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Allegiant January 2008 Load Factor / IWA  
User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Allegiant's load factor continues to remain above 80% in the IWA (Phoenix Mesa Gateway Airport) market. The January 2008 numbers for Allegiant in/out of Phoenix Mesa Gateway Airport were:

Enplanements 12,528
Deplanements 14,835
Total PAX 27,363

January Load Factor 81%

Source: January / February 2008 Staff Reports - PhxMesa Gateway Airport

Now if Virgin America or someone else is looking for a new destination and does not want the long lines of PHX, why not try IWA.

Cheers,
BP1


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
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I'm actually kind of surprised other airlines haven't tried IWA, like Skybus. Does Vision Air still fly between North Las Vegas and IWA?

User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Hi Wedgetail737,

I could not agree with you more on other airlines trying the airport. Although Vision was serving IWA on a scheduled basis, I believe they are down to charters only. However, Allegiant is the first carrier to actually serve IWA and make a 5 year commitment in doing so. The airport is looking at balancing the growth in the "terminal" already in place (a remodeled old Air Force building from WWII) up to a certain number of passengers. Once the airport reaches a certain number, I think it is 3 Million passengers a year, the airport will be building a completely new terminal on the East side of the field. Anyway, good news all around coming out of IWA and it is about time too, a lot of talented people with diverse aviation backgrounds are working hard at increasing traffic, attracting new carriers and managing growth, not to mention keeping four town governments and one Indian tribe happy at the same time.

To The Future,
BP1
Tim Spahr



"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

As I just tried to book tickets on Vision Air yesterday for this route, they have temporarily suspended scheduled ops as they are finishing thier FAA certification to a straight scheduled airline instead of the scheduled charter flights that they were operating. The res agent told me they are expecting to be back to their schedule as of 3/28, which I found interesting since I still couldn't book the following weekend with them to Vegas. The res agent mentioned that Vision Ari was expecting FAA certification to be completed here very shortly, and they were planning on a variety of new routes she said, but was not allowed to go into further. On that note, here in Prescott, they were flying their D328 in/out quite a bit back around the new year and was exploring the option of adding service here. Don't know how far along their talks with airport management went, but I did find other articles regarding Vision Air and routes they hoped to start after their FAA certification, some being the EAS routes they bid on but lost to Great Lakes out of MCE/VIS.

On that note, I wish the FAA/DOT had some type of penalty program in place regarding air carriers bidding for routes to receive govt funds and then not following through on parts of the bid which might have been the very reason that DOT awarded the air carrier the contract. Not just EAS contracts though where funds are awarded, but other routes such as international flights requiring govt approval where airlines bid against one another, then are awarded route authority, and then allow the route to sit dormant and not flown because I think they really wanted to fight off the competition instead of actually increasing their market share. I'm just learning that this is actually why AA lost their additional route authority into Colombia and I'm glad the DOT reallocated those frequencies to another airline to increase competition for the better of each flying pax. Back to Great Lakes, lately all we've heard about was all of their EAS routes now in Montana which are going unserved, and yes, it's hitting the press so much more because the previous carrier has completely shut down, but remember, there are so many other communities still waiting for Great Lakes to fulfill their EAS contract before the airline even bid for the Big Sky routes, thinking of ELY/MCE/VIS, come to mind right off the bat. Don't believe for a second that the airline doesn't have or can't find the aircraft to fly the routes, what they really mean to say is that they can't find leases on planes at the rate they want to pay, but the planes are out there, Great Lakes needs to get it in gear, supply/demand, all the airlines wanting out of the 19 seat market have the planes, Great Lakes wants them, but terms on leasing the a/c can't be negotiated because Great Lakes doesn't want to pay that much. They should have thought about that before they went out and bid no every EAS route in the entire country within a years timeframe, and I think to kick them into gear, DOT should fine them for every month that service isn't provided to fulfill an EAS contract, there's an option, what's worse, higher lease rates on the B1900 they have found or the penalties that they face from DOT for not getting those planes and getting them in the air. I know and do realize that a big part of this is finding crews to fly each a/c, but come on now, Great Lakes has been flying for how long, didn't they realize this when again, they went out and bid on every EAS route in the entire country, Doesn't make sense and I wish now that maybe Vision Air might have received some of those EAS routes out west that they had bid against Great Lakes for.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
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Other than startups, do they pursue legacies for additional coverage to IWA as an O&D market? I always thought it would be a good WN port to SLC, LAX, and SAN, and maybe a couple more. Skybus would be a perfect fit too.

Since Allegient has started, have there been any community complaints about increased traffic around the airport or noise?



