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AF 090 CDG-MIA Mechanical Problems 17 Mar 08?  
User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Apparently, AF 090 returned back to Paris and might not make it to MIA today do to mechanical problems. Anyone know anything or have any info in France?

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

AF090 (a B744 F-GEXA) returned to Paris because of mechanial problems.
The flight AF090 to MIA left again CDG tonight at 8:30PM.


User currently offlineDerstatic From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Was the same with AF1251 CPH-CDG today. Apparently it returned to CPH twice because of "technical incidents" any news on this?

User currently offlineTim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4709 times:

AF090/17MAR also returned TWICE. The 8:30pm departure was the third try.

1st departure 11:01am
1st return 1:08pm
2nd departure 5:51pm
2nd return 6:18pm
3rd departure 8:34pm
FAA estimates runway arrival in MIA at 1:09am (10 hours delay)

My parents are on that flight and I'll have to wait to pick them up.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4612 times:



Quoting Tim171080 (Reply 3):
AF090/17MAR also returned TWICE. The 8:30pm departure was the third try.

Wow, that is insane. I was at MIA today and AF was trying to route pax thru DL/AZ/CO.

Anyone know what the mechanical problem is precisely. I mean three tries, yikes! Wonder what pax on board are saying?


User currently offlineTim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

I am gonna tell you in approx. 1 hour, I am off to the airport right now to pick up my party.
AF 090 is touching down as I write, I hope someone is still awake at immigration to process the PAX of a full 744...


User currently offlineTim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Alright, so here's the explanation for the huge delay.

The aircraft never actually left the ground!

Standing on the runway at about 11am, ready for take off, the captain noticed a problem with a fuel line for either one of the starbordside engines. They returned to the apron, where the aircraft was repaired for several hours with passengers on board.
During that period, 7 passengers left the aircraft, probably most of them first and business class passengers already having missed their meeting in Miami.
Rolling back to the runway at about 5pm, the captain made an anouncement, that most of the problem was fixed, only a few normally automatic functions would have to be handled manually. My parents couldnt hear what the exact function they were talking about was, because the end of the announcement got lost in the mutiny of about half of the passengers. About 50% of the passenger were voluntarily disembarked, and their baggage was removed from the belly compartment.
At some point the crew was replaced, which caused another 1hr delay.
The first real take-off occured on 8:34pm. AF090 then safely landed in MIA at 12:40am on March 18th.
During this 19 hour odysee, there was no inflight entertainment, all monitors were broken.

[Edited 2008-03-18 01:18:54]

User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4326 times:



Quoting Tim171080 (Reply 6):
The first real take-off occured on 8:34pm. AF090 then safely landed in MIA at 12:40am on March 18th.
During this 19 hour odysee, there was no inflight entertainment, all monitors were broken.

Wow, what is up with AF. Dirty airplanes, seats with no seatbacks (when I flew them a couple of month ago on their A320) - Is all this buying of airlines beginning to show its ugly head? Those planes are quickly becoming troublesome!


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4231 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 7):
Wow, what is up with AF. Dirty airplanes, seats with no seatbacks (when I flew them a couple of month ago on their A320) - Is all this buying of airlines beginning to show its ugly head? Those planes are quickly becoming troublesome!

It's not only AF, look at the trip report section to the one on LH's FRA-CCS



744,742,741,772,773,762,732,735,738,752,727,717,DC10,DC9,M82,M87,319,320,321,343,346,L1011,CRJ2,CRJ9,E190,ATR42,DSH8,
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

I can tell you in Paris questions are being asked as to why the world's highest revenue airline conglomerate can't maintain their planes to avoid embarrassing episodes like this. The 747's are seen as non-premium Caribbean workhorses and perhaps are showing the strain. The premium routes (3 classes) are all 77W or 772 now. A343's for the longer, thinner routes and 74's for the bulk markets.

Premium carriers such as QF and AF can't afford these types of incident and maintain their brand positioning. They had better wake up and smell the coffee in my view.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

This type of incident happen almost everyday with all kind of airlines ... Come on ! today, it makes the news with AF, yesterday it was BA or LH, and tomorrow it will be someone else, Big Major or medium National airline.
Those problems are more or less well managed by the Airlines but it has nothing to do with AF, BA, LH, Maintenance, Boeing or Airbus or who knows what ! It just happens. It happened before, and will happen again.
And it's better to take off, safe, with 8 hours delay than taking off on time and finish your trip on the Atlantic ocean.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4033 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 7):
seats with no seatbacks

It was just a seat cushion?



You can't cure stupid
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3991 times:



Quoting Tim171080 (Reply 6):
Standing on the runway at about 11am, ready for take off, the captain noticed a problem with a fuel line for either one of the starbordside engines. They returned to the apron, where the aircraft was repaired for several hours with passengers on board.

That pilot is good, identified a fuel line problem while sitting in the flight station? Maybe fuel flow problem?


User currently offlineTim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

This is an AP article on that flight, published by Forbes.com, Bloomberg.com among others.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/03/18/ap4788432.html


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3775 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):

It was just a seat cushion?

YES! Believe it or not! At least no one was assigned to the seat!!!!


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

I agree with FlySSC that this incident-as embarrassing and painful it is for the passengers involved- does not reflect the overall quality of service and technical reliability of AF/KLM operations. With hundreds of flights operated each day uneventful, all large network-carriers find themselves confronted with punctual incidents.They are a pain in the neck for all involved -but the law of the big numbers just make those incidents happen.
Many a.netters love to pick on AF - so be it - I also criticize them for true reasons; but this last incident is a just unfortunate part of the operations .
AF has also advised they would of course compensate passengers involved .



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