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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1973 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8110 times:

According to Ben's Column Lufthansa is building a "quasi-hub" at JFK in partnership with jetBlue. I wonder what that means?

Here is the link:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7962 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Thread starter):
According to Ben's Column Lufthansa is building a "quasi-hub" at JFK in partnership with jetBlue. I wonder what that means?

Most likely nothing more than a joint-sales marketing agreement that will allow Lufthansa/JetBlue passengers to buy one ticket, rather than two.



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User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2848 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Is LH still part of STAR Alliance? If it is I would be surprised if this didn't conflict with a US carrier in the same alliance. I hope they aren't planning on trying to stick a widebody at the new T5, I don't think that the design plans took that into consideration LOL!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Most likely nothing more than a joint-sales marketing agreement that will allow Lufthansa/JetBlue passengers to buy one ticket, rather than two.

Probably something like Aer Lingus or Cape Air has with B6 already.

This should be interesting nonetheless!



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

Wonder if this means LH will move the EWR only flights (DUS, extra MUC) to JFK now?


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7717 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
Is LH still part of STAR Alliance?

Founder member. No plans to leave. Neither UA nor US have a large presence at JFK. LH has a big operation there. Plus the B6 product is more in-line with LH than US or UA.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
I hope they aren't planning on trying to stick a widebody at the new T5, I don't think that the design plans took that into consideration

I dont think that will happen! LH actually own a substantial share in one of the terminals (T7, I think). I dont think they would be interested in moving. EI could potentially move, if anybody was to move, flights from Ireland will soon be able to use domestic gates as customs & immigration will take place at DUB/SNN.

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 3):
Wonder if this means LH will move the EWR only flights (DUS, extra MUC) to JFK now?

Probably not. I believe these are high O&D routes.

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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7666 times:

There better be a high B6 > LH MCT, given the ATC delays JFK seems to face almost every night..

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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7559 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
I dont think that will happen! LH actually own a substantial share in one of the terminals (T7, I think). I dont think they would be interested in moving. EI could potentially move, if anybody was to move, flights from Ireland will soon be able to use domestic gates as customs & immigration will take place at DUB/SNN.


I think you mean T1



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User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7530 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
I dont think that will happen! LH actually own a substantial share in one of the terminals (T7, I think).

LH is a partner in the organization that built, owns, and operates Terminal 1 (which they also operate out of). BA owns Terminal 7.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7472 times:

With the term "quasi-hub" it sounded to me like maybe LH was going to start JFK-LHR/CDG/BRU/AMS/FCO/ZRH and the like. You know, to do B6's transatlantic flying for them? But I doubt that's likely. Still, if the quasi-hub means just giving passengers the right to book flights on one ticket, then they already have quasi-hubs in other places like BOS, where they connect pax to US's flights or IAD where they connect pax to UA's flights.

On a side note, I'm surprised that neither of B6's TATL deals involve BOS (at least not yet). B6 has a hublet in BOS and there is a large number of TATL carriers. Sure it's not JFK, but it is another option for passengers and LH's good friend AP is coming to town soon. Plus terminals C and E are right next to each other.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21105 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7351 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
I hope they aren't planning on trying to stick a widebody at the new T5, I don't think that the design plans took that into consideration LOL!

They won't be. LH is a part-owner of T1, and T5 doesn't have FIS facilities.

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 3):
Wonder if this means LH will move the EWR only flights (DUS, extra MUC) to JFK now?

Almost certainly not. Serving both EWR and JFK is a necessity if you want to be a major international player in NYC.

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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7344 times:



Quoting NYC2theworld (Reply 7):
BA owns Terminal 7.

as do UA and AC and maybe CX



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21105 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7243 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 10):
as do UA and AC and maybe CX

I don't think any of them own it, they just lease space from BA.

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7016 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 8):
On a side note, I'm surprised that neither of B6's TATL deals involve BOS (at least not yet). B6 has a hublet in BOS and there is a large number of TATL carriers. Sure it's not JFK, but it is another option for passengers and LH's good friend AP is coming to town soon. Plus terminals C and E are right next to each other.

And of course Aer Lingus have decent sized BOS operations. And longer term I wonder if other airports could be included in any deals as well, the likes of IAD and EWR. Obviously the range of destinations would be far less. Would it be worth doing or not?



