AS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2052 times:
Looks like United isn't messing around with gradually increasing prices to certain markets. I find it interesting, but understandable, that where the LCC's fly, they aren't increasing ticket prices that much. I am curious as to see who follows, and how soon they do it.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2010 times:
Let's hope this is a sign of sanity coming to airline pricing. Please, airlines - Please - just be brave and raise fares instead of nickel & diming us to death with fees & surcharges! I understand Gov't-imposed fees, but airlines (and all business) should just adjust pricing in general when operating costs rise, instead of adding separate, extra charges.
What the customer sees is costs rising in any event, whether it's on the front end or back end, the total still works out the same. Just add it into the quoted fares and let that be that.
Platinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 543 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1957 times:
I wonder how much this will affect their load factors. Does anyone have the load factors numbers for the airlines in the US? I hope oil prices dont affect the new rise in air travel, airlines just started to get back on their feet.
AS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1899 times:
Granted United only has one daily flight out of ANC, and its only an A319/320 but the sucker is always full! And they are the most expensive out of Anchorage, atleast going to ORD. I can honestly say I am not sure if this is going to hurt them up here or not. So many people fly in and out of Alaska(it is pretty much the only way to get to the lower 48, unless you want to spend 6 days on the road....or 3? days on a cruise ship) I don't see fuel prices affecting any airline up here significantly. We all have to fly up here......really no choice.
AA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1894 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 2): Please, airlines - Please - just be brave and raise fares
Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 3): I hope oil prices dont affect the new rise in air travel, airlines just started to get back on their feet.
This move won't last. In case you have not noticed, we are in a recession, and price inflation during recessionary times typically does not work. The US airlines - and more to the point global airlines - are hitting the perfect storm for massive losses - which they can not control. Global recession and rising fuel prices will likely serve as the one two knock out punch combination for many airlines - if this continues. Most major airlines have already made all of the substantial adjustments to their business models they can, in order to decrease costs, and increase profitability. When fuel prices shoot through the roof, and passenger disposable income drops through the floor simultaneously - look out. Bad times on the horizon.
I found this article , on www.airwise.com to be interesting, regarding fuel hedging by US airlines, and the fact that all but one of the US majors (AA) have left themselves more exposed to rising fuel costs this year, by letting their hedges expire, and not taking out new positions. AA is the only US major that is hedging more this year than last, but they are still only hedged at 24%.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1842 times:
Quote: united has higher fares than other airlines currently on certain markets, and now that are going to increase it more now?
Currently, I'm looking into fares for SAN-MSP travel on July 4th with a return on July 8th. This is what I am finding for an early morning departure from SAN with an evening departure on the return from MSP:
I am excluding CO as connecting through IAH is too far out of the way and gets me into MSP too late to do business, as also with AS connecting with NW through SEA and PDX.
I know not every fare is going to be competitive AND that summer fares aren't necessarily loaded into the computer...however...
Good luck, UA!!
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Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1571 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1842 times:
United operates a Boeing 757 ORD-ANC seasonally. An Airbus A320 does not have the range for ORD-ANC. United also flies a Boeing 757 seasonally SFO-ANC. The DEN-ORD is usually a A319 or A320 during the off peak season. Sometimes DEN-ANC is upgraded to a Boeing 757 during during the summer.
Everytime I've flown to ANC on United, the flights have been absolutely packed. In fact, I'm flying DEN-ANC on Monday and all of the fare buckets for the flight are zeros. My roundtrip ticket cost $1200! I've always had the the impression United makes a ton of $$$ on this route. Unfortunately, my flight is operated by a A319, so my upgrade chances aren't good probably.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1822 times:
Quoting AA757200 (Reply 5): This move won't last. In case you have not noticed, we are in a recession, and price inflation during recessionary times typically does not work.
My point is, instead of the separate charges, work them into the fare itself. Same end result for the customer, and is a more straight-forward way to do business.
AS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1790 times:
Quoting Brick (Reply 7): Sometimes DEN-ANC is upgraded to a Boeing 757 during during the summer.
