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New Skybus Routes: More Florida And A NE Shuttle!  
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8029 times:

http://dispatch.com/live/content/bus...ries/2008/03/17/skybus_routes.html
http://www.theairdb.com/news/2008-03-17-skybus.html

Looks like SX will be adding flights from UST and PGD to CEF, UST to RIC, and PSM to SWF! That's like a NYC-BOS Shuttle!

With CEF getting three new routes, seems like they are on par with PSM as the next quasi-focus city.

Is BWI too big for SX? They fly to FLL, and a PSM-SWF-BWI NE shuttle would be quite interesting!

[Edited 2008-03-17 14:52:11]

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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6439 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Is CEF in Nova Scotia? According to that map.....


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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7996 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
Is CEF in Nova Scotia? According to that map.....

Noticed that too. No CEF is near Springfield, MA. Its where the PSM line goes to.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

Posted here first:

New Skybus Hot Spots (by Panaman Mar 15 2008 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7735 times:

PSM-SWF is a weird route IMO. Leave Boston, drive one hour north, wait for the plane, fly almost an hour, and drive an hour south? Might as well drive the whole three and a half hours. I'm surprised that they aren't adding any other routes out of PSM, at least not yet. It's good to see CEF expanding though.


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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7724 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
That's like a NYC-BOS Shuttle!

No it's a New Hampshire to Orange Co. Shuttle.


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7689 times:



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 5):
No it's a New Hampshire to Orange Co. Shuttle.

New Hampshire to upstate(ish) New York? I find it hard to believe that this would warrant any flights at all, let alone a "shuttle service". As it is, MHT only has a few flights a day to EWR and LGA.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7681 times:



Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 6):

New Hampshire to upstate(ish) New York? I find it hard to believe that this would warrant any flights at all, let alone a "shuttle service". As it is, MHT only has a few flights a day to EWR and LGA.

The shuttle portion of that was my excitement getting the best of me. While I was comparing it to the shuttle ops of other airlines, I'm sure that it won't be more than a couple, maybe three dailies.


User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

The way I am reading the article the PSM-SWF route sounds like one single flight per day, hardly a Shuttle !

LGA777


User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

well, SX is obviously abadoning their original biz model....and it's become blatenly obvious that GSO was a bad choice for a focus city....I think they're realizing that now.....loads have been garbage out of GSO. The CMH-RIC flights consistently had high pax loads from the start. They should scrap GSO, rescend the monetary incentives and start over from PSM.

User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7478 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
UST to RIC,

I'm interested to see if FL or B6 add RIC-JAX. FL already flies RIC-MCO, but doesn't fly anywhere out of JAX but ATL.



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7106 times:

Weren't they supposed to announce routes that were going to be cut to?


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7064 times:



Quoting LGA777 (Reply 8):
The way I am reading the article the PSM-SWF route sounds like one single flight per day, hardly a Shuttle !

Okay well that definitely seems to make a bit more sense...


User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

Quoting Quagmire123 (Reply 9):
The CMH-RIC flights consistently had high pax loads from the start.

I think your talking about a different route.....CMH-RIC has had HORRIBLE loads! Just look at the future prices on Skybus.com. I agree with you though, PSM should be their next focus city...and i think it will, just as soon as they expand the terminal a bit.

[Edited 2008-03-17 20:25:06]

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6750 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 4):
PSM-SWF is a weird route IMO. Leave Boston, drive one hour north, wait for the plane, fly almost an hour, and drive an hour south? Might as well drive the whole three and a half hours.

It's not even competitive with the Peter Pan Bus, where for your $32 walk-up one-way (or $59 round-trip), you get complimentary baggage check AND a complimentary movie en route. And they make the roughly four-hour trip hourly or more often from Boston to NYC.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
Looks like SX will be adding flights from UST and PGD to CEF, UST to RIC

Well, good luck filling planes from Chicopee to Florida at profitable fares in the summer. Those are routes that ought to be added in November.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 8):
The way I am reading the article the PSM-SWF route sounds like one single flight per day, hardly a Shuttle !

Unless your desired travel times coincide exactly with Skybus's AND you get a fare for under $30, you're better off taking the bus to Danbury which has four or five daily options. Or just driving for the $30-40 in gas.


User currently offlineBossan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6682 times:



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 5):
No it's a New Hampshire to Orange Co. Shuttle.

Nonstop flights from New Hampshire to SNA would be fantastic! Unlikely in an overloaded A319, though...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

One step forward (moving more capacity to Florida flying where the business model can work better)...two steps back (starting this flying in the dead of summer when nobody wants to go to Florida; starting a route as idiotic as SWF-PSM).


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User currently offlineOaktowntwinz From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6623 times:



Quoting BA747400 (Reply 13):
CMH-RIC has had HORRIBLE loads! Just look at the future prices on Skybus.com.