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User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

It is quite simple. They use Jet Blue as feeder (and distributor) airline for the LH and LX flights to (and from) Europe.

User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

I'm guessing that this will work like Southwest's short-lived marketing agreement with Icelandair at Baltimore. They did market joint fares, but everything else was separate: no through check-in, no interlined bags.

jetBlue's business model does not allow for interlining, lounges, seamless check-in, and so on. To complicate matters, Terminals 1 and 5 are very separate facilities. A passenger travelling from--say--Burlington, Vermont to Frankfurt would have to take the jetBlue flight to JFK/Terminal 5/6, claim his or her bags, board the AirTrain, go to Terminal 1, wait in line to check-in, and re-clear security.

If the same passenger chooses to travel on Continental, he or she could check in once at BTV, fly to Newark, bags would be transferred automatically and no check-in or security at Newark.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6035 times:



Quoting Mats (Reply 14):
jetBlue's business model does not allow for interlining, lounges, seamless check-in, and so on.

They already do interlining/codeshare with Cape Air.



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User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

No kidding? So a passenger can fly from Nantucket to the West Coast via Boston with one stop check-in with jetBlue and Cape Air? I had no idea.

User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5709 times:



Quoting Mats (Reply 14):
jetBlue's business model does not allow for interlining, lounges, seamless check-in, and so on.

That's exactly what B6 and LH probably will talk about. If they want to intensify their cooperation they have to solve this problem. Especially the interlining.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5246 times:
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Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
Is LH still part of STAR Alliance? If it is I would be surprised if this didn't conflict with a US carrier in the same alliance. I hope they aren't planning on trying to stick a widebody at the new T5, I don't think that the design plans took that into consideration LOL

While JB operstes only small planes today, who on their right mind would design a terminal at JFK today without the ability to handle wide-body planes ? JB may go to Europe, seems more likely with LH involved. T5 would be a lousy real estate asset for JB at JFK if it wasn't able to adapt to the future. If JB were to go out of business this terminal would be worth it sight in gold, being New York. JFK is an international airport, aside from JB.


User currently offlineB707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

I expect an old style interline agreement with some perks between B6 and LH. B6 would be a tremendous feeder for them at JFK, especially now that JFK is easy to get around with the AirTran. Add the new B6 terminal and it's a win-win.

User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

JetBlue set aside massive room for an International wing, Please remember they still own T6 as well they are not done expanding in JFK.

T1 is a hectic place already with no room to expand hence the reason Lufthansa moved Swiss out of the Terminal back to T4. KLM still has not operated out of T1 and more and more T1 is starting to look like it will end up a SKYTEAM terminal with a few more international airlines there with a future link from T1 to T2 and T3 for Delta connections.

Star Alliance will take over T6 and T7 and come out one of the most effective terminals in all of JFK, because you will not have to leave the building to transfer to a domestic connection.

All OneWorld airlines will move to T7-T8-T9. Which we already see happening.

The only true asset JetBlue has is this terminal and Lufthansa has made a wise decision investing in this company.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

there is no way that LH will leave T1 as they build (or already did that) a Senator and First Class lounge there on three levels.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3035 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4181 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
T5 would be a lousy real estate asset for JB at JFK if it wasn't able to adapt to the future.

What is going up now is only phase one. The design for the next phase has not been finalized, but it will resemble a concourse shaped like a hockey stick extending westward over the terminal 6 location. It will have FIS.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

So what makes this a "quasi-hub" versus any other connecting point like BOS or IAD? AFAIK JFK only has one more flight than either city. The DUS flight goes to EWR, unless they move it to JFK. I've known about the cooperation for a while. But they make it sound like LH has big plans for JFK.


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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

I think all it means is use of lounges, interlining bags, one ticket for the trip and maybe some expanded flights by LH timed with B6 flights. The they'll probably launch some ads together and put ads in cities like Portland Maine or Jacksonville Florida advertising connecting service to Frankfurt, etc.

And Terminal 5 isn't done and they left room to add another concourse, FIS capabilties, widebody gates, etc down the line. But for this phase of the Terminal all they need is the 26 domestic gates to expand what they have now.

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