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User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

Looks like they will offer buy outs to F/A . Mechanics . ACS . any non pilot job that has over 29.5 years Seniority and is at least 52 years old. Has an opportunity for a 5 or 5 plan plus flt benifits and $200 a month medical cost if you retire between April 1st and June 1st of 2008.

Looks like some cuts are on the way...

Also according to Delta ALPA chairmain the merger is pretty much dead unless they want it without a pilot agreement.

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/....html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10582 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10478 times:

Just make sure that if you take the early out, you get the terms and promises in writing. Don't make the mistake that some of us did. My health premiums have gone from zero to over $400 a month in three years.


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10326 times:



Quoting Rumorboy (Thread starter):
Looks like they will offer buy outs to F/A . Mechanics . ACS . any non pilot job that has over 29.5 years Seniority and is at least 52 years old. Has an opportunity for a 5 or 5 plan plus flt benifits and $200 a month medical cost if you retire between April 1st and June 1st of 2008.

If your source for this is the rumor on Yahoo! message boards (always a good source... sarcastic ...) you need to take it with many grains of salt.

Nothing has been proposed yet.


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

I wonder how this affect work that is contracted out. Obviously DL can't force labor cuts directly for contractors, but if they reduce flights to a certain station, the station may cut back.

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10228 times:

With all of the changes in the industry, they will have no problem finding employees who fit the profile, and anxious to take a voluntary separation package.


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10582 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10183 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
I wonder how this affect work that is contracted out. Obviously DL can't force labor cuts directly for contractors, but if they reduce flights to a certain station, the station may cut back.

At some point, I would hope that Delta could see that contracting is not the be all and end all to solve their staffing problems.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10163 times:



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 4):
With all of the changes in the industry, they will have no problem finding employees who fit the profile, and anxious to take a voluntary separation package.

That's not necessarily true.

US had to offer nine (yes, nine) voluntary furlough programs, plus another two voluntary separation programs, before it got the flight attendant count where they wanted it.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2600 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9980 times:

I think they will have a hard time finding many takers. The last go around the same group was targeted. Most that stayed are doubtfully going to bite this time. Alot of those age 52 plus can't afford to walk away. The economy sucks so finding another job would be tough.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12147 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9926 times:
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Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 7):
I think they will have a hard time finding many takers. The last go around the same group was targeted. Most that stayed are doubtfully going to bite this time. Alot of those age 52 plus can't afford to walk away. The economy sucks so finding another job would be tough.

You hit the nail on the head. Maybe if DL offered this even 6 months ago it might have been more successful then what it will generate today.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9661 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9524 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
Obviously DL can't force labor cuts directly for contractors,

Yes they can.....They still own OH.



yep.
User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3094 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9446 times:

Not a good time to be an airline enthusiast.... Let alone an employee (God bless 'em).


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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9188 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9219 times:

Not a good time for anyone in this economy, airline and otherwise, the wealthy seem to do all right.


It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9133 times:



Quoting Rumorboy (Thread starter):
Has an opportunity for a 5 or 5 plan plus flt benifits and $200 a month medical cost if you retire between April 1st and June 1st of 2008.

Is it 2008 or 2009?? April 1st/08 is only 2 weeks away. Pretty short time frame to hammer out the numbers and detrmine ones' future.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9041 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 10):
Not a good time to be an airline enthusiast.... Let alone an employee (God bless 'em).

Gordon Bethune stated in an interview a few years back before he retired from CO that he loves the industry, and that many people are also very passionate about the airline industry. However he said the glory days are gone, and that anyone who wants to work in the industry today needs to get their head examined (or something along those lines).



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8745 times:

The airline industry has always been highly cyclical but the size of the peaks and valleys is definitely larger than it used to be. Working for or investing in an airline is not for the faint of heart.

However, let's clarify that nothing has been announced at DL so the title of the thread is not correct. It is highly possible but not confirmed.

