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Boeing Unveils Tri Engined Flying Wing  
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Boeing released a picutre of its future 800 seat airliner, its a tri yes! Tri enginged flying wing, ugly yet surprisingly quite attractive too, the wings are blended into the fuselage if you can all it that, gone is the familair tubular cabin, most of the people will NOT be seated near windows instead the a/c has cameras at the end of each winglet to show whats happening outside, the a/c is also a double decker and cruises at the same height and speed as the present day 747-400, Boeing said the plave could become operational in ten years time, for all of us who cry over bad liveries theres sad news, the a/c has no tail all it can support are logos on the winglets which are almost tail size as for a fuselage colour scheme i think we should forget that can you imagine a stealth bomber in a paint scheme, the picture was released by Agence France Press(AFP) yesterday in a local newspaper, any one know any thing more about it? have pictures to post Confused


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User currently offlineKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 669 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

Well here are some websites about the BWB. http://members.home.net/rebid/bldwing.htm
http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/BWB.html

Here are some pictures.




KLM747 Big grin


User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8842 times:

Hummm interesting. there was a large article about this jet in the Montreal Gazette yesterday too..the picture was slightly different than what is shown above.. the engines were mounted ontop but were in more traditinal engine casings..

This is not a new idea. Airbus also has a version of this. Go to Flug Revue's website http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRH0101/FR0101in.htm and check out their version. They seem very unusual and make me wonder a few things..

1. Will people like sitting in an environment with no access to natural light?
2. How will airports support such a wide aircraft body? Traditional boarding gates would be useless.
3. How would the manufacturer "stretch" or 'shorten" this model if they were to make a variant?
4. Can traditional runways handle such a jet? ie: will the landing gear still be within the traditional underbelly or wider? If it isn't more widely spaced it will likely look strange on the ground. (not that that matters)
5. With exits only on the front and back of the wings what happens when people have to escape during an emergency? Will it be easier or more difficult.. the wings will include the fuel I presume.
6. lastly.. will thegeneral public accept this. In the gazette article they say this is Boeing's biggest hurdle since the technology for this exists with th B-2 bomber.


User currently offlineKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 669 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8801 times:

1. I did see a BWB with some windows on it, so I guess there will be a little light.
2. I have also heard that the wings fold up and will be about the same span as a 777.

KLM747 Big grin


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8782 times:

Whats the wingspan on that thing?


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User currently offlineKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 669 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

As envisioned, the BWB wingspan would be 67 feet wider than a Boeing 747-400, which would still allow use of existing runways and taxiways.

KLM747 Big grin


User currently offlineEalsys1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

The Miami Herald published an article in yesterday's (2/10/01) business section regarding the blended wing concept (787??) It seems Boeing is concerned that passengers would not like the fact that most seats would be inside seats (few windows!) and is conducting focus groups to gauge consumer acceptance to this concept. Their solution would be seatback TV's for everyone providing entertainment as well as views of the outside! In my opinion, I like window seats and watching the world below. I think the A380 would eat the Blended Wing concept for lunch!

Sam



User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

I doubt this will ever make it into production!! But if it does that would be awesome!!!

Ren41


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8737 times:

I personally have no intrest what so ever of flying isolated inside the wing of an aircraft in a 20-40-20 configuration. Sorry. This concpet is too far ahead of it's time. If it offered speed advantage, then, yes, I would take the sacrifice, but this plane (787?) is no faster than a 744. I'll take the A380, thank you.


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User currently offlineEalsys1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

I wonder if Boeing checks out these forums for reactions to their concepts???

Sam


User currently offlineCaravelle From Norway, joined Aug 2000, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8737 times:

Don't think so....

- Caravelle



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User currently offlineEalsys1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8729 times:

Would be pretty funny huh!!

User currently offlineCaravelle From Norway, joined Aug 2000, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

...yup. But they don't....