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2581 times:



Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 4):
Since Allegient has started, have there been any community complaints about increased traffic around the airport or noise?

I cannot say for certain but I doubt there are too many complaints about the increased activity at Williams Gateway. The community was more upset about the name change than anything else IMO.

The whole area was very isolated when I was down there in November. Not a whole lot out near the near the Gateway airport right now, but I suspect that will change in the next five to ten years.

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Here's to continue success for Allegiant at Williams Gateway!



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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

The noise complaints for IWA are:

(December 2007) January 2008
NOISE COMPLAINT CALLS: (11) 8
AIRCRAFT OPS: (22,006) 24,758
MD-83 (2) 2
F-18 (1) 1
707 (0) 1
737 (1) 1
UNKNOWN TYPE: (7) 3

Probably all from the same person.

Regards,
BP1

Source - Same as above



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2518 times:
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Well, I hope Vision Air does something. However, if they become a straight scheduled airline, I think they should move their operations to LAS so they can better connect to other airlines...maybe arrange a codeshare or partnership with others. Just my opinion, though.

Is Vision Air going to retain their Do-228's?

Also, best of luck to G4. It looks like they're on the right track to making IWA successful. I hope IWA doesn't fall victim to rising gas prices.


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Wedgetail737 - From what I know or have looked into, looks like the Do228 will be doing most of the Grand Canyon flying and charters from Vegas back and forth. From there, I think the Do328 props will be back on the Vegas runs to Williams and Carlsbad and other routes that I guess they've been looking at and are waiting for certification to announce and start up. I had found articles that Vision Air was interested and placed a large bond on slots at LGB, but I believe that was back when they were bidding for the MCE/VIS essential air service contract and I even thought it was a weird bid and route request being that Vision Air has made a home for themselves at VGT. I know quite a while ago Vision Air also had flown up and did some research into offering service once again into MMH, offering winter time flights and packages for skiers wanting to fly rather then drive into the Mammoth Mtn/Lakes area for some winter time fun. Think that fell through, and then my opinion, I had hoped that if Vision Air was that serious about flying into MMH and offering those flights, and the Do328 prop being a great a/c for the route, then I was hoping that maybe they'd look into TVL and possibly return commercial airline service to the South Lake Tahoe area. Combination of either of those airports with high altitude vs. strict noise abatement, well I thought Vision Air might have the perfect remedy if they offered service with their Do328 prop, but nothing yet.

Sidenote, I also know that Horizon looked into TVL service because they have the unique opportunity of offering Q400 service, but that got lost somewhere in the mix, and I only found that media release when looking more in depth into Horizon recently being announced that they are interested in serving the LAX-FLG-PRC-LAX and LAX-FLG-LAX routes here in the near future. Here in Prescott, there is a council meeting today at 3pm to bid and hopefully approve a city grant for Horizon to initiate the service, and I also know that FLG just also did the same to allocate the funds to prepare for the service if it all works out. One flight nonstop r/t to FLG, and a second flight offering additional PRC service on only one leg of the roundtrip, so essentially, a round robin routing.

Back to Vision Air again though, lastly, I think the Do328 jets are flying casino charters. One aircraft is flying a track program out of IAH to I think it was Ruidoso, NM, for and Iron something Casino, I forgot the name, but can be easily found doing a google search or even through flightaware looking into flight operations out of Ruidoso I think. Other Do328 jets have been doing some casino charter work out of Tunica lately and that covers their fleet.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:
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Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 8):
Sidenote, I also know that Horizon looked into TVL service because they have the unique opportunity of offering Q400 service, but that got lost somewhere in the mix, and I only found that media release when looking more in depth into Horizon recently being announced that they are interested in serving the LAX-FLG-PRC-LAX and LAX-FLG-LAX routes here in the near future.

I am actually surprised at the thought of Horizon flying to PRC and FLG, but that would be cool. The Q400's are slowly flying closer to that region with new service between STS and LAS. TVL would be an excellent destination for Horizon, but that airport is very political, especially with the environmentalists.

I still would like to see more Horizon Air throughout CA, like SCK, MOD, BFL, but I think the gate space at LAX is running at premium right now.


User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 8):
Back to Vision Air again though, lastly, I think the Do328 jets are flying casino charters.

Quite so, I see Do328 jets (and props, but not as often) coming in and out of MRY somewhat often. Used to see G4 MD-80s also come into MRY running what I assume to be casino charters to Minden/Tahoe, but I haven't seen one of those birds in months. Back to Vision, my guess is that their charter operations and Grand Canyon flying make them the bulk of their money right now, because I can't see the demand from CLD, especially when YX just pulled their Dash 8 to PHX out of their. However, I would like to see Vision do well, if for no other reason then to get a ride on a Do328 jet before they are gone.