I just read something somewhere saying that some analysts are expecting that DL will do better this year than other carriers. They forecast a DL loss around $250M but AA well over $1.5B and US at $1B, IIRC. If those forecasts are true, then whatever happens in cuts at DL will be much worse elsewhere.


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8650 times:
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The bankruptcy exit strategy was based on oil priced at $60-65 a barrel, and now, just months later, it has almost doubled from there. One would imagine that many things have got to change just to hang on...

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8416 times:

...and DL's fuel assumptions were higher than other carriers at that time

here's the link to the article and the quote I referenced.

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/...3/17/delta0317.html?cxntlid=inform

Even if Baker's forecast turns out to be closer to the mark, Baker said Delta's losses this year are likely to be smaller than those reported by most other big carriers. He estimated Delta will lose roughly $280 million this year. He expects American Airlines to lose $1.8 billion, and smaller US Airways to lose nearly $1 billion.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3975 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8273 times:

You can't force anything upon labor groups with negotiated contracts. I guess the pilots won't be taking any forced contract changes... unless big D wants to negotiate. Hmmm... maybe the FA's shoulda voted in AFA years ago.

User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8042 times:
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Here we go again. Same old story. Different year.  old 

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5550 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7856 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
They forecast a DL loss around $250M but AA well over $1.5B and US at $1B, IIRC. If those forecasts are true, then whatever happens in cuts at DL will be much worse elsewhere.

Bethune, referring to CO and the other airlines in about 2003, said we are drowning in 10 feet of water, but those other guys are drowning in a hundred.

I do miss Bethune.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2366 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7726 times:



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 17):
Hmmm... maybe the FA's shoulda voted in AFA years ago.

Theres a reason they didn't, because a vast majority of Delta's F/As feel that the company treats them fairly, and for the most part, it seems they have. If DL treated its employees poorly, they would probably unionize rather quickly. BUT, DL treats them fairly so the employees are perfectly content with the present situation (no dues, good pay, fast responses to situations ("change") due to no union involvement).

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6806 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7281 times:



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 17):
Hmmm... maybe the FA's shoulda voted in AFA years ago.

And AFA did such a great job of keeping the flight attendants at the other airlines from taking pay cuts over the past seven years, right?


User currently offlineUS AIRWAYS From United States of America, joined May 1999, 432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

They're now saying they're offering to over 30,000 employees which include front-line as well as administrative and management employees. They're going to reduce capacity by 5% and hope to get at least 2,000 employees to take the severance.


Go Eagles!
User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3094 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

....The clouds gather and distant thunder rumbles.....

Guess the chance of getting additional air service at 2nd and 3rd - tier airports is pretty dismal.  Sad



Finally made it to an airline mecca!
User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5153 times:

Here is another link to an article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080318/ap_on_bi_ge/delta_jobs