- caravelle



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User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

The idea of the blended wing body was pioneered by Burnelli in the '20s, but the idea was suppressed by not only the US government, but also Boeing and Douglas. Burnelli's blended wing body aircraft were safer in a crash than any airliner design of the time, and they were more efficient, providing higher lift, better passenger and cargo space (inside a SQUARE, rather than rounded, fuselage) and overall better economy. The reason for the suppression of the ideas and designs of Burnelli were very similar to the Big Three putting the Tucker Company out of business in the '40s - too many revolutionary ideas, too much catching up to do, and too much money would have had to have been spent on completely new designs.

It's interesting that now, Boeing is using an amazing design idea developed in the early part of the 20th Century to create an airliner which will surpass everything else in the sky today and for many years to come. In actuality, we have Boeing to thank in part for the relatively inefficient, comparably unsafe aircraft which have been plying the skies for the past 80 years.

Do a web search on Burnelli and see what information is there. It's pretty sobering.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8686 times:

BWB's are the future of airplanes. I'm sure Boeing will find a way to compensate for loss the of windows. Sunroofs maybe?

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8667 times:

All studies and realisations of Flying wings so far have ended in desaster.
I´m not curious in flying such a thing without windows. How will you evacuate it? I guess it will be claustrophobic and I don´t believe in the future of the BWB.
But it looks very interesting. No doubt.


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8661 times:

OH GOD!!! PANIC ATTACK & CLAUSTROPHOBIA are the first words that come to mind seeing the interior, I was picturing oceanliner type settings Smile give me the A380 any time and like Caribb I also saw a different picture in the "DAWN" here in Karachi with the traditional engines mounted on pylons, how can Boeing say its going to be flying in ten years Confused


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User currently offlineAirbusDriver From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

i thinks it's a good idea but i don't think that we'll see something like that in 10 year maybe in 50.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8647 times:

Personally, I think Boeing right now is already talking with a number of airlines about the possibility of the BWB jet airliner.

I mean, look at the potential advantages:

1. It takes up less ramp space than a 777-200ER, if you include folding wings.

2. Because the shape is a natural lifting body design, the BWB will likely not need the long runway requirements of the A380.

3. The plane has 15-20% better seat mile costs than even the A380. This means we could carry 800 pax from JFK to HKG easily.

4. The interior design allows for considerable flexibility in placement of seating and lounge areas.

I think Boeing very serious about this, and they could announce the start of the project within 2-3 years.


User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Despite my reservations posted earlier I still would like to see this and Airbus' version built. They would be the most unusual planes in the skies. I suppose the only advantage to it's design would be technical and through cost savings resulting in lower airfares. Other than that why do this? If you look at the drawing in he first reply at the top it shows 5 separate double decker cabins, one on each side of the plane. Each one is a 'narrow body" concept.. Isn't that abit of a step backwards. I prefer a widebody interior over a narrow body especially on long flights. Wouldn't it be ironic building the widest plane in existance and still stick people in a tubular environement.. they still have some work to do.

User currently offlineFP_v2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

In thing the BWB idea blows. Just imagine sitting at the airport watching huge wings, how boring would that be.

User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

with 25% fuel savings this thing IS going to fly. The B-2 flies. Northrup tried this 50 years ago and suffered crashes and setbacks..but some political. As Ilyushin96M pointd out the idea goes back before this. Its an idea not of the future per se, but one that has been held back. Its high time it was tried. Boeing should go for broke on this. If it works, and MegaBus(t) will be obsolete over night.

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5090 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8595 times:

Can't wait for the new Boeing!!!!!


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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8577 times:


I don't know exactly why Boeing (and to a lesser extent Airbus) is now floating the idea of BWB. The reason current airliners are in the current shape is that the shape is most economical. BWB has lower fuel costs, but its overall economics are not very good. If there has been some kind of technical breakthrough lately that has changed this, I don't know.



User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

Interesting concept. I hope the pressurization problems can be sorted, because the current design is not only looks claustrophobic, but I also wonder how you'd evacuate the thing in an emergency. It might be possible to hang TV screens in the sidewalls with views of the outside as a means of remedying the claustrophobia if they have to go with the compartments, but I hope they find a way around this.

