Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6581 times:
Oh eck, who's bnright idea was this. Is this because they cant get their hands on another 332?? So we can expect TCX using the 763 for long hauls. I feel a tech delay and a case of DVT coming on as we speak!
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 2): Oh eck, who's bnright idea was this. Is this because they cant get their hands on another 332?? So we can expect TCX using the 763 for long hauls.
No it's because of the well publicised merger between Thomas Cook and MyTravel.
Thomas Cook will be the surviving airline brand so the aircraft are being progressivley repainted.
Since Thomas Cook have a large 757 fleet, retaining the 767s makes far more sense for the combined airline than they did as the sole Boeings in the all-Airbus MyTravel fleet.
Rdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6485 times:
Frankly if they merge the airlines as well as they did the tour operating then they are heading for disaster.The tour op merger and large numbers of flight changes could be the death of the operation as such. The travel agents and clients have had enough and they have not sourced the staffing correctly for this and we have not yet got into the season I believe it will and in tears and the " Bankers" from Germany will not be amused when the business does not come up to scratch. It is interesting that the staff seem to be able to do some of the job but they have no idea how it will all work. i beleive we will see massive cancellation of flights from the Summer programme to Europe and so next winter will bring a much smaller flying programme and many aircraft returned from whence they came.
I believe both aircraft will be running short-haul flights from Manchester this summer - the combined A330 fleet being large enough to cope with the long-haul work.
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4): One thing being nostagic another doing a shift on an old 763 when competitors like FCA are ripping out seat rows!!
I know what the competition are doing, I worked for AMM/FCA for 3 years during the changeover from old to new config on the 767s - the old one was bearable and not as bad as people make out, yes the new one is a vast improvement and a major selling point.
As far as I'm aware Thomas Cook will introduce a 33" pitch on the A330s this summer but retain the 3-3-3 cross-section.
Incidentally the most comfortable seating in the UK charter market is found on the 757s!
DLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3618 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6460 times:
Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 7): The travel agents and clients have had enough and they have not sourced the staffing correctly for this and we have not yet got into the season I believe it will and in tears and the " Bankers" from Germany will not be amused when the business does not come up to scratch
Would you like to buy a comma?
Sorry, but I can't make heads or tails out of this one.
Sunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1760 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6460 times:
This is why I got out of MyTravel when I did, and thankfully I didn't get winter work as a rep with them. I have a feeling Tui will by Thomas Cook within the next five years. If not the whole company, then just the UK arm of the company. As far as I'm aware, TCX don't make as much profit as what MYT did, therefore, I can see another buyout coming on.
Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6460 times:
I wouldnt out it past TCX to sub some long hauls to the 763 or see them operating the odd Sanford flight. I think thats pretty shabby when both TOM and FCA have revamped pitch in their 763s, so TCX will be alone in the pitch now offered in the 763.
Boeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6252 times:
Original post got deleted so I'll repost it...
If TCX were to use a 763 vice A330 (in other words use a short-haul config a/c in place of a long-haul config a/c) they wouldn't be the first charter carrier to do so. Monarch were doing it up until a few years ago by sending an A300 vice A330 to SFB. I'm not sure if they still do now if they're pushed for their A330s and/or their sole 767 G-DIMB (which incidentally is ex-MyTravel).
If anyone is bothered about the prospect of a 767 being sent on a long-haul job vice A330, may I suggest that they write a letter to Thomas Cook and ask them what they intend to do when one of their A330s goes tech and they have no other long-haul config aircraft sitting around to cover the flight. Yes it is an inconvenience if you've paid for a Premium seat with all the frills only for the aircraft to be replaced with an aircraft of an all-Y config (and I would be asking for my money back if it happened to me), but airlines reserve the right to alter aircraft on routes at short notice and only have a requirement to fly passengers from A to B on the date specified. Just a shame that some airlines change aircraft more often than others and have had their reputations hit for it. *cough* Flyglobespan *cough*.
Also with the TCX 767s I was under the impression that they were going to be leaving the fleet upon the merger. What's the story behind that then, or was it a pack of lies?
LS051P From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6214 times:
Whats with all the hostality towards TCX/MYT? My personal experience of both has been very good. I'm not sure what the tour operator problems are, I have 3 current bookings, (all Airtours) one made pre merger which i'm going on next week, and two made on the Airtours booking system post system migration. I as a customer has had no inconvenience at all. The bookings were made via my local going places (changed to Thomas Cook by the time I went to go pay the second instalment). We recieved a letter from Thomas Cook stating the merger etc, nothing has changed for us apart from our flight operator has changed from bmi to TCX from Leeds Bradford. No problems at all! The merger of the airlines is virtually done. As of the start of April all aircraft will be in TCX livery, use TCX flight numbers, be on MYT's AOC and have MYTs call sign 'kestrel' All of those are virtually done bar the aicraft in TCX colours and the flight numbers.