Ttitle: Delta to offer severance to 30,000

Gulp!  eyepopping 



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25 Mayor : I think what they mean is that probably 30,000 employees are eligible for this and they would hope to get at least 1,300 rank and file and 700 admin a
26 ChrisNH : I agree. Up here in 'little old New Hampshire,' DL has a small station at Manchester (MHT) comprising three RJs to both CVG and ATL. That's down from
27 DTWAGENT : Well, until the oil prices comes down and we have a change in goverment (after elections) I don't see anything changing. DL is taking a proactive step
28 SLCUT2777 : To early to tell if DL is going to dump any of it's older MD-88s that are had on lease (54 total the last I checked on the company web-page for fleet
29 Luv2fly : OK what logic is it that you are proposed to lose 250M and you can use the phrase better this year than other carriers! My GOD any loss is a loss and
30 Post contains links LuiePL : It has been announced: http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/18/news...es/delta_jobs.ap/index.htm?cnn=yes I wonder if this had anything to due with the fallou
31 Bobnwa : Isn't your source a bit hazy. could you be a little more specific? Where do CO and NW fit in this forecast?
32 777fan : Given that the NW merger is all but dead, how does the latest round of cuts affect a possible merger with UA? Seems that DL's financial issues make it
33 RL757PVD : Umm... The Delta CFO said they "didnt rule out a modest profit for 2008"... is that the issue you are referring to?
34 Delta11 : So is Delta going to clean house of staff that do not fly full schedules and make a large amount of money? It seems maybe some of the senior F/A's may
35 SESGDL : Any merger issues that existed with NW will exist in any other merger. All of the union issues and seniority issues will exist with UA/CO, AA/AS, DL/
36 Post contains links Tugger : Apparently they want to shrink capacity by 10% but the part i don't get is according to the news they are hoping for 3,000 to take the buyout option t
37 Delta11 : Why cut routes, cut back on RJ routes and bring back more long haul with more seats but less times. It woudl seem cheaper to fly one 737 over 3 RJ's.
38 Bennett123 : Depends on how many transit passengers that they have.
39 DeltaRules : So which flights would tend to get cut? Mainline or RJ metal?
40 Allstarflyer : I remember down in GSP, DL was groundhandled by some outsourced company (Delta Global Services or something like that - someone help me out) - might t
41 WorldTraveler : if you read the article you will see that AA and US are both expected by THAT analyst - not me - to lose well over $1B. No loss is satisfactory but w
42 Bobnwa : I'm not talking about the AJC article. I am referring to the article below. Your reference is very vague"read something somewhere". What did that som
43 Post contains links Panamair : I believe it was from JP Morgan's airline analyst (Jamie Baker) report last week (or 2 weeks ago) when he downgraded virtually all the airlines. http
44 A330323X : If you're referring to Mike Linenberg's report for Merrill Lynch, he does project a $260 million loss for DL at $100 oil ($579 million at $110 oil),
45 LawnDart : Weren't Delta's "defined benefit" pensions frozen a couple of years ago? They all swapped over to defined contribution. Not a thing...it had everythi
46 Atlas : According to Anderson: Despite the significant momentum we have achieved at Delta, the rapid increase in fuel costs to record highs and the weakening
47 777fan : "Didn't rule out" and "projected" are two totally different perspectives. Given UA's pending fleet contraction due to skyrocketing fuel costs (thank
48 Post contains links 727LOVER : He didn't make it up, its right there...unless you can't read English. http://www.ajc.com/business/content/...3/17/delta0317.html?cxntlid=inform
49 A330323X : You're the one who can't read; I qualified it by saying if he were referring to the Linenberg report. He was apparently referring to the Baker report
50 FlyguyPBI : I agree with some of our MD's going, but don't count the 763's out. We utilize those birds well on the right routes. They go out and come back full.
51 WorldTraveler : The AJC article I cited refers to Jamie Baker at JP Morgan and his estimates of what AA, DL, and US are expected to do. He estimates $1.8B for AA whi
52 MasseyBrown : Man, that Bastian guy can talk fast - I don't mean he is inaccurate, just painfully fast. His "didn't rule out" is based on an expectation that oil w
53 Delta11 : More questions, Why are they hiring F/A's if they are cutting back and again leave it to the pilots. They get no cuts , cant agree and now no merger.
54 RL757PVD : Because the new ones are WAY cheaper than the ones that have been there 50 years! Southwest did the same thing, they bought out their high pay labor.
55 Post contains images GivenRandy : As someone said, the quickest way to become a millionaire is to be a billionaire and buy an airline. WN will probably be in the same boat in 5 years.
56 787KQ : That's why this makes total sense. Management has to manage for a change. Its clear that losses will be racked up in the future with a tanking econom
57 GivenRandy : One thing that we often assume is that business travel pays for the other pax. I wonder if that is really true. I know that if I were to take my perso
58 ChrisNH : There was a point made that DL would cut their schedule with the exception of competitive situations. That means markets already having redundancy wil
59 WorldTraveler : Bastian said they have halted hiring throughout the company. DL already expected fairly high levels of attrition among FAs which was why they were hi
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