The whole idea is intreguing. I hope they continue to develop it.

In terms of Boeing reading our responses, Phil Condit may not necessarily read them, but I do know of at least one Boeing engineer on this forum. You never know...

Charles, SJ



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25 Prebennorholm : What makes this plane possible, I think, will be artificial latheral- and pitch stability - like on the Northrop B-2A. It was lack of those stabilitie
26 B787 : we are always on the look out for customer and the flying publics opinion
27 Widebody : In an article I read today, Boeing said it could fly in 3 years....that to me showed what a farce this BWB is.....it will fly, I have no doubt, but in
28 Redngold : I'm very claustrophobic in airplanes and prefer a window seat so I can see what's outside. Aside from the design of the a/c I could easily see the air
29 Post contains images DesertJets : The cross-sectional diagrams that were posted make this plane look horrible. One of the benefits of the blended wing is that you can really create a v
30 Hkgspotter1 : Well I'll never see a B2 at CLK but I might get to see the passenger version !!! No windows is not for me.
31 EssentialPowr : Hey Preben, Did ya change your mind? No harm in that... Your quote from Sep 07, 2000, Re: New 3 Engine A/C: "No really new tri-jet has been designed i
32 N-156F : I say this BWB thing looks like the airliner revolution Boeing needs. I like the design, but how commercially viable is it? I'll wait until I hear lot
33 Post contains links Prebennorholm : Dear EssentialPowr, Yeah, I have changed my mind in some respects. The thread from last September was mainly about traditional 3 engined planes like D
34 Post contains images OH-LGA : My main concerns would definately be the evaculation of the aircraft in an emergency and the lack of windows. Besides the thing looks ugly anyways I l
35 EssentialPowr : My only point is that, frankly, a/c design can be as unique as just about any art form. Engine #? Whatever the mission dictates... There is a current
36 EssentialPowr : Oops, I forgot my summary... If a bomber a/c can make effective use of a blended wing design, then it is certainly possible to make a viable BWB comme
37 EssentialPowr : One other thing- It was Jack, not John, ANd I checked out the Zagi page - that's pretty cool! See ya
38 EssentialPowr : Post, PS With regard to lack of stability, a conventionally tailed (T or cruciform) a/c can exhibit some nasty characteristics. The 727 has 2 yaw damp
39 Gearup : Hey picture this, You are sitting in the Boeing Blended wing at cruise speed and altitude. You are in a seat at the very outside of the aircraft neare
40 N766AS : OK... this is just another classic example of the media blowing something up. The initial report was from KING-TV here in Seattle a couple weeks ago (
41 D L X : Gearup, that is a "Gold Star Idea" as my former professor would say. Thinking about it, you would get 4 times the "rotational force" as you do in a cu
42 NUair : Strange board! I think if they had a board like this before the release of the first 747 it would be very similar. Clausterphobia? I guess nobody has
43 Post contains images Rickster : Hey why claustrophobic, flying in this plane would be nothing else then spending 10 hrs or more in a movie theater with dolby sr, except turbulances w
44 Cfalk : I seem to remember seeing some old (I think) Northrop pictures depicting the cabin of a flying wing passenger plane. The leading edge wing would have
45 767ALLTHEWAY : Compared to the twin engine airliners of today... I think Boeings design is to radical, How would say and airline like AA put its paint job on this as
46 NUair : I don't think any airlines will have any problems finding something to put on a huge flying bilboard or the space to put it on. I don't think that air
47 B727 : Gearup hit the nail right on the head, with people sitting so far from the centerline they will be up and down through the entire flight (like a small
48 Aa737 : From the look of those pictures in one of the first replies, it doesn't look like people will be sitting way at the end of the wings. Yes it will be a
49 RIX : Well, it is a problem, and recently there was a link in some other thread here with explanation what can be done with it. I always try to get a window
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