[Edited 2008-03-18 21:28:20]


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2284 times:
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Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 10):
especially when YX just pulled their Dash 8 to PHX out of their

YX=Midwest Airlines. I think you mean YV=Mesa.

I still believe that if Vision Air wishes to do scheduled feeder service throughout the southwest, then they should initiate/move that operation to LAS to better connect to mainline carriers. More power to them.

I know this conversation kind of turned from G4 to Vision Air and Horizon Air. But other than gas prices, I kind of wondered why G4 hasn't started flying between LAS and MRY.


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Back on the Allegiant thoughts, I was surprised slightly by their announcement to offer new service LAS-SBA. And when I heard that press release, more surprising was that they were actually preparing to announce BFL-LAS and last minute changes moved the new route to SBA. SBA has nonstop service already to LAS, albeit offered by Mesa Airlines operating as US Airways Express and currently the route is flown with a CRj200 as a night flight and then an additional noon rotation most often during the summer months, but, if SBA was already being offered by another airline, Allegiant should have gotten creative I think. How about OXR and then still catch the Santa Barbara traffic not more then 30/45 mintues away, but also, catch into the San Fernando Valley which is just over 30 minutes away in addition to the entire Ventura County population.

Here's one for you all though and I've always wondered about, how about Allegiant offering new service into CCR? Wedgetail737, you got me thinking when you mentioned MRY, and I thought more about the catchment area of the bay area, and Allegiant has done well so far in SCK, but how about a little closer and opening up CCR. Thinking back to when PSA offered service nonstop to LAX and I haven't seen flights since that time and have always wondered why. Okay, wait one minute, I just became smarter then you'd think and checked over on flightaware at the airport diagram and realized they only have a 5000 foot runway, how did PSA fly into there? Has something happened since and they've actually shortened a runway?

Something also never thought about and noticing the conversation on this post so far, here's a new one, Vision Air moving a couple of their planes from VGT to LAS and offering commuter service as Allegiant Express, hahaha, there's a new one. Allegiant's model is to offer service on otherwise unserved routes with minimal frequencies a week, and notice how Vision Air offered the same to Williams and Carlsbad with flights originally offered on FRI/SUN and then WED service was added thereafter. It would also then offer a connection between the focus cities that Allegiant has in Las Vegas and Williams, hhmmmpppph, oh the possibilities.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2247 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
I know this conversation kind of turned from G4 to Vision Air and Horizon Air. But other than gas prices, I kind of wondered why G4 hasn't started flying between LAS and MRY.

Patience, its been looked at by Allegiant's HQ.

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 12):
Allegiant has done well so far in SCK, but how about a little closer and opening up CCR. Thinking back to when PSA offered service nonstop to LAX and I haven't seen flights since that time and have always wondered why. Okay, wait one minute, I just became smarter then you'd think and checked over on flightaware at the airport diagram and realized they only have a 5000 foot runway, how did PSA fly into there? Has something happened since and they've actually shortened a runway?

PSA (and later US) operated CCR using the 146.



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

FATFlyer, thanks for the reply, I figured it had to be the Bae146, but I still didn't think it could operate off a 5000 foot runway with an appropriate load, but then again, that's what United Express always flew on their LAX-STS route before switching it to the EM2.

FATFlyer - completely different topic and maybe you can just contact me via email instead of using this post, any information or advancements with the EAS in MCE/VIS and Great Lakes taking over the route from Air MIdwest? Reason I'm asking is that with you being from that area, the Fresno Bee seems to be the only one really with any press on the topic, and as of just recently, I can't seem to pull up topics from their site without it asking for a subscription or charging me $2.95 per hit, so, I thought you would have the info/answers. Thanks


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

I think we will be seeing some announcements from Allegiant this week or next about other routes. I expect they have been number crunching to see what makes sense. That's why BFL got put off. But route flexibility is how Allegiant stays profitable.

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 14):
FATFlyer - completely different topic and maybe you can just contact me via email instead of using this post, any information or advancements with the EAS in MCE/VIS and Great Lakes taking over the route from Air MIdwest?

I'll just quickly add it here, if you want more you can email me or start another thread so we don't hijack this. One of the TV stations said Great Lakes starts the Merced route May 1. I assume Visalia is about the same time. But I haven't seen any or any place to book that yet.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2193 times:
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Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 14):
that's what United Express always flew on their LAX-STS route before switching it to the EM2.

STS also had a short-lived airline called Westates that used Convair 580's to RNO and LAX back in 1980's.

PSA's flights from CCR to LAX were always full. The typically had to do high-performance take-offs from CCR.


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