Help us out here; what are you basing this on? Skybus just added a second daily RIC-CMH flight. Why do this if the loads are HORRIBLE? Maybe future prices have more to do with oil prices being $110 a barrel rather than loads.


User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6464 times:



Quoting BA747400 (Reply 13):
I think your talking about a different route.....CMH-RIC has had HORRIBLE loads! Just look at the future prices on Skybus.com. I agree with you though, PSM should be their next focus city...and i think it will, just as soon as they expand the terminal a bit.

Um, no....as someone with close ties to SX I know how the loads are to RIC....they are consistantly some of the higher load factors


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6176 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 14):
Well, good luck filling planes from Chicopee to Florida at profitable fares in the summer. Those are routes that ought to be added in November.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
One step forward (moving more capacity to Florida flying where the business model can work better)...two steps back (starting this flying in the dead of summer when nobody wants to go to Florida;

And I said several hours ago on the other thread ( New Skybus Hot Spots (by Panaman Mar 15 2008 in Civil Aviation) ) :

Quote:
"All right! In their infinite wisdom, the SkyBus route planners are adding service to Florida in early August, just in time for Hurricane Season! (Were these flights in place a couple of months ago, or even now -- for Spring Break -- no; but look for them in August, just when everyone really wants to fly to Florida.)
Gosh, maybe they'll start Cancun and the Bahamas then too; as we all know, timing is everything!"

So, instead of adding these new Florida routes in January or February, they were using their a/c to fly their beautiful new "Dead-of-Winter" CMH-MKE service (had to be incredibly popular) and multiple frequencies between CMH and PSM, etc.

I really try to give these guys the benefit of the doubt but boy is it difficult!

bb


User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4903 times:



Quoting Oaktowntwinz (Reply 17):
Help us out here; what are you basing this on? Skybus just added a second daily RIC-CMH flight.



Quoting Quagmire123 (Reply 18):
Um, no....as someone with close ties to SX I know how the loads are to RIC....they are consistantly some of the higher load factors

From the numbers I've personally seen, they're not good....maybe i'm thinking of a different flight; i highly, highly, doubt it, but i'll check it out in the next few days. I dont believe the future prices have anything to do with fuel costs, but as another sign of the low loads. Trust me, i HOPE i'm wrong; i hope every flight is full, but maybe that second flight was already in the works with plans to now pull it in August.

Either way, i'm going to double check.


User currently offlineBWphoto From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Wonder if they considered BED? Large market. Flying out of there on S5 was incredibly easy. Lots of politically connected NIMBYs, though.

User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Is it even realistic to expect Skybus to survive this year?

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4623 times:



Quoting BWphoto (Reply 21):
Wonder if they considered BED? Large market.

They probably did but I doubt that Massport would be willing to offer any sort of incentives for them to begin service there -- which seems to be a common theme with a number of the airports they've selected. I'm not sure the passenger terminal at BED could handle 150 passengers waiting for a Skybus flight.


User currently offlineUsAirways16bwi From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4085 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
Is BWI too big for SX? They fly to FLL, and a PSM-SWF-BWI NE shuttle would be quite interesting

i highly doubt they will come to BWI. It would be unwise because of WN, and FL.


25 MOBflyer : Massport would not allow it, much less incentivize it! BED's max commercial weight, by Massport regulation, was nearly exhausted from Pam Am.
26 Oaktowntwinz : I don't know what numbers you've "personally" seen but what you're saying doesn't make sense. Airlines are dropping unprofitable routes like hot pota
27 BA747400 : That was in response to someone suggesting that the very low future CMH-RIC prices on Skybus.com were directly linked to jet A....which i dont believ
28 Cadet57 : This is awesome for CEF! As a local, I can safely say skybus is doing well here. Many local residents are interested in the service and love the fact
29 Post contains links Oaktowntwinz : Here it is; interesting info on discontinued flights. Skybus adds St. Augustine to RIC service
30 SANFan : Some of the "low-lights": the Niagara Falls service will not start at all while the brand new GYY-GSO and ILG-GSO flights, which started yesterday wi
31 B752OS : I would not exactly call that a shuttle. One of the big draws of the US, AA and DL, B6, CO BOS-JFK/LGA/EWR service is that someone from NYC can make
32 RL757PVD : id think PSM-ILG would probably do better than PSM-SWF, sicen theres alot of people on both ends within a short drive. Itd provide legitimate competit
33 ScottB : Except they're generally not competitive price-wise with WN on comparable routes. The refundable walk-up fare on WN for PHL-RDU is less than the walk
34 Gsoflyer : why is Greensboro a bad choice? I said from the beginning they are running way over capacity on some routes and the Biloxi was silly. Other than that
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