They sometimes upgrade the DEN-ANC to a 757 during the summer? I love 75's, 76's and 77's, besides the weather portion, thats why I love Alaska in summertime! UA always has 757's from ORD and SFO, AA has them from DFW, US has them from PHX, CO increases their 75 frequency and DL increases their 75 frequency and also has a 76! Too bad no one will fly a 777 up here! I would be the happiest spotter ever!
Any idea if DL and UA will have the same amount of frequencies up here for this summer as they did last? I really dont think the whole gas price issue will affect vacationers up here.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1655 times:
Should have checked again today for airfares, but I didn't have time...now instead of "editing", I get to post again...
NW's fare jumped from $400 to $571.
UA's CHEAPEST fare jumped from $640 to $690.
OUCH!!
Everyone else's is basically the same.
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AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
Hmmm! for many, many months we have constantly heard on this forum that US legacies absolutely need to raise their fares and get to more 'sensible' pricing......yet when it happens the screaming begins. Kind of like those who like to berat NIMBY's in that the call for higher fares makes a great soundbite, but not so good when those calling for them are actually affected.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
Currently, I'm looking into fares for SAN-MSP travel on July 4th with a return on July 8th. This is what I am finding for an early morning departure from SAN with an evening departure on the return from MSP:
I am excluding CO as connecting through IAH is too far out of the way and gets me into MSP too late to do business, as also with AS connecting with NW through SEA and PDX.
I know not every fare is going to be competitive AND that summer fares aren't necessarily loaded into the computer...however...
And UA will likely fill their planes. Good for them. They really don't care about people like you who fare shop for the lowest possible fare. They'll soon be charging your ilk $25 for an extra bag. UA has enough Mileage Plus members and corporate contracts to keep their planes full enough. You can take the lowest fare. Too bad F9 can't get $660 for a ticket. They need it.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1469 times:
If UA can fill their planes at that price, good for them. But considering how tought it has been for airlines to do ANY kind of a price increase unless they all do it, I hope it doesn't hurt them in the end.
I will assume, for sake of argument, that this has been studied by UA management, and that the benefits outweigh the "turning away of the casual fare shopper".
And I also agree that the fare should match the cost of the ticket - airlines would be in a LOT better financial shape if this were the case. However, if the computers want to do a roller coaster ride and occasionally offer dirt cheap fares below what it actually costs to fly there, well, then the "fare shopping" will continue.
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StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
At the end of the day it's not all about price.
It's about convienience and service.
If I have a 1 a day flight to a 1 shot hub with no connections from an airline...
how can I :
1. Change my plans ?
2. Take another flight / route incase of delay ?
Its not just budget airlines... VS has this issue as well. VS has precious little connections and most routes are only 1 a day with few partners.
With UA.. I can go anywhere often as I like, and if something goes wrong Star Alliance can also save me.
With that regard ChavAir and their 1 a week point to point.. can offer as low as they like.. I aint gonna do it.
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
DTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1169 times:
I can't see the other airlines raising their prices this high. I know just do it and be done with it. But the OPEC countrys have allready stated they are not going to do a darn thing to help us or anyone else out of this oil price nightmare. So, If the airlines go with UA and CO on this. You can bet your shoes they will do it again, and again, and again. I think it is about time to get some smart people at the top that knows how to run a business. If I ran my travel agency like the airlines I would have been out of buisness long ago.
I just have on question here. "Do you think if we pull out of Iraq. The oil prices would come down some?" Don't get me wrong I support our troops 100%. Just a question.
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 11): Hmmm! for many, many months we have constantly heard on this forum that US legacies absolutely need to raise their fares and get to more 'sensible' pricing......yet when it happens the screaming begins. Kind of like those who like to berat NIMBY's in that the call for higher fares makes a great soundbite, but not so good when those calling for them are actually affected.
LOL, isn't this the case. We could fill a lot of Anet bandwith reposting all those "sensible pricing" posts.
As long as the price of oil is so ridiculously high, ticket prices will go up. For everyone. Frequency and other route adjsutments will follow.
People who think that ticket prices shouldn't be affected by the economic downturn are delusional.
I'm just glad we bought our tickets for Ireland two months ago.
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 13): If UA can fill their planes at that price, good for them. But considering how tough it has been for airlines to do ANY kind of a price increase unless they all do it, I hope it doesn't hurt them in the end.
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