Regarding the comments on financial performance for the Thomas Cook Group, the group made a profit of €375 million ending October 2007!
As has been mentioned, the B767-300 will be used on Short Haul only from MAN. Currently they have a configuration of 30 premium and 267 Economy. It unavoidable that they may be used for tech A330's, but honestly its not really a big deal, after all all UK charter airlines were flying with cramped conditions for long haul a few years ago, and in reality the seating would be only 1/2 inches difference, comparable to BA long haul!!! I'd much rather be on a 767 than a 737 that globespan use!
TCX's A330s will have 45 premium and 274 economy(33") for the summer season. This is comparable to TOM/FCA. FCA's in 63 premium and 195 economy.
The ex MYT 767's were due to leave the fleet for summer 08 but there leases were to expire around June, right in the middle of the summer season so the decision was to keep them on for summer 08, however it is not decided what wil happen for 2009. As has been also mentioned, it is liekly that there will be a reduced flying programme next year as it was a push to have it ready for S08. The Thomas Cok Group has clearly stated that they intend to reduce holidays to Spain and Canaries due to over capacity and increase nice markets like China, India and Egypt.
There will be exciting times ahead for the company, of course there will be challenges. We have to bear in mind that the new company has brought the best element of both MYT and TCX together and from what I have experienced it will be a nice, efficient airline. Just my
Boeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6128 times:
Quoting LS051P (Reply 16): after all all UK charter airlines were flying with cramped conditions for long haul a few years ago,
Indeed. I remember flying on the 767-300 with Airtours back in 2001 MAN-MBJ-MAN, and it was very cramped.
Thanks for the insight LS051P. I certainly have nothing against TCX having flown on them a few times (and on their sole 753s a few times) and can't fault the service.
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 17): . Im afraid i dont agree re the merger between MYT and TCX, I think it has reduced customer choice and competition in the market place
It certainly has, but considering that it's a declining part of the industry it was in the best interests of both companies to merge, just like with First Choice and TUI. The alternative would've been to see both companies eventually downsize massively and/or even go out of business. The MyTravel Group nearly went bust five years ago and had to downsize their group-wide operations which meant that, just before the merger, they had returned to profitability so therefore they were very attractive for any company looking to do a merger.
A similar thing exists in the USA where Delta - once in Chapter 11 but now out of it - are constantly the target for other airlines with regards to a possible merger. The common factor between Delta and MyTravel is that they both had to change in order to survive (even though they are two completely different kettles of fish) and if either corporation wasn't in a good state then they wouldn't be merging with other companies.
Unless you've got deep pockets, nobody wants to merge with a loss-making/failing company, and you would have a hard time convincing directors and shareholders otherwise.
Just about everything in resort is TCX, Airtours has just about been rubbed out. This week and next week sees new reps being placed into their summer resorts, so it might not run as smoothly as you think.
EXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5967 times:
I remeber flying Airtours LGW - PUJ - LGW in 98 and MAN - VRA - MAN in 2000. I can remember that even though I was only 8 or 9, that the room you had was very very small. I also remember that PUJ was during some kind of water poisoning scare so there were only maybe 50 people on the 763, and I slept across the 4 centre seats.
AF BE BY FR MV PD SZ U2 VZ DHC6, 8-3/4Q, 732/8, 763ER, A319, A380
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3102 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5805 times:
I think that 763 looks great in the new TCX livery, its a shame to too them only being limited to short haul services as they are such a capable aircraft. But it will allow the airline to fly larger numbers of passengers in one go to the Mediteranean, where they have previously not had this sort of capacity available.
Also as mentioned, it gives the airline the back-up if one of the 332's goes tech to operate the longer routes. Monarch did a similar thing a couple of seasons ago when one of their 332's at MAN suffered a tail strike and they used the A300's to cover the long haul routes, while the repairs took place...
If, in due course TCX do not find the 763's suitable for their fleet, their sister airline Condor may like them, as they already fly the 763's.
I'll try not to turn it into a moan, but while TCX increase legroom to 33 inches, I really do wish they turned them into 2-4-2 seating abreast. If they were to do this, I suppose the cost would be tremendous, as they would have to purchase new wider seats for passengers to notice the difference. Where they can atleast now reuse the same seats and just dispose of the few, from the rows they are removing!