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LHR Airline Terminal Changes - T5 For BA  
User currently offlineWoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

so the Queen has opened T5. the pics and reports are impressive but i am wondering have the termnial changes been decided yet. i can't find any info and thought this place would have the answers:-

1. is the whole of BA taking T5 or just BA longhaul?
2. who is going to t4?
3. is it being decided on longhaul/shorthaul basis like present?

an idea i had would be to put alliances at certain terminals eg star alliance at t4....would that work.

i am interested to see what is going to happen

thank
T

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User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

This has been discussed on here a number of times..... but essentially:

BA moves to T5 less flights operated by 757 a/c (Spain/Portugal + HEL & I think NCE) and JSA routes (BKK/SIN/SYD) which will move to T3 (the logic is that these are parallel routes with code-share operators like IB, AY & QF and because BA's shorthaul operation in T5 will be containerised, which the 757s aren't).

oneworld will be in T3 as will VS, EK and possibly some of the other non-aligned carriers.
SkyTeam go to T4
Star go to T1

T2 gets vacated and demolished and the new Terminal East project will start being built there.


User currently offlineBigpappa From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4305 times:

Hi

According to wiki:

After Terminal 5 opens British Airways will vacate Terminals 1 and 4. Flights to and from Bangkok, Singapore, Sydney, Madrid, Barcelona, Helsinki, Lisbon, Nice and Algiers will operate from Terminal 3. All other flights will transfer to Terminal 5, which will be exclusively used by British Airways.

The remaining terminal capacity will be reallocated between the other airlines, grouping the airlines together by airline alliance in order to reduce transfer times for passengers.
The allocation of terminals to alliances will be:

Oneworld, Aer Lingus, and Virgin Atlantic Airways - Terminal 3
SkyTeam and non-aligned - Terminal 4
Star Alliance - Terminal 1 and subsequently Heathrow East



one good flight deserves another!!!!
User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4255 times:

Is this re-allocation going to take place in the next few weeks, months or over the course of 2008-2009? There doesn't seem to be a defined time frame for this re-allocation.

I'm flying on Aer Lingus to LHR in May. Would I still be in T1 or moved to T3? It seems more sensible to keep all UK/Ireland flights under one roof, ¿no?

Also I'm flying BA to HKG (so clearly it would Terminal 5). Surprising I haven't seen this move posted at Aerlingus.com just yet.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11754 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4230 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 3):
Is this re-allocation going to take place in the next few weeks, months or over the course of 2008-2009? There doesn't seem to be a defined time frame for this re-allocation.

Certain airlines have firm move dates, whereas others are more fuzzy at this point.

The oneworld airlines that are moving all have firm move dates:


— Operations to consolidate from across four existing terminals to just two

— Passengers to benefit from state-of-the-art facilities and smooth transfers

— Moves in phases starting 27 March and completed early 2009

Member airlines of the oneworld® alliance that will change locations at London Heathrow this year all confirmed today the schedule for their moves and minimum connection times at the airport resulting from the moves.

The changes will result in the eight oneworld airlines that serve the airport consolidating their operations from across all four of the existing terminals into just two terminals at the alliance's main European hub.

Between them, these airlines account for more than 50 per cent of Heathrow's traffic with around 35 million passengers a year travelling on around 700 departures and arrivals a day.

British Airways, for which London Heathrow is its home base, will consolidate more than 90 per cent of its operations at the airport into the new GBP4.3 billion (US$8.6 billion) Terminal 5 (T5), in two phases, on 27 March and 30 April.

Its remaining Heathrow operations will move, alongside those of all other oneworld airlines serving the airport, into Terminal 3, which is the closest of the existing terminals to Terminal 5. These British Airways Terminal 3 moves will take place on 17 September and in early 2009.

oneworld partners American Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Japan Airlines and Royal Jordanian are already based at Terminal 3. Finnair will move there from Terminal 1 and Iberia from Terminal 2, also on 17 September, with Qantas following from Terminal 4 in early 2009.

Terminal 3 is undergoing a massive GBP 1 billion (US$2 billion) improvement programme to bring it up to standards similar to the Terminal 5, so all oneworld airlines at Heathrow will be able to offer their customers a state-of-the-art passenger experience whether they are flying to or from London, or transferring there between oneworld airline flights.

Connections between all oneworld member airlines' flights in Terminals 3 and 5 will be as smooth and seamless as possible. A state-of-the-art underground baggage system to be built in a tunnel under the airport's taxiways by 2011 will improve transfers between Terminals 3 and 5 still further.

The terminal moves will take place on the following dates:

27 March: 70 per cent of British Airways' Heathrow flights will move to Terminal 5 including:

* All longhaul flights from Terminal 1 (serving Hong Kong, Johannesburg, Los Angeles, Tokyo Narita, San Francisco and Vancouver).
* All UK domestic flights from Terminal 1.
* All shorthaul flights from Terminal 1 (except for Barcelona, Helsinki, Lisbon, Madrid and Nice)
* All shorthaul flights from Terminal 4.
* Miami flights, which currently operate from Terminal 3.

29 March: American Airlines transfers its Raleigh/Durham route and one of its two daily Dallas/Fort Worth flights from London Gatwick to London Heathrow Terminal 3. This will increase American's Heathrow operations to 17 departures a day to seven USA gateways.

30 March: British Airways moves its daily Dallas/Fort Worth flight and twice-daily Houston service from London Gatwick to London Heathrow Terminal 5.

30 April: A further 20 per cent of British Airways' Heathrow flights move to Terminal 5, including longhaul flights currently operating at Terminal 4 (eg New York, Washington, Delhi and Cape Town) with the exception of flights operated as part of the code-share agreement with Qantas (Bangkok, Singapore, Sydney).

17 September:

* British Airways flights serving Barcelona, Madrid, Lisbon, Nice and Helsinki move from Terminal 1 to Terminal 3.
* Finnair's Heathrow flights move from Terminal 1 to Terminal 3.
* Iberia's Heathrow flights move from Terminal 2 to Terminal 3. Iberia's sister airline ClickAir (which is not part of oneworld) also moves at this time.

Early in 2009 (on a date to be finalised soon):

* British Airways flights serving Bangkok, Singapore, Sydney (operated with QF code-share) move from Terminal 4 to Terminal 3.
* Qantas flights move from Terminal 4 to Terminal 3.

British Airways says its new Terminal 5 base will "restore the prestige of the UK's national hub and set standards of passenger comfort and convenience which will surpass those of its European rivals at Paris Charles De Gaulle, Amsterdam Schiphol and Frankfurt".

It is investing GBP60 million (US$120 million) there in what will be the world's largest suite of airline lounges, "setting new standards in comfort and luxury" for its First, Club World, Club Europe and Gold and Silver Executive Club customers and oneworld Emerald and Sapphire equivalents.

British Airways will also be opening new lounges for its First and Business Class passengers at Terminal 3, to be used also by Qantas' premium passengers, and available also to premium passengers flying with Finnair and Iberia, along with top-tier cardholders from all oneworld airline frequent flyer programmes. American Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Japan Airlines will retain their own lounges at Terminal 3.

In total, 50 of the 90 or so airlines serving Heathrow will move terminals in a series of moves starting with British Airways' first move to Terminal 5 on 27 March.


User currently onlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4114 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 3):
'm flying on Aer Lingus to LHR in May. Would I still be in T1 or moved to T3?

Since Aer Lingus has withdrawn from Oneworld, it doesn't seem clear if they will now remain at T1. Best option would be to call them directly and check.


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4041 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 3):
I'm flying on Aer Lingus to LHR in May. Would I still be in T1 or moved to T3? It seems more sensible to keep all UK/Ireland flights under one roof, ¿no?

Not really. BA will have its domestic flights using the same departure lounge than intl flights. With these new biometric checks UK/Ireland flights can be operated anywhere at the airport.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 3):
I haven't seen this move posted at Aerlingus.com just yet.

I think the last info regarding aer lingus was published when it was part of oneworld. The are now part of any alliance now and according to BAA's master reallocation plan aer lingus should go to T4, but I expect BAA will be more flexible with allocations putting non-aligned airlines along the ones they cooperate with, no matter what alliance. Examples would be aer lingus, Egyptair, Virgin, Turkish Airlines and Clickair, being the latter already confirmed at T3 along with Iberia. Also T3 will be a wildcard as by the moment, it's the only terminal with A380 gates. I don't see SQ and EK willing to leave T3 until more A380 gates are built at other terminals.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
Certain airlines have firm move dates, whereas others are more fuzzy at this point.

Even airlines with firm move dates can become more fuzzy overnight, like you can see below. BA (and IB, AY and QF) had fixed dates for their move from T1/T4 to T3 but has been delayed to September and a yet non-fixed date early in 2009

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
30 March: British Airways moves its daily Dallas/Fort Worth flight and twice-daily Houston service from London Gatwick to London Heathrow Terminal 5.

Even though this info got published last month, it has changed. DFW and IAH will move from LGW to Terminal 4 and will move later to T5 with the bunch of longhauls on 30 April.

To complete even more the info you've published about oneworld, i'm going to quote something LHR777 posted here What Date Is Terminal 2 At Heathrow Closing? (by 8herveg Mar 4 2008 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 13):
Phase 6/7
T2 - Handled by AFSL to T4 - 21st October 2008
T2 - Handled by AZ Airports to T4 - 23rd October 2008
T2 - Handled by Globe Ground to T4 - 24th October 2008



User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

If EI trandsfer to T3 what will happen to arriving passengers who, at the moment, do not need to pass through imigration ?

I can't imagine that T3 will be adapted for flights from the the Republic of Ireland


User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4011 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 3):
I'm flying on Aer Lingus to LHR in May. Would I still be in T1 or moved to T3? It seems more sensible to keep all UK/Ireland flights under one roof, ¿no?

No, terminal allocation is based on allliance affiliation (or lack of).

However, if you take a look at the BAA LHR Timetable for, say, Dublin, you'll see that the EI flights will remain in T1 for the time being.

Riv'



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User currently onlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3903 times:



Quoting Aisak (Reply 6):

Even though this info got published last month, it has changed. DFW and IAH will move from LGW to Terminal 4 and will move later to T5 with the bunch of longhauls on 30 April.

I think that there was an error in that release. AFAIK, the DFW and IAH flights were always planned to move to T4 for the first month before going to T5.


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