated by management that they want the seat deployed throughout the entire -300ER fleet as well.
75 JGPH1A : Good. Then will they put PTV's in Y ?
76 Flynavy : I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
77 Post contains images JGPH1A : I'll take that as a "Maybe" then
78 1337Delta764 : The leather seats are not really new seats, they are the old seats re-covered in leather with some of the paneling replaced. Last time I heard in the
79 Mir : LHR is arguable, but the others are not. I'll take a connection through CDG, AMS, FRA over a connection in ATL any day of the week, and I'd even take
80 JGPH1A : Pardon my confusion, but which "new" seats have the headrests then ? Do these go in at the same time as the "new" TV screens (*snigger*) ? The aircra
81 Mir : I can understand the domestic fleet, but why wouldn't they put the headrests on the ETOPS 757s? -Mir
82 1337Delta764 : I don't know exactly which aircraft, but I know that a few of the newest 767-300ERs have the winged headrests. Not all of them have the leather seat
83 1337Delta764 : I agree with you there. BTW, some of the 737-800s used to have them as well, however, they were removed around 2003. All of the 767-400ERs (both dome
84 RwSEA : Only on the 764/777. Believe it or not, the new slimline seats going into the 738 and domestic 763s don't have these.
85 1337Delta764 : That is correct. The 777-200LRs do, however.
86 Jetlanta : When Delta finally adds PTV's on the 767-300ERs, I think everyone will understand why it was worth the wait. Those on here acting as if Delta is stupi
87 767-332ER : My point was being made to get Eastbound at an earlier time. Yes, please show me how many other airlines give you something in coach for a long-haul
88 Viscount724 : They may be in the minority but you can't deny that 5-abreast business class on 767s is a much better product than 6-abreast which is just one seat l
89 1337Delta764 : As I have stated, Delta will soon be installing the Thompson Solutions Vantage sleeper suites, and they will be arranged in a 1-2-1 layout.
90 Ocracoke : Why would you need such headrests on your Peugeot? Are you planning on getting comfortable and taking a nap while driving?
91 JGPH1A : I flew back from JFK in January - 3 months ago. The food was really no great shakes. I'm going again in April, we'll see if there's an improvement. A
92 767-332ER : Thanks for giving DL another try. I suppose the 1.5" in width makes a difference to you. I am over 6' and weigh 180lbs and it doesn't to me. Again, I
93 Post contains images JGPH1A : What are you implying ? Actually I prefer the single seat, especially if it's on the window - best possible configuration, window and aisle together.
94 767-332ER : Not implying anything offensive. Just that to me the width difference in the seat does not matter enough to